The Impeachment Thread

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luthervol said:
That seems to be the predominate opinion.
I qualified that it was only appropriate for that once in 300 year catastrophic anomaly.
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You don't get to choose the anomaly, so who triggers this process? The mob? This rationalization of letting a law enforcement bureaucratic agency interfere with the executive office as an insurance policy is pathetic and shows a lack of any understanding.
 
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volinbham said:
Curious if you care at all about the FISA abuses and more politically; how people like Schiff have been shown to have completely misrepresented what he knew to be true about it. His version of events is 180 from what Horowitz revealed.

I don't give Trump a pass; I simply don't think it's impeachable and a censure would have been appropriate but the actions of Schiff and company are also problematic along with Comey, McCabe and others. We know that they all knew (including Mueller) that the Russian collusion thing didn't hold water yet they persisted. Where's the condemnation of "this type of conduct should not be tolerated"?
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This thread is about Donny... but the FISA abuses are a problem. I know the IG report said that there was no evidence of a politically motivated bias of the origin of the Russia probe and that it was legitimate. It does sound like the FBI has some serious internal issues and needs some house cleaning. The FBI should not be political and it didn't use to be. Mark Felt (aka Deep Throat) was 2nd in command at the FBI and a Nixon appointee. He was a Republican. He did as much as anyone to expose the Watergate burglary for what it was, not because of politics but because he knew what was going on and he knew about the cover-up and wanted to stop it. That is what the FBI used to be about but apparently no longer is.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This thread is about Donny... but the FISA abuses are a problem. I know the IG report said that there was no evidence of a politically motivated bias of the origin of the Russia probe and that it was legitimate. It does sound like the FBI has some serious internal issues and needs some house cleaning. The FBI should not be political and it didn't use to be. Mark Felt (aka Deep Throat) was 2nd in command at the FBI and a Nixon appointee. He was a Republican. He did as much as anyone to expose the Watergate burglary for what it was, not because of politics but because he knew what was going on and he knew about the cover-up and wanted to stop it. That is what the FBI used to be about but apparently no longer is.
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completely ignored the Schiff stuff but I understand
 
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volinbham said:
Can you honestly say that what we've seen to date from Schiff's version of Russia! and the Ukraine deal is not just an exercise in partisan chicanery?

I said way back when Volprof was losing his mind that we'll find out that both parties are playing fast and loose here. Given all that's come out it amazes me that we still have people buying all of Team Blue or Team Red. It's been bad actors across the board.
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Who cares about teams? That's what you guys keep getting wrong.
It's not team red. It's team Trump.
This NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED with any of the other 16.
That's a critical point.
 
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luthervol said:
Kind of like dropping a nuclear bomb.
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You mean setting off a nuclear bomb only happened once in the last 300 years ? I wonder what the ratios are for the FBI doing this kinda of stuff vs the nuclear bombs we’ve set off .
 
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luthervol said:
Who cares about teams? That what you guys keep getting wrong.
It's not team red. It's team Trump.
This NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED with any of the other 16.
That's a critical point.
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It’s not the right that keeps talking about all the republicans being the same . Lol
 
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Orangeburst said:
You don't get to choose the anomaly, so who triggers this process? The mob? This rationalization of letting a law enforcement bureaucratic agency interfere with the executive office as an insurance policy is pathetic and shows a lack of any understanding.
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As I said all along, critical mass....which amazingly and sadly we have yet to reach.
 
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volfanjustin said:
By the lefts definition of abuse of power every president going forward can and should be impeached, are you prepared for the precedent you all have set? No aid was withheld it was delayed, there is a difference. Those same dems/socialists that said an impeachment should be bi partisan? They are hacks that have sold their souls to the far radical unhinged base like you, Luther, mick i.e. the squad types
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Trump didn't release the $391 million in military aid until after he became aware of the "whistleblower's" complaint and what was being alleged in that complaint. You can't give Trump credit for releasing the military aid after he knew that it could cause him serious political trouble if he didn't.

There is an abuse of power whenever a President uses foreign policy; not to assist the country at large and our allies, but to assist himself personally. That is what Trump did. He leveraged foreign aid to the Ukrainian President against his willingness to assist with Trump's re-election. Trump would not have asked Zelensky to announce an investigation into the Biden's, if Joe Biden wasn't running for President. That was strictly political and it was meant to damage Joe Biden.
 
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luthervol said:
As I said all along, critical mass....which amazingly and sadly we have yet to reach.
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If you haven’t reached it with everything the left has tried by now , unless something huge breaks that we didn’t see coming , you aren’t going to hit it before the election .
 
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luthervol said:
Who cares about teams? That's what you guys keep getting wrong.
It's not team red. It's team Trump.
This NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED with any of the other 16.
That's a critical point.
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Yes it would have, you all called Bush a war criminal. Called Bush, McCain and Romney racist, sexist, Hitler etc. You all are sore losers and can’t handle the most qualified person to ever run losing. Your all’s biggest problem with Trump is he fights back, he isn’t a little bitch that takes the nasty attacks from the unhinged radical socialists
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump didn't release the $391 million in military aid until after he became aware of the "whistleblower's" complaint and what was being alleged in that complaint. You can't give Trump credit for releasing the military aid after he knew that it could cause him serious political trouble if he didn't.

There is an abuse of power whenever a President uses foreign policy; not to assist the country at large and our allies, but to assist himself personally. That is what Trump did. He leveraged foreign aid to the Ukrainian President against his willingness to assist with Trump's re-election. Trump would not have asked Zelensky to announce an investigation into the Biden's, if Joe Biden wasn't running for President. That was strictly political and it was meant to damage Joe Biden.
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Wrong wrong wrong.
Aid was released
More than your socialist hero barry
No investigation was started into the Biden crime family
game over
No quid pro quo
No bribery

And certainly none of these other fake made up charges your loony hero’s have made up
 
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0nelilreb said:
If you haven’t reached it with everything the left has tried by now , unless something huge breaks that we didn’t see coming , you aren’t going to hit it before the election .
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I agree. Sadly disappointing and disheartening.
America failed to correct its mistake. The impeachment will help from a historical perspective. 2020 will be the next chapter.
 
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luthervol said:
Who cares about teams? That what you guys keep getting wrong.
It's not team red. It's team Trump.
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Yep,
we'd still be in the Paris Accord
The Iran Deal,
Have Biden's kid supporting his crack habit off Ukraine,
and oblivious to the absolute corruption of pay per play of the previous admin.
Wouldn't have the greatest economy in history,
lowerst African American Unemployment,
lowest Hispanic unemployment,
highest female employment rate in history,
greatly reduced border crossing of illegals, with the wall being built...
180 new conservative judges on the bench, 9th circuit remade,
near daily record highs of the stock market,
be giving the FU to the UN and Europe in general,
lower taxes,
desperately needed regulation elimination,
and so much more.

One day you'll realize these are the exact reason's he was elected. I'm guessing that'll come around after his mandate re-election, but i doubt you'll ever get it.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Wrong wrong wrong.
Aid was released
More than your socialist hero barry
No investigation was started into the Biden crime family
game over
No quid pro quo
No bribery

And certainly none of these other fake made up charges your loony hero’s have made up
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Aid was released only after Trump knew he was busted. Pretty significant point.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Wrong wrong wrong.
Aid was released
More than your socialist hero barry
No investigation was started into the Biden crime family
game over
No quid pro quo
No bribery

And certainly none of these other fake made up charges your loony hero’s have made up
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Like I just said, military aid was released AFTER Donald Trump became aware of what was being alleged in the whistleblower complaint. He absolutely had to release it then. You can't give him any credit for that.

I believe the evidence shows a quid-pro-quo and Gordon Sondland testified that it was his understanding that a quid-pro-quo was being made by the Trump administration.
 
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