The Final Score is Different Without the Weather Delay

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

@VolsLady-in-FL

It is all about money.

Let's talk your example, drunk driving accident that kills someone. Most people only get the minimum liability policy limits their state requires. NC is $35,000 and SC is $25,000. So a person injured or killed by a drunk driver is only going to get that much.

You have someone who gets injured or killed by a lightening strike, gets injured from a stampede by people because of fast approaching weather that was not reported in time by the stadium, you have million dollar policies in place to sue each the NCAA, bank of America stadium, etc.

While you may think it is stupid, companies have to take the steps to prevent something that they can in order to not have to pay $$$$.

Lets separate the arguments and discuss just the lightning issue. Why are you against the rule, you stated it was "stupid". I'm not against you on the selling alcohol issue but I want to go back to your original post about the lightning.

 

[illinoisvolfan1]

How would the lack of a weather delay have changed the fact that our entire team is slow, the OL still can't hold a block more than 2 seconds, the entirety of the defense can't seem to wrap up a tackle, and our DBs still play with 10 yard cushions and never look back for the ball?

That pretty much summed up what I saw as well.

 

[VolsLady-in-FL]

You have a mustache?
Then I pass

How do I reply to this? Do I act like a dude that wants attention and say: "I'm actually a quite attractive female ",

Or do I say "I'm actually honestly a girl but don't want the attention " and then pretend to be the other. Hmmmmm

 

[VolsLady-in-FL]

@VolsLady-in-FL

It is all about money.

Let's talk your example, drunk driving accident that kills someone. Most people only get the minimum liability policy limits their state requires. NC is $35,000 and SC is $25,000. So a person injured or killed by a drunk driver is only going to get that much.

You have someone who gets injured or killed by a lightening strike, gets injured from a stampede by people because of fast approaching weather that was not reported in time by the stadium, you have million dollar policies in place to sue each the NCAA, bank of America stadium, etc.

While you may think it is stupid, companies have to take the steps to prevent something that they can in order to not have to pay $$$$.

This is incredibly well thought out. Thank you.

 

[GVF]

If LSU continues to dominate Miami, UT will have the distinction of being the ONLY SEC team to lose their season opener.

 

[VolsLady-in-FL]

Lets separate the arguments and discuss just the lightning issue. Why are you against the rule, you stated it was "stupid". I'm not against you on the selling alcohol issue but I want to go back to your original post about the lightning.

I just don't see it as a threat to probability issue. When the odds are that low, it seems like wasted resources that would have been better spent on something more probable.

I wouldn't say I'm against the rule. I'd just say I don't agree with it and think it's unnecessary. Because it's so unlikely to happen.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I just don't see it as a threat to probability issue. When the odds are that low, it seems like wasted resources that would have been better spent on something more probable.

I wouldn't say I'm against the rule. I'd just say I don't agree with it and think it's unnecessary. Because it's so unlikely to happen.

Well at least you changed your opinion from "a stupid rule" to " I wouldn't say I'm against the rule".

 

[VolsLady-in-FL]

Well at least you changed your opinion from "a stupid rule" to " I wouldn't say I'm against the rule".

Like I've said before, I'm open to other views if a compelling reason is presented to me. It wasn't at first but I'll admit I can change my view when people give me a valid reason to. I still don't think it's a necessary rule, but I won't say 'stupid'. Takes a (Wo[man]) to do that sometimes.

 

[AshG]

Pruitts "adjustments" sucked.

Either you replied after the first paragraph, or you have the reading comprehension skills of my wife's kindergarten class.

 

[photovol]

How do I reply to this? Do I act like a dude that wants attention and say: "I'm actually a quite attractive female ",

Or do I say "I'm actually honestly a girl but don't want the attention " and then pretend to be the other. Hmmmmm

I'm just having a little fun with you, no disrespect
All in fun

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Something tells me you don’t want those pictures...

Don’t be ugly, let the two of them debate it out, it will come out in the the wash.

 

[AshG]

I'm open to other views if a compelling reason is presented to me. It wasn't at first but I'll admit I can change my view when people give me a valid reason to

I'll take that as a challenge.

Lightning could kill dozens at a sports venue: the importance of prevention

Scott Rudlosky, physical scientist at NOAA, explained during the lightning safety workshop that severe thunderstorms tend to produce bigger and more powerful lightning flashes. He also explained that isolated, severe thunderstorms tend to produce the dangerous side flashes that can send lightning over 10 miles outside of the parent thunderstorm. Those lightning flashes are particularly dangerous for sports venues because they occur outside of the storm’s rain shaft. ​

Lightning & Sports Safety: When Thunder Roars Go Indoors

The NWS reported that 17% of lightning deaths between 2006 and 2013 occurred during outdoor sports or recreational activities. These sports include soccer, golf, running, baseball, and football, in rank order. The greatest number of fatalities occurred in the 10 to 19-year-old and 20 to 29-year-old age groups. Many victims were either headed to safety or just steps away from safety at the time of a fatal lightning strike. ​

NCAA Football and Cloud-to-Ground Lightning: A Probability Analysis

Initial lightning strikes within a 6-mile radius of the stadium resulted in a higher probability of potential disaster than did initial strikes between 6-15 miles. Additionally, no statistically significant differences occurred either temporally or spatially, justifying the same set of rules for the entire study domain; more lightning strikes occurring within an area did not necessarily equate to a greater risk of delays or potential disaster. Future research may look to expand upon the area of the domain used in this study and attempt to justify temporal and spatial divides in other regions. Across the domain of this research, it is important to note that the risk associated with playing football games during the last week of August is much higher than any other week in the season. This is mainly due to the numerous pulse thunderstorms that occur across the area in late summer. Most of these thunderstorms are short-lived but can still produce frequent cloud-to-ground lightning ​

Is College Football's Lightning Policy Too Restrictive? No

WCNC Charlotte Meteorologist Brad Panovich (@WxBrad), one of the most admired and followed meteorologists in the nation, argues that professional sports leagues like the National Football League and Major League Baseball should emulate the NCAA. ​

This is just five minutes worth of looking. I'll be more than glad to include peer-reviewed journal published research if you so desire. I'll save you the time, though: it says the same thing.

 

[JOHN ROCKER]

I'll take that as a challenge.

Lightning could kill dozens at a sports venue: the importance of prevention

Scott Rudlosky, physical scientist at NOAA, explained during the lightning safety workshop that severe thunderstorms tend to produce bigger and more powerful lightning flashes. He also explained that isolated, severe thunderstorms tend to produce the dangerous side flashes that can send lightning over 10 miles outside of the parent thunderstorm. Those lightning flashes are particularly dangerous for sports venues because they occur outside of the storm’s rain shaft. ​

Lightning & Sports Safety: When Thunder Roars Go Indoors

The NWS reported that 17% of lightning deaths between 2006 and 2013 occurred during outdoor sports or recreational activities. These sports include soccer, golf, running, baseball, and football, in rank order. The greatest number of fatalities occurred in the 10 to 19-year-old and 20 to 29-year-old age groups. Many victims were either headed to safety or just steps away from safety at the time of a fatal lightning strike. ​

NCAA Football and Cloud-to-Ground Lightning: A Probability Analysis

Initial lightning strikes within a 6-mile radius of the stadium resulted in a higher probability of potential disaster than did initial strikes between 6-15 miles. Additionally, no statistically significant differences occurred either temporally or spatially, justifying the same set of rules for the entire study domain; more lightning strikes occurring within an area did not necessarily equate to a greater risk of delays or potential disaster. Future research may look to expand upon the area of the domain used in this study and attempt to justify temporal and spatial divides in other regions. Across the domain of this research, it is important to note that the risk associated with playing football games during the last week of August is much higher than any other week in the season. This is mainly due to the numerous pulse thunderstorms that occur across the area in late summer. Most of these thunderstorms are short-lived but can still produce frequent cloud-to-ground lightning ​

Is College Football's Lightning Policy Too Restrictive? No

WCNC Charlotte Meteorologist Brad Panovich (@WxBrad), one of the most admired and followed meteorologists in the nation, argues that professional sports leagues like the National Football League and Major League Baseball should emulate the NCAA. ​

This is just five minutes worth of looking. I'll be more than glad to include peer-reviewed journal published research if you so desire. I'll save you the time, though: it says the same thing.

Looks like this argument is finally over.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I'll take that as a challenge.

Lightning could kill dozens at a sports venue: the importance of prevention

Scott Rudlosky, physical scientist at NOAA, explained during the lightning safety workshop that severe thunderstorms tend to produce bigger and more powerful lightning flashes. He also explained that isolated, severe thunderstorms tend to produce the dangerous side flashes that can send lightning over 10 miles outside of the parent thunderstorm. Those lightning flashes are particularly dangerous for sports venues because they occur outside of the storm’s rain shaft. ​

Lightning & Sports Safety: When Thunder Roars Go Indoors

The NWS reported that 17% of lightning deaths between 2006 and 2013 occurred during outdoor sports or recreational activities. These sports include soccer, golf, running, baseball, and football, in rank order. The greatest number of fatalities occurred in the 10 to 19-year-old and 20 to 29-year-old age groups. Many victims were either headed to safety or just steps away from safety at the time of a fatal lightning strike. ​

NCAA Football and Cloud-to-Ground Lightning: A Probability Analysis

Initial lightning strikes within a 6-mile radius of the stadium resulted in a higher probability of potential disaster than did initial strikes between 6-15 miles. Additionally, no statistically significant differences occurred either temporally or spatially, justifying the same set of rules for the entire study domain; more lightning strikes occurring within an area did not necessarily equate to a greater risk of delays or potential disaster. Future research may look to expand upon the area of the domain used in this study and attempt to justify temporal and spatial divides in other regions. Across the domain of this research, it is important to note that the risk associated with playing football games during the last week of August is much higher than any other week in the season. This is mainly due to the numerous pulse thunderstorms that occur across the area in late summer. Most of these thunderstorms are short-lived but can still produce frequent cloud-to-ground lightning ​

Is College Football's Lightning Policy Too Restrictive? No

WCNC Charlotte Meteorologist Brad Panovich (@WxBrad), one of the most admired and followed meteorologists in the nation, argues that professional sports leagues like the National Football League and Major League Baseball should emulate the NCAA. ​

This is just five minutes worth of looking. I'll be more than glad to include peer-reviewed journal published research if you so desire. I'll save you the time, though: it says the same thing.

Excellent post.

 

[AshG]

If we sell alcohol at a game, for a few hours, and expect everyone to have a 'safe driver's ready, that's an unrealistic expectation. There will be the drunk person who drives home safely. There very well might be the person who drives home $hit faced and gets in a car wreck.
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So if we ban football during a thunderstorm then why do we allow the serving of alcohol at a sporting event?

It's me again! Only this time with far fewer links.

Allowing the sale of alcohol at stadiums is actually a risk mitigation factor. By taking control of the distribution, the athletic department is able to put safeguards in place to deter people from becoming overly-inebriated. I used to be a server trainer and bar back in my younger days, here's how I remember it going down:

1. Anyone who will serve alcohol will be required to attend and satisfactorily complete the ServSafe Alcohol Service training before taking a single shift. This certification must be kept on file with the employer.
2. Those selling alcohol will be limited to selling two drinks at a time per person during athletic events, no more. ID will be required regardless of age.
3. If the employee even suspects alcohol will be provided to a minor or already inebriated person, they are required to inform their kiosk manager and deny service to the customer.
4. Alcohol sales will end promptly at the beginning of the third quarter.

This will most likely come with an uptick in the enforcement of rules against flasks, airline bottles, and fake binoculars. Expect to see people go absolutely nuts over the beer for the first couple games but the adaptation period should last less than a season.

Is the university/sports venue keeping people safe by serving alcohol during the game?

Yes. You can hit up your favorite search engine to find where controlled sales of alcohol by sporting venues actually results in lower incidents of drunk or impaired driving and vehicular deaths. It's a good policy, and one that's overdue.

 

[thehill98]

I just don't see it as a threat to probability issue. When the odds are that low, it seems like wasted resources that would have been better spent on something more probable.

I wouldn't say I'm against the rule. I'd just say I don't agree with it and think it's unnecessary. Because it's so unlikely to happen.

I understand the point you are trying to make, however please consider the number of people in cars versus the number of people out in the open during a storm with lightning.

If you want a better comparison, talk to a farmer who raises livestock, if they have been farming for a while, I will bet they’ve had some livestock get killed by lightning or from something falling on them because of getting struck. It’s very common because the animals are in some confinement yet, are out in the open. I think it might change your opinion somewhat.

 

[livefaith]

Nope. The score would have been 112-7 without the rain delayed. I'm certain of it.

 

[Rooster1]

EXACTLY!! Tennessee had the WV D worn down at the half; (And shoulda had the lead) and the Delay afforded them the opportunity to rest up. Anyone can see that had an impact. (well most anyone)

Anyone?

 

[Rooster1]

The delay did help WVU, in two ways. For one, it allowed their defense to rest as they were gassed by the end of the half because of our long drive and we were starting to control the line. For two, it gave their offense more time to plan. The offense can make more plays and more adjustments in a delay than a defense can because really the offenses philosophy directs the game. The defense must prepare or adjust to stop the offense. I think they reworked their gameplan, worked on some different plays, and rested. We were probably adjusting and game planning on what we had already seen and were going to continue doing what had worked. When they came out and were more aggressive, they scored twice before we could blink and took every bit of the momentum out of our team. Those were big12 refs, and i really think they did it on purpose.

Nope. That’s not true. They were ACC refs. You just make stuff up ?

 

[jonnon111]

We could have close the score gap to 12 if we score on that drive that ended on the 1 or 2 yd line. And if they weren't throwing with 2 minutes left up by 19. I know I know, not WV job to not score, but cmon man. Their last TD was to run up the score and Griers numbers.

 

[MWAVolfan]

I'm not saying we would've won, but it feels like our offense had momentum and Grier had missed some throws.

I think we would've put up atleast another TD and WV wouldn't have gotten their last one. (Less time of possession for WV)

Overall though WV looked good. I think their offense is gonna be top 5 in the country.

WV made adjustments. We didnt. End of game.

 

[GetEmVols]

Tennessee should have had the lead at the jalf, cause they didnt score enough points.

Or defense rested during the hour break, just like theirs.

WV whipped out tail after the break, just like they did before the break. We came out of the gate unprepared, they did not.

Simply but, they are good and we are not.

Our defense didn’t need the rest though. We had the ball 21 minutes or so in the first half. Their team needed the rest as ours didn’t. That’s the difference.

 

[GetEmVols]

WV made adjustments. We didnt. End of game.

We made adjustments but you can’t out scheme speed. Our guys were clearly slower. Don’t let me stop you from your agenda against a first year head coach though.

 

[peaygolf]

I just don't see it as a threat to probability issue. When the odds are that low, it seems like wasted resources that would have been better spent on something more probable.

I wouldn't say I'm against the rule. I'd just say I don't agree with it and think it's unnecessary. Because it's so unlikely to happen.

If you have ever seen the aftermath of a direct lighting strike to a person.....you would 100% change your opinion. I promise.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Our defense didn’t need the rest though. We had the ball 21 minutes or so in the first half. Their team needed the rest as ours didn’t. That’s the difference.

Yep. A lot of em on here are having a difficult time grasping that concept. Evidently know nothing about FATIGUE; Physical---that is.