The Impeachment Thread

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utvols88 said:
What's the point of delaying post vote? Seems like the only reasons are malicious.
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To use it as leverage to get a “fair” trial. Have seen pundits suggesting this for a while, didn’t think it would happen but it makes some sense:

As impeachment gets older it grows stale and loses popular support. As it loses support, it becomes harder to whip the vote to pass it.

Now she’s had the vote, it passed, she’s the only one who takes heat for doing this and her district will probably appreciate what she’s doing so no risk to her.

It sort of allows her to have the cake and eat it, too.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
To use it as leverage to get a “fair” trial. Have seen pundits suggesting this for a while, didn’t think it would happen but it makes some sense:

As impeachment gets older it grows stale and loses popular support. As it loses support, it becomes harder to whip the vote to pass it.

Now she’s had the vote, it passed, she’s the only one who takes heat for doing this and her district will probably appreciate what she’s doing so no risk to her.

It sort of allows her to have the cake and eat it, too.
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Probably poll tested well.
 
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utvols88 said:
What's the point of delaying post vote? Seems like the only reasons are malicious.
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IMO, if it was all about politics, then let McConnell just toss it like we are living in Dictator America. I think that would hurt the Republican party. I really just think she wants the witnesses (as do most Americans) and let the chips fall as they may. If she holds it like McConnell did the Supreme court nominee-- you'd think it would hurt the Democrats,. (or maybe it would work out like it did for the Republicans in 2016.)
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I only bring up Obama and Clinton because they are your peeps.

Obama admin on fast and furious= fought subpoenas
Obama admin on IRS targeting= complied with subpoenas but plead the 5th
Obama admin on Solyndra= fought subpoenas
Clinton on emails and devices= Ig report says items and emails were destroyed.

Were they hiding something?
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Do you think they were hiding something? I do.

So I guess you're making my point.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
To use it as leverage to get a “fair” trial. Have seen pundits suggesting this for a while, didn’t think it would happen but it makes some sense:

As impeachment gets older it grows stale and loses popular support. As it loses support, it becomes harder to whip the vote to pass it.

Now she’s had the vote, it passed, she’s the only one who takes heat for doing this and her district will probably appreciate what she’s doing so no risk to her.

It sort of allows her to have the cake and eat it, too.
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But the senate can just shrug their shoulders and Republicans can spin as a "See they dont have a case which is why they don't forward it for judgement".

The longer its held the more it looks like a partisan gimmick and they dont really believe he can be impeached. Thatll be the message and it seems like, as predicted, a lose lose situation for Democrats.

They should have censured Trump. Not tried to impeach.
 
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JCP201 said:
IMO, if it was all about politics, then let McConnell just toss it like we are living in Dictator America. I think that would hurt the Republican party. I really just think she wants the witnesses (as do most Americans) and let the chips fall as they may. If she holds it like McConnell did the Supreme court nominee-- you'd think it would hurt the Democrats,. (or maybe it would work out like it did for the Republicans in 2016.)
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If the house wanted the witnesses, go to court. They didnt. I honestly dont see a losing side for Republicans with this impeachment.

Personally I would have liked to hear from all of them including the whistleblower. But in the childish realm called US politics, you cant act one way and expect to be treated the other way. Doesnt happen, wont happen.

The reason I think a censure would have been better is because it would have given the democrats the win win and the Republicans the lose lose situation. Now ots flipped. That's jmo from an independent voter point of view. Obviously I don't speak for all independents as we are all annoyingly different.
 
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utvols88 said:
But the senate can just shrug their shoulders and Republicans can spin as a "See they dont have a case which is why they don't forward it for judgement".

The longer its held the more it looks like a partisan gimmick and they dont really believe he can be impeached. Thatll be the message and it seems like, as predicted, a lose lose situation for Democrats.

They should have censured Trump. Not tried to impeach.
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Lol, you seem to be trying to convince yourself. Pelosi, despite her political lean - has been one step ahead. She's playing the trumpers like a fiddle.
 
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So to recap....
House Dems wanted witnesses
WH denied claiming executive privilege
Those subpoenas are waiting for judicial
Dems make up rules for inquiry
Present clearly one-sided “evidence”
Vote to impeach
Hold sending to trial
Want to wait for judicial to rule on witnesses
Worried GOP (not 4 dem pres candidates) fair

Missing anything?
 
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Vladimir Putin says Trump was impeached for 'made-up reasons' - CNNPolitics

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his annual news conference Thursday that US President Donald Trump's impeachment was based on "made-up reasons," and expressed doubts that Trump will be removed from power.
"Regarding the continuation of our dialogue till the end of Trump's presidency, you make it sound as if it's already coming to an end," Putin said answering a question about whether Russia has a strategy for continuing the dialogue with the US until the end of Trump's presidency.
"I actually really doubt that it is ending, it still has to go through Senate where as far as I know the Republicans hold the majority so it's unlikely they will want to remove the representative of their party for some made-up reasons."
 
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Septic said:
Lol, you seem to be trying to convince yourself. Pelosi, despite her political lean - has been one step ahead. She's playing the trumpers like a fiddle.
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Not really. The vote was down party line and the only ones to defect were two Democrats. I may be wrong on the number, only saw it briefly.

The trumpers are irrelevant. They wont be convinced no matter what just like the Democrats. It comes down to moderates and independents. I just dont see a situation where the Democrats get a leg up. Hold it and they have no confidence that it's legit, put it through and its killed. Should have censured and Democrats wouldnt have the appearance of overreaching.
 
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newyorkvol said:
So to recap....
House Dems wanted witnesses
WH denied claiming executive privilege
Those subpoenas are waiting for judicial
Dems make up rules for inquiry
Present clearly one-sided “evidence”
Vote to impeach
Hold sending to trial
Want to wait for judicial to rule on witnesses
Worried GOP (not 4 dem pres candidates) fair

Missing anything?
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would the ruling for those witnesses even matter? the vote is in. Inquiry is finalized. Otherwise, it's an unjust thing to vote on and then adding on AFTER the vote. Not sure the senate should be forced to pick up on that gap.
 
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newyorkvol said:
So to recap....
House Dems wanted witnesses
WH denied claiming executive privilege
Those subpoenas are waiting for judicial
Dems make up rules for inquiry
Present clearly one-sided “evidence”
Vote to impeach
Hold sending to trial
Want to wait for judicial to rule on witnesses
Worried GOP (not 4 dem pres candidates) fair

Missing anything?
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The math checks out on "WH denied (witnesses) claiming executive privilege" and " (Dems) presenting clearly one-sided “evidence”.

Congratulations on the impeachment Whitehouse. Boohooing about no first hand witnesses, while denying the testimony of the first hand witnesses was genius. The result of this, no one could have seen this coming.
 
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utvols88 said:
Not really. The vote was down party line and the only ones to defect were two Democrats. I may be wrong on the number, only saw it briefly.

The trumpers are irrelevant. They wont be convinced no matter what just like the Democrats. It comes down to moderates and independents. I just dont see a situation where the Democrats get a leg up. Hold it and they have no confidence that it's legit, put it through and its killed. Should have censured and Democrats wouldnt have the appearance of overreaching.
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What would censuring accomplish?
 
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Septic said:
Lol, you seem to be trying to convince yourself. Pelosi, despite her political lean - has been one step ahead. She's playing the trumpers like a fiddle.
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Also, Septic, painting pelosi or Schiff or anyone over there as some mastermind is a little silly given the russian collusion nonsense. I wouldn't get my hopes up on that one.
 
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utvols88 said:
But the senate can just shrug their shoulders and Republicans can spin as a "See they dont have a case which is why they don't forward it for judgement".

The longer its held the more it looks like a partisan gimmick and they dont really believe he can be impeached. Thatll be the message and it seems like, as predicted, a lose lose situation for Democrats.

They should have censured Trump. Not tried to impeach.
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I don’t agree. I don’t see a ton of ground being made up by anybody who complains about partisanship when you’ve got McConnel and Graham going on national television promising to rig the trial. It takes two to tango on the partisan thing, and everybody I know who isn’t paying attention to this just assumes both sides are stupid and partisan. Everybody who is paying attention has made up their minds.

I think she’d be smarter to just send it over and let them do a sham trial and vote to dismiss, if they can do it, and then campaign on that, but maybe she feels like she can gain something by taking the side that they need to call witnesses since that is apparently a popular opinion.
 
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utvols88 said:
would the ruling for those witnesses even matter? the vote is in. Inquiry is finalized. Otherwise, it's an unjust thing to vote on and then adding on AFTER the vote. Not sure the senate should be forced to pick up on that gap.
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It's actually their duty to conduct oversight into the matter. I guess they have a committee already on it.
 
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utvols88 said:
Not really. The vote was down party line and the only ones to defect were two Democrats. I may be wrong on the number, only saw it briefly.

The trumpers are irrelevant. They wont be convinced no matter what just like the Democrats. It comes down to moderates and independents. I just dont see a situation where the Democrats get a leg up. Hold it and they have no confidence that it's legit, put it through and its killed. Should have censured and Democrats wouldnt have the appearance of overreaching.
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Censure? C'mon man... Your comments make me believe you're either naive or new to politics. The two Dems that defected did so simply to preserve their meal ticket jobs, not because they were principled.
 
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Mick said:
What would censuring accomplish?
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A better chance at both sides agreeing they didnt like how it appeared or went down.

Dems avoid being accused of overreaching and blood thirsty about impeaching from the beginning.
Dems can still propagate about disagreeing with him on method, stick to biden being a conspiracy theory, etc.
It would probably have been bipartisan too.

Just to name a few
 
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Septic said:
Censure? C'mon man... Your comments make me believe you're either naive or new to politics. The two Dems that defected did so simply to preserve their meal ticket jobs, not because they principled.
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That's every single member that voted. Let's stop acting like no one in there isnt viewing this through a tunnel.
 
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