The gap between UT and Bama.....

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malinoisvol said:
1970 anything. We suffered thru 11 straight losses to the Bear.
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Exactly. I remember in '82 my co-workers said, "We'll never beat the the Bear" and i said nonsense we'll get 'im this year. And we did. I was there.

Edit: Yes, it's true I said that every year. But Majors had started getting some recruiting hauls and confidence was building.
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. We have nowhere near “similar talent” as to what OleMiss had when they beat Alabama in back to back years. Not even close.
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So ... if our roster is close to averaging 4-stars now, what exactly do you think Ole Miss had then?
 
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Nationdom said:
Yes the talent gap is large but all it takes is the right gameplan and fearless coach. Hugh Freeze beat Saban in back to back and he did it with similar talent to what we have.
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Not quite. Freeze had purchased Ole Miss a pretty good group of players.
 
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volmandu said:
GAST probably had same or lesser chance of beating Tennessee (despite the points spread). If they can pull it off, we can too. Unlikely : Yes but crazier things have happened. If few breaks our way & few bad plays from them also if Brain Maurer finds Johnny Manziel somewhere inside him ..who knows ..
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I fear BM will throw 4 or more INTs.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Its been since 2015 that Tennessee had a legit shot at beating Bama. Before that you have to go back to Kiffin and the Mount Cody game. And while it's been well over a decade since we last beat them, the gulf between the two teams in terms of talent and potential has widened to the biggest I think I have ever seen it. When Tennessee has a statistically insignificant chance of winning the matchup, you wonder why even risk your starters getting hurt?

That's not the question I wanted to ask though. I became a Vols fan when I moved to Tennessee in 1990. To the older Vols fans, was there ever a time prior to this current post-Fulmer stretch where it was completely hopeless and futile to consider Tennessee winning against Bama?
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In the 35 years I've been a fan, no it's never been this bad. It's been a streaky series but it's never been this consistently lopsided.
 
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Nationdom said:
Yes the talent gap is large but all it takes is the right gameplan and fearless coach. Hugh Freeze beat Saban in back to back and he did it with similar talent to what we have.
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Lmao, Freeze cheated like hell to get the best class in the Nation at ole miss. He had top talent when he beat them, and he subsequently paid the price later.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Its been since 2015 that Tennessee had a legit shot at beating Bama. Before that you have to go back to Kiffin and the Mount Cody game. And while it's been well over a decade since we last beat them, the gulf between the two teams in terms of talent and potential has widened to the biggest I think I have ever seen it. When Tennessee has a statistically insignificant chance of winning the matchup, you wonder why even risk your starters getting hurt?

That's not the question I wanted to ask though. I became a Vols fan when I moved to Tennessee in 1990. To the older Vols fans, was there ever a time prior to this current post-Fulmer stretch where it was completely hopeless and futile to consider Tennessee winning against Bama?
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I think they should sit all the starters because they are obviously the only really important players on the team-the rest don't matter. If they "get hurt", who cares. Better yet, the team should not even go. Everyone stay in Knoxville, stay healthy and save a TON of money for the football program. They could use that money to recruit more "starters".
 
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Yes there is a talent gap.. Also a mental gap. Even the fans seem scared. I'd say get nasty, get physical, and make the refs show you just how bought they are. Throw caution to the wind and leave it out there. You're a 35 point dog anyway. People say don't poke the bear, i say stab him.. You have to out Bama Bama. Of course i really don't recognize this version of them. A lot more finesse now than years past. They're ripe for the picking for a team that can line up with them.. They're going to get beat by someone this year. They're giving up a lot of points, pressure Tua and things can get interesting.
 
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Cartervol said:
Yes there is a talent gap.. Also a mental gap. Even the fans seem scared. I'd say get nasty, get physical, and make the refs show you just how bought they are. Throw caution to the wind and leave it out there. You're a 35 point dog anyway. People say don't poke the bear, i say stab him.. You have to out Bama Bama. Of course i really don't recognize this version of them. A lot more finesse now than years past. They're ripe for the picking for a team that can line up with them.. They're going to get beat by someone this year. They're giving up a lot of points, pressure Tua and things can get interesting.
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Sounds like you've been listening to ATM's strategy last Saturday in College Station.
 
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BanditVol said:
Per ESPN FPI, we have a 2.6% chance of winning. That's roughly one in forty. Insignicant? Yes, but it's about like hitting a one-outer on the river in Texas Hold Em, which does happen. ;)
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Stanford was a 41 pt dog to USC in 2007 and beat them 24-23! USC had a 35 game home winning streak snapped.

We have a shot!
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
When was the last time we actually had depth? The Fulmer era? Seems to be a consistent problem.
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Worse now than I can ever remember it being at an SEC program recently. 67 scholarship players? 😂 That’s like more than a quarter of a team being gone.
 
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Nationdom said:
Yes the talent gap is large but all it takes is the right gameplan and fearless coach. Hugh Freeze beat Saban in back to back and he did it with similar talent to what we have.
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Ole Miss had much better talent than we did. How they landed that talent is what landed them in hot water.
 
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BanditVol said:
Per ESPN FPI, we have a 2.6% chance of winning. That's roughly one in forty. Insignicant? Yes, but it's about like hitting a one-outer on the river in Texas Hold Em, which does happen. ;)
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I'm into math, not necessarily sports betting, but yeah I thought about a 3% chance. Given that it is a big rivalry game, you might give it a bump to maybe 5%. There is a lot to overcome, but with unusual numbers of turnovers, etc. at the right time, it is not hopeless. We would probably have to come from 2 scores down, and surprise them before they have time to recover, or a similar type scenario.
 
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i2amavol said:
I'm into math, not necessarily sports betting, but yeah I thought about a 3% chance. Given that it is a big rivalry game, you might give it a bump to maybe 5%. There is a lot to overcome, but with unusual numbers of turnovers, etc. at the right time, it is not hopeless. We would probably have to come from 2 scores down, and surprise them before they have time to recover, or a similar type scenario.
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OK, what would be the odds of winning ... or us losing within 10 pts of them?
 
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MWAVolfan said:
...was there ever a time prior to this current post-Fulmer stretch where it was completely hopeless and futile to consider Tennessee winning against Bama?
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I don't remember one in my lifetime, outside this recent stretch.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Sounds like you've been listening to ATM's strategy last Saturday in College Station.
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Maybe. It's the way i'd approach it. I mean you can always lay back in coverage, get your popcorn, and watch the show. You give them a free release on the line and you're already beat.
 
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GAVol said:
The entire series has been one streak after another for 40 years. I barely remember the tail end of Alabama's 11 game steak that ended in 1982 which was a extremely improbable win.
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The Third Saturday in October is actually highly overrated as a rivalry, IMO. Throughout history (not just the last decade) Tennessee and Alabama have rarely been good at the same time. The games might be close and competitive, but they rarely have meant much on a national stage. Look at the Wiki page of the rivalry and see how many times the game has been played with both teams ranked. It ain't much.

Third Saturday in October - Wikipedia
 
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