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ClearwaterVol said:
King was a fantastic author. He fizzled out in the 90s. My daughter read Chaucer 2 years ago and understood precisely what was being said. Perhaps you hang with some stupid kids.
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I did indeed. Most of them supported Jimmy Carter in 76 and 80
 
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Do parents have a fundamental right to object to curricula in a public school setting?

Forget the topic. Can be any topic (e.g., The Earth is flat).
 
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Gandalf said:
Who then pass something like the "Parental Rights in Education" bill. So all good, right?
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They did. The way to combat it is to repeal it in the future. I never argued that this bill was unconstitutional. I argued it was unneeded, dangerous, poorly written and created unnecessary litigation with its fee shifting provision.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
They did. The way to combat it is to repeal it in the future. I never argued that this bill was unconstitutional. I argued it was unneeded, dangerous, poorly written and created unnecessary litigation with its fee shifting provision.
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Well, that is why we have the political process, to settle such disagreements. I can say the same about Obamacare (though I think its unconstitutional as well) but political process is there to remedy it.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It was the defense theory of the case. I know you don't believe that bigotry exists. You're still claiming that the 3 hillbillies in Atlanta weren't racist.
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No I said that They were redneck morons and that arbury would’nt have gotten shot if he hadn’t grabbed their gun.

But one of Matthew shepherd’s had sex with him previously. It was over drugs and robbery. Educate yourself on the details
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
His parents hate each other and him just like yours?

Perhaps, don't worry little Johnny his parents are degenerate sinners who will rot in hell for all eternity.
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No teachers don’t need to discuss whose parents are doing what and their relationship
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No I said that They were redneck morons and that arbury would’nt have gotten shot if he hadn’t grabbed their gun.

But one of Matthew shepherd’s had sex with him previously. It was over drugs and robbery. Educate yourself on the details
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The details are murky and challenged in that case. However, what I said was presented to the jury. Yours? Not so much.

And you defended those hillbillies for pages and pages including whether they were racist. I called you a racist prick throughout.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Do parents have a fundamental right to object to curricula in a public school setting?

Forget the topic. Can be any topic (e.g., The Earth is flat).
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Parents have a RIGHT to object to anything. That is what free speech means. I think the real question you mean to ask is, to what degree is a school system required to make allowances or changes based on said objections. One possible dividing point MIGHT be factual vs judgmental calls. It is a provable/disprovable fact regarding the shape of the earth. Whether or not sexual behaviors are or are not sinful is a question that parents can disagree on in good faith but that cannot be proven or disproven in any conversational sense. Schools have to be very careful in telling a child that their religion is right or wrong. I guess a fascinating trial case would be what happens if a child is a member of a family that adheres to a belief that the earth is flat as a matter of indisputable dogma. I honestly don’t know how to acts that one.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Same sex marriages are liberal dumassery?
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According to 6,000 years of recorded human history, yes.
It is only in the last 10 to 15 years that society has adopted the extremely arrogant view that all of the accumulated wisdom and thought on this topic is suddenly wrong. Prudence demands careful and cautious steps when possibly throwing out and invalidating a bedrock cultural assumption. Sometimes it does need to be done, but just like operating on a patient, you better be darn careful. you can indeed remove a tumor with a chainsaw, but a scalpel in the hands of a careful surgeon gives better results. I never understood the haste with which people demanded the conferring of a title of “marriage” on something that was already legal and accepted as a civil Union. It quickly went from a request for tolerance to a demand of societal acceptance.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Parents have a RIGHT to object to anything. That is what free speech means. I think the real question you mean to ask is, to what degree is a school system required to make allowances or changes based on said objections. One possible dividing point MIGHT be factual vs judgmental calls. It is a provable/disprovable fact regarding the shape of the earth. Whether or not sexual behaviors are or are not sinful is a question that parents can disagree on in good faith but that cannot be proven or disproven in any conversational sense. Schools have to be very careful in telling a child that their religion is right or wrong. I guess a fascinating trial case would be what happens if a child is a member of a family that adheres to a belief that the earth is flat as a matter of indisputable dogma. I honestly don’t know how to acts that one.
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That would all sound good but it depends on what was previously considered common sense and factual - like having 2 genders. The point of the whole exercise, however, has been to eliminate the concept of objective facts so that our overlords could piss down our throats any swill that keeps them in control while the public laps it up greedily. The entire concept of a nuclear family, much less of it having the PRIMARY say in what its children are to be indoctrinated with, is a stumbling block to "progress".
 
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utvolpj said:
You don't mean unrepentant you mean the ones denied the get out of hell free card called marriage
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If you think marriage is a “get out of hell free card”, you appear to have even less knowledge of Christianity than I do of rap music 😉. Hell is quite well populated with heterosexual married persons I assure you. Humanity is infected with original sin (pride and wanting to take Gods place, not sex as many claim) and we all are afflicted by it and doomed to hell. There is no humanly provided title or certificate that can absolve is of that. That was the reason Luther (not Volnation Luther) scoffed at the practice of indulgences from the Pope.
There is only one ticket out and that is faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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Gandalf said:
That would all sound good but it depends on what was previously considered common sense and factual - like having 2 genders. The point of the whole exercise, however, has been to eliminate the concept of objective facts so that our overlords could piss down our throats any swill that keeps them in control while the public laps it up greedily. The entire concept of a nuclear family, much less of it having the PRIMARY say in what its children are to be indoctrinated with, is a stumbling block to "progress".
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Well said. Of course they never see the inherent logical trap in which they dwell. They clearly see their position that there are no objective facts as an objective fact. It is the fatal flaw in all relativism and postmodernism. How can you claim that there is no truth while simultaneously claiming that everyone disagreeing with you is “false”?
I always loved the fact that the literary deconstructionists who claim that you can derive no true knowledge of an authors meaning from the reading of a text primarily made their arguments through the process of………………………(wait for it)……………..writing books 😂😂😂
 
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I would get my daughter moved out of someone's class if they were speaking to her about her sexuality at any age. Why would I want some 23 year-old who barely graduated from college with no life experience teaching my child about sexuality? Teach some math and reading and keep it in your pants. I know it's so difficult for people these days to not make everything they touch about them.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
According to 6,000 years of recorded human history, yes.
It is only in the last 10 to 15 years that society has adopted the extremely arrogant view that all of the accumulated wisdom and thought on this topic is suddenly wrong. Prudence demands careful and cautious steps when possibly throwing out and invalidating a bedrock cultural assumption. Sometimes it does need to be done, but just like operating on a patient, you better be darn careful. you can indeed remove a tumor with a chainsaw, but a scalpel in the hands of a careful surgeon gives better results. I never understood the haste with which people demanded the conferring of a title of “marriage” on something that was already legal and accepted as a civil Union. It quickly went from a request for tolerance to a demand of societal acceptance.
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Slavery needed about the same amount of time to be thought of as bad.

Perhaps "marriage" vs. "civil union" was judged through the same lens as "separate but equal."
 
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