The Impeachment Thread

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Weezer said:
I think Rudy might be the key. I'm not sure how he can hide behind attorney/client privilege as Trump's lawyer while he was also apparently acting as an agent for the government in the Ukraine. That definitely creates a conflict of interest that merits further investigation IMO.

And partisanship swings both ways. If someone testified to Trump giving the order, you're right that the GOP and Trump supporters would likely smear them. At the same time, if an exonerating witness came forward, the Dems and never Trumpers would smear them. It goes both ways.
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Have any come forward that the Dems have smeared?
 
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Septic said:
How do you reconcile that Hillary Clinton had the guts to face congress for 11 hours while Trump and his minions hide like a bunch of sissys? Heh, she may have been crooked, but she wasn't a punk b*tch like Trump.

I'm genuinely curios on how you handle that dissonance intellectually.
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Great question. I would like for anyone to answer it other than Hogg.
 
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Septic said:
Have any come forward that the Dems have smeared?
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Do you actually doubt they would if one came forward? Both sides use the same tactics, then try to justify it while demonizing the other side. Anyone paying attention has seen the cycle ad nauseam, so not sure why you would deny it.
 
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Weezer said:
Do you actually doubt they would if one came forward? Both sides use the same tactics, then try to justify it while demonizing the other side. Anyone paying attention has seen the cycle ad nauseam, so not sure why you would deny it.
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Likley, but exactly zero have come forward which is telling. Trump can't get one guy... One lowly staffer to get up there and fall on the sword. They're all fleeing like rats off a sinking ship.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You hate Trump. There is nothing anybody could have said that would give you reasonable doubt.
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That’s not true, and is pretty moronic. I know what beyond a reasonable doubt looks like. I deal with gradations of proof all the time and I am perfectly capable of forming a detached opinion about a case, regardless of what I think should happen. Otherwise, how would I advise and defend criminals that I know are guilty?

The reason I “hate Trump,” and the inherent fallacy this as a dumbass argument for every single who doesn’t kiss his ass, is because of Trump. It’s not because I was born hating Trump or really even gave two ***** about him before he turned into a dog **** politician with no identifiable principles and an unsustainable political model.

I didn’t think he should have been removed over collusion in the Mueller investigation, even though I suspect he probably was guilty. “Probably was” isn’t enough. There was reasonable doubt. Just because I spent half my time scolding morons who don’t know the difference between “no proof” and “insufficient proof,” just like most of you can’t tell the difference between news and opinion, doesn’t mean I was sold on impeachment.

I didn’t think he should be removed over obstruction in the mueller investigation. The proof was there but even though I thought it was worse than what Clinton (who I also wanted removed) did, I made posts at the time saying I didn’t think it warranted removal.

I haven’t thought he should be removed over any of the other things he’s done, either, for essentially the same reason. Maybe cumulatively there’s a case to be made but the man has so many infractions that it’s honestly hard to keep track of them all.

Most of the disagreements I have with people on here is over your moronic attempts to defend against even the most insignificant criticisms, when they’re clearly valid. Like you’re doing now.

Here, you guys are trying to cobble together soundbites into a defense, but the evidence about what happened hasn’t even been seriously contested. It all circumstantially points the finger at Donald Trump.

I’ve witnessed several trials where far less proof than what’s been put on already was enough to reach a conviction.

So yeah, I don’t think it’s me that’s running on pure bias. Literally the only people that think this is going well are the hardcore trumpophiles. Every form of moderate and center right media has this scored, at best, 49-46 heading into the 6th with Volker being the only round where Trump may have won.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't see how it gets this far down the tracks without them knowing they've got the votes.
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In the house? Of course. They could’ve voted before any of these charades and had the votes. I’m guessing their “strategy” is one witch hunt after another hoping something will finally stick or come to light. Regardless they’ve came to far now to not vote on it in the house and if they impeach him based on what they have now they’ll be left with egg on their face.
 
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Septic said:
Likley, but exactly zero have come forward which is telling. Trump can't get one guy... One lowly staffer to get up there and fall on the sword. They're all fleeing like rats off a sinking ship.
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He's not a likeable guy. He's an arrogant dick head that only got elected because he ran against Hillary. But he did get elected, which caused the left to lose their ****. JMO, but I think both sides have acted inappropriately since the 2016 election.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
This Impeachment is based on rumors and presumptions and innuendo. Not gonna work...
It's as plain as the nose on your ugly face Dims......time for plan 6....maybe that will work?
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The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
 
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Weezer said:
He's not a likeable guy. He's an arrogant dick head that only got elected because he ran against Hillary. But he did get elected, which caused the left to lose their ****. JMO, but I think both sides have acted inappropriately since the 2016 election.
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No disagreements there.
 
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luthervol said:
The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
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LOL...........that's just so funny and not true. Time to try again.......and go.
 
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luthervol said:
The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
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The only problem is nobody has said that and there’s no evidence saying that’s the case.
 
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luthervol said:
The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
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Sweet, now you just need one of these star witnesses of your boy Schiff to say there was a quid pro quo or bribery
 
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luthervol said:
The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
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He's trolling, no rational person believes that it was anything but a horrible day for Trump.

"No one was able to shake [Sondland] of his central thesis -- and that was that everybody involved in this... was aware of the fact that the aid was being held up and now they know why," Napolitano said, mentioning former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Vice President Mike Pence and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as among those who were informed about the situation.
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