The Impeachment Thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
We all know that Trump will not be removed from office. However, I'm glad to see that a stand has been taken by Democrats in the House against what Trump tried to do. I think Trump held up military aid to the Ukraine so he could hold it over Zelensky's head until he announced that he was opening an investigation into the Biden's on CNN. I don't think that Trump would have asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens if Joe wasn't running for President. This was strictly about Trump wanting to damage Joe Biden politically. That type of conduct should not be tolerated. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings or with overthrowing a President or reversing the results from the 2016 election. This has to do with an abuse of power.
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I disagree.

1. it's a worthy investigation
2. its not unreasonable to ask.

you WANT it to be "abuse of power" but the best argument you have is conjecture. This is an attempt to effect the 2020 election. That's it. I think thisll back fire. it already has.
 
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Coug said:
Doug Collins is a screeching, histrionic, drama queen.

We're gonna learn more about Ukraine. We're gonna learn the defenses the republicans mounted in the House are all BS. Everything with Trump is a fecal iceberg, you only see the really sticky part on the top, there is a lot more underneath the water still.

-Rick Wilson
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This has been this guy’s narrative since 2016.

He’s a partisan hack.
 
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utvols88 said:
I disagree.

1. it's a worthy investigation
2. its not unreasonable to ask.

you WANT it to be "abuse of power" but the best argument you have is conjecture. This is an attempt to effect the 2020 election. That's it. I think thisll back fire. it already has.
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1. there is absolutely no predicate to investigate except for the right wing accusations.
2. It is unreasonable to ask a foreign country to investigate our citizens. FULL STOP.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Like I just said, military aid was released AFTER Donald Trump became aware of what was being alleged in the whistleblower complaint. He absolutely had to release it then. You can't give him any credit for that.

I believe the evidence shows a quid-pro-quo and Gordon Sondland testified that it was his understanding that a quid-pro-quo was being made by the Trump administration.
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Again Sondland said that was his perception. Not one of your “star” witnesses said they had any evidence. Did you watch at all after your bug eyed hero ran to the corrupt media’s cameras?
 
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volinsd said:
If you say so spymaster Luther. Ill keep over here being a moron who believes in individual freedom AND rule of law. You stay over there justifying breaking the law and taking away freedoms of american people like an idiot.

Thats fair, no?
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Who justified breaking the law?
I have repeatedly said by any legal means available.
I have repeatedly said if someone commits a crime; charge them, try them, convict them, and punish them.
The chasm between what you guys believe to be true and what is factually true is breathtaking.

So us standing on different sides of that chasm is more than fair, yes.
 
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Mick said:
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1. there is absolutely no predicate to investigate except for the right wing accusations.
2. It is unreasonable to ask a foreign country to investigate our citizens. FULL STOP.
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Ironic you use that gif given your willingness to misrepresent the investigation.

1a. Biden ADMITTED HE WITHHELD UNTIL THE PROSECUTOR WAS FIRED. We have actual video and audio of it. Don't even have to use conjecture.
1b. Its wholly rich you would say " there is absolutely no predicate to investigate except for the right wing accusations" given the Mueller investigation, given this inquiry, etc. and your constant "We got him now!" attitude.
2. The investigation period was while he was a VP, that's not a citizen.
3a. Democrats literally just spent 2+ years on a fake report that did just that with the support of illegitimate FISA warrants and suddenly it's an issue with you?
3b. Assuming the investigation is the antithesis of the Mueller investigation and is actually legit and nonpartisan, it's a valid investigation. Could it result in nothing? Sure. But a genuine review is valid.

You can't spend all this time pounding the table on conjecture, then turn a blind eye when it's admitted and be taken serious. 🥴

Try again.
 
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utvols88 said:
Ironic you use that gif given your willingness to misrepresent the investigation.

1a. Biden ADMITTED HE WITHHELD UNTIL THE PROSECUTOR WAS FIRED. We have actual video and audio of it. Don't even have to use conjecture.
1b. Its wholly rich you would say " there is absolutely no predicate to investigate except for the right wing accusations" given the Mueller investigation, given this inquiry, etc. and your constant "We got him now!" attitude.
2. The investigation period was while he was a VP, that's not a citizen.
3a. Democrats literally just spent 2+ years on a fake report that did just that with the support of illegitimate FISA warrants and suddenly it's an issue with you?
3b. Assuming the investigation is the antithesis of the Mueller investigation and is actually legit and nonpartisan, it's a valid investigation. Could it result in nothing? Sure. But a genuine review is valid.

You can't spend all this time pounding the table on conjecture, then turn a blind eye when it's admitted and be taken serious. 🥴

Try again.
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These talking points and logical fallacies were debunked months ago.
 
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utvols88 said:
Ironic you use that gif given your willingness to misrepresent the investigation.

1a. Biden ADMITTED HE WITHHELD UNTIL THE PROSECUTOR WAS FIRED. We have actual video and audio of it. Don't even have to use conjecture.
1b. Its wholly rich you would say " there is absolutely no predicate to investigate except for the right wing accusations" given the Mueller investigation, given this inquiry, etc. and your constant "We got him now!" attitude.
2. The investigation period was while he was a VP, that's not a citizen.
3a. Democrats literally just spent 2+ years on a fake report that did just that with the support of illegitimate FISA warrants and suddenly it's an issue with you?
3b. Assuming the investigation is the antithesis of the Mueller investigation and is actually legit and nonpartisan, it's a valid investigation. Could it result in nothing? Sure. But a genuine review is valid.

You can't spend all this time pounding the table on conjecture, then turn a blind eye when it's admitted and be taken serious. 🥴

Try again.
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What's sad is you believe this. You see Biden said what he said on tv several years ago. It wasn't an issue then but it is now. What changed? Oh, he announced he was running for President. You far right yahoos, being the ultimate partisans, didn't even mention it until Trump got caught abusing his office for personal political gain.
 
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Mick said:
What's sad is you believe this. You see Biden said what he said on tv several years ago. It wasn't an issue then but it is now. What changed? Oh, he announced he was running for President. You far right yahoos, being the ultimate partisans, didn't even mention it until Trump got caught abusing his office for personal political gain.
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I never saw it until recently. Are you calling me far right? lol. that's lazy.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Correct. Against the party, meaning he’s not a partisan hack.
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You haven’t been paying attention.

There’s an entire group of “Republicans” who have decided “Never Trump” regardless of what results he has as President.

These are the same experts and pundits who acted like Mitt Romney and John McCain were the answer.

No matter what you dislike about the man it’s extremely hard to ignore his results. The country is moving in the right direction no matter what the talking heads say.
 
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Mick said:
What's sad is you believe this. You see Biden said what he said on tv several years ago. It wasn't an issue then but it is now. What changed? Oh, he announced he was running for President. You far right yahoos, being the ultimate partisans, didn't even mention it until Trump got caught abusing his office for personal political gain.
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Your boy barry was president, you think he was going to start an investigation in to his on VP?
 
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