The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia


In so doing, the Left is using Kilmar Abrego Garcia as their poster child to demand "more due process." It’s time to correct this intended confusion and show just how much due process aliens receive.

When an alien becomes deportable – either because they entered the U.S. illegally, overstayed their temporary visa, committed a crime, committed fraud, participated in terrorist activity, or other reasons – ICE charges the alien with ground(s) of deportability, which initiates removal proceedings with the Justice Department’s administrative immigration court system.

These are civil proceedings, not criminal. The administrative immigration judges are Justice Department employees in the executive branch; they are not federal judges under the Article III Judiciary of the U.S. Constitution.

That means deportable aliens in deportation proceedings do not have the same rights as a person in a criminal trial, such as being innocent until proven guilty, the right to a taxpayer funded public defendant, etc. Removing a deportable alien is not a criminal sentence.

Within the civil, immigration context, Congress, on behalf of the American people, has legislated scores of ways to temporarily and permanently come to the U.S. – lawfully. Foreigners abroad can apply for visas to visit, study, work or join family here in the U.S. If they are fleeing persecution, they can apply for refugee protection through the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program.

Once in the U.S., aliens can also apply to DHS’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services for asylum, work authorization, "green cards" (permanent immigrant visas), naturalization and more immigration benefits.

What will surprise most Americans is that deportable aliens in immigration court proceedings have yet a third opportunity to apply for immigration benefits.

After an immigration judge finds the alien is deportable as charged (most deportable aliens concede their charges), the alien can request "relief from deportation" by applying for asylum or a green card with the judge. If granted, ICE’s request for removal is denied, the alien is given the immigration benefit and remains in the country. That is, unless the alien subsequently commits another deportable offense. Then, ICE can repeat the process.

Now consider Abrego Garcia’s case. He didn’t follow Congress’ "due process" by applying for a visa or refugee protection before coming to the U.S. Instead, he snuck across the border around 2011. He did not go to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to seek asylum within his first year in the U.S., an important and commonsense time-limitation Congress imposed to prevent asylum fraud.

If you were really fleeing for your life, one would reasonably expect you would request protection soon after arriving here. But Garcia didn’t follow that due process either.

Eight years later, he was arrested in a Maryland Home Depot parking lot, after police suspected suspicious activity by a small group of men and found discarded marijuana under a vehicle. The Gang Unit assisting at the scene filled out a Gang Field Interview Sheet and alleged that Abrego Garcia was an active member of the MS-13 gang.

The police turned him over to ICE, which detained him, initiated deportation proceedings, and opposed his release on bond, arguing he was a danger to the community based on the gang report. An immigration judge denied bond in April 2019, citing the gang report as trustworthy evidence.

Then, Garcia sought asylum and withholding of removal with an immigration judge as a defense from removal. He claimed he would be persecuted by another gang in El Salvador, Barrio 18. The immigration judge denied asylum because he violated the one-year time bar, but granted the more limited withholding of removal, released him from ICE custody, and issued a final order of removal to any country except "Guatemala." This was the clerical error – the order should have read "El Salvador."

Despite that due process, Garcia continued to violate the law. In May 2021, his wife sought a temporary protective order against him in Prince George’s County, Maryland. Then, in December 2022, the Tennessee Highway Patrol stopped him for speeding and failing to maintain his lane.

The officer suspected human trafficking due to eight other individuals in the SUV with no luggage, despite traveling from Houston to Maryland. The owner of the SUV was a confessed human smuggler. Garcia was released with a warning for an expired license after the FBI instructed that he be released.

President Donald Trump has designated MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization. This negated Garcia’s limited protection from being removed to El Salvador under the Immigration and Nationality Act. And so, the Trump administration removed him to El Salvador.

The Left demands Abrego Garcia be returned to the U.S. and receive his due process. Once again, they are being dishonest with the American public.

They ignore the fact that Garcia didn’t follow the process due Americans to seek a visa or refugee protection to come here lawfully. Nor do they admit that he failed to request asylum soon after his illegal entry.



And they fail to acknowledge that Garcia already received due process at his third opportunity. He is owed no more.
 
The fact that you're putting due process in quotes when it's a right under the Constitution for all people in this country shows the effect propaganda has on people
Answer the question.
What Due process do you think is appropriate.

I’ve answered. It’s one question. “Are you here legally?”

That’s all that is required in this situation
 
People SHOULD be more mad about ignoring the Supreme Court and individual liberties under the Constitution than they are about immigration. Acting like those are equivalent is one step short of acting like one justifies the other, and is just parroting the admin's propaganda
Abraham Lincoln says hi.
People only care about the rule of law when it suits their agenda
 

In so doing, the Left is using Kilmar Abrego Garcia as their poster child to demand "more due process." It’s time to correct this intended confusion and show just how much due process aliens receive.

When an alien becomes deportable – either because they entered the U.S. illegally, overstayed their temporary visa, committed a crime, committed fraud, participated in terrorist activity, or other reasons – ICE charges the alien with ground(s) of deportability, which initiates removal proceedings with the Justice Department’s administrative immigration court system.

These are civil proceedings, not criminal. The administrative immigration judges are Justice Department employees in the executive branch; they are not federal judges under the Article III Judiciary of the U.S. Constitution.

That means deportable aliens in deportation proceedings do not have the same rights as a person in a criminal trial, such as being innocent until proven guilty, the right to a taxpayer funded public defendant, etc. Removing a deportable alien is not a criminal sentence.

Within the civil, immigration context, Congress, on behalf of the American people, has legislated scores of ways to temporarily and permanently come to the U.S. – lawfully. Foreigners abroad can apply for visas to visit, study, work or join family here in the U.S. If they are fleeing persecution, they can apply for refugee protection through the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program.

Once in the U.S., aliens can also apply to DHS’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services for asylum, work authorization, "green cards" (permanent immigrant visas), naturalization and more immigration benefits.

What will surprise most Americans is that deportable aliens in immigration court proceedings have yet a third opportunity to apply for immigration benefits.

After an immigration judge finds the alien is deportable as charged (most deportable aliens concede their charges), the alien can request "relief from deportation" by applying for asylum or a green card with the judge. If granted, ICE’s request for removal is denied, the alien is given the immigration benefit and remains in the country. That is, unless the alien subsequently commits another deportable offense. Then, ICE can repeat the process.

Now consider Abrego Garcia’s case. He didn’t follow Congress’ "due process" by applying for a visa or refugee protection before coming to the U.S. Instead, he snuck across the border around 2011. He did not go to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to seek asylum within his first year in the U.S., an important and commonsense time-limitation Congress imposed to prevent asylum fraud.

If you were really fleeing for your life, one would reasonably expect you would request protection soon after arriving here. But Garcia didn’t follow that due process either.

Eight years later, he was arrested in a Maryland Home Depot parking lot, after police suspected suspicious activity by a small group of men and found discarded marijuana under a vehicle. The Gang Unit assisting at the scene filled out a Gang Field Interview Sheet and alleged that Abrego Garcia was an active member of the MS-13 gang.

The police turned him over to ICE, which detained him, initiated deportation proceedings, and opposed his release on bond, arguing he was a danger to the community based on the gang report. An immigration judge denied bond in April 2019, citing the gang report as trustworthy evidence.

Then, Garcia sought asylum and withholding of removal with an immigration judge as a defense from removal. He claimed he would be persecuted by another gang in El Salvador, Barrio 18. The immigration judge denied asylum because he violated the one-year time bar, but granted the more limited withholding of removal, released him from ICE custody, and issued a final order of removal to any country except "Guatemala." This was the clerical error – the order should have read "El Salvador."

Despite that due process, Garcia continued to violate the law. In May 2021, his wife sought a temporary protective order against him in Prince George’s County, Maryland. Then, in December 2022, the Tennessee Highway Patrol stopped him for speeding and failing to maintain his lane.

The officer suspected human trafficking due to eight other individuals in the SUV with no luggage, despite traveling from Houston to Maryland. The owner of the SUV was a confessed human smuggler. Garcia was released with a warning for an expired license after the FBI instructed that he be released.

President Donald Trump has designated MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization. This negated Garcia’s limited protection from being removed to El Salvador under the Immigration and Nationality Act. And so, the Trump administration removed him to El Salvador.

The Left demands Abrego Garcia be returned to the U.S. and receive his due process. Once again, they are being dishonest with the American public.

They ignore the fact that Garcia didn’t follow the process due Americans to seek a visa or refugee protection to come here lawfully. Nor do they admit that he failed to request asylum soon after his illegal entry.



And they fail to acknowledge that Garcia already received due process at his third opportunity. He is owed no more.
It would seem that those accusing Trump's admin of not following due process just don't like the laws.
 
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It would seem that those accusing Trump's admin of not following due process just don't like the laws.
I seem to recall some poster on this board mentioning this very thing a number of times.

It still will not resonate.

The average American’s understanding of civics is lacking, to say the least.
 
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People SHOULD be more mad about ignoring the Supreme Court and individual liberties under the Constitution than they are about immigration. Acting like those are equivalent is one step short of acting like one justifies the other, and is just parroting the admin's propaganda

It is a little scary in that it sets precedence.

Of course, people will respond to you by pointing out that abc does it as well (seems the popular ones are Obama and Biden and yes they did a lot of shady and horrible stuff too. I will state that some of the worse and most egregious infractions to our Constitution where in 1920s-1950s. I also think the Supreme Court in some of its rulings can violate the Constitution (they haven't here).

The entire 20th and 21st Century haven't been kind to the Constitution. The issue is that Constitutionalists come off to the average people like Cato would in Ancient Rome. They just sound like parroting elites that are out of touch to the suffering. Meanwhile, Americans are turning towards "Caesar" to save us and the Republic (we know how that worked out with Octavian).

USA is morphing into a dictatorship. Also, people get everything mixed up about Fascism and Communism. Fascism/Dictatorships tend to also believe in controlled economy and are very socialists. Nazi Germany had a planned economy more like the Soviet economy than the USA economy. They were heavily anti-Western and anti-Democratic as well. We tend to equate them on the opposite site of the spectrum when Nazi Germany and Soviet Union are far closer to each other than they are to Democracy. This is why, from a socialism perspective, some of MAGA and also some of the Bernie/AOC supporters are starting to have the same viewpoints on a lot more issues than either group wants to admit.

IMO Communism is Far Right and not Left. Socialism is far right. Far Left to me should be Libertarianism. Our society has that all screwed up.
 
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People SHOULD be more mad about ignoring the Supreme Court and individual liberties under the Constitution than they are about immigration. Acting like those are equivalent is one step short of acting like one justifies the other, and is just parroting the admin's propaganda
People should be mad at both. One doesn't justify the other, but in this instance one doesn't exist without the other. Failing to acknowledge that is entering prime intellectual dishonesty territory.

I'm parroting nothing.
 
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Answer the question.
What Due process do you think is appropriate.

I’ve answered. It’s one question. “Are you here legally?”

That’s all that is required in this situation
Who is required to answer that when asked? My answer to that question would be "Qué?"
 
People should be mad at both. One doesn't justify the other, but in this instance one doesn't exist without the other. Failing to acknowledge that is entering prime intellectual dishonesty territory.

I'm parroting nothing.
Let's say the admin decides that anyone suspected of being an undocumented immigrant gets executed. Would you still be saying "well that wouldn't exist without Biden's border policy, it's hypocrisy to dislike this" blah blah blah or would you just say that's bad? Exactly, and that should tell you who is being intellectually dishonest and doing the same "both sides" weak garbage
 

In so doing, the Left is using Kilmar Abrego Garcia as their poster child to demand "more due process." It’s time to correct this intended confusion and show just how much due process aliens receive.

When an alien becomes deportable – either because they entered the U.S. illegally, overstayed their temporary visa, committed a crime, committed fraud, participated in terrorist activity, or other reasons – ICE charges the alien with ground(s) of deportability, which initiates removal proceedings with the Justice Department’s administrative immigration court system.

These are civil proceedings, not criminal. The administrative immigration judges are Justice Department employees in the executive branch; they are not federal judges under the Article III Judiciary of the U.S. Constitution.

That means deportable aliens in deportation proceedings do not have the same rights as a person in a criminal trial, such as being innocent until proven guilty, the right to a taxpayer funded public defendant, etc. Removing a deportable alien is not a criminal sentence.

Within the civil, immigration context, Congress, on behalf of the American people, has legislated scores of ways to temporarily and permanently come to the U.S. – lawfully. Foreigners abroad can apply for visas to visit, study, work or join family here in the U.S. If they are fleeing persecution, they can apply for refugee protection through the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program.

Once in the U.S., aliens can also apply to DHS’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services for asylum, work authorization, "green cards" (permanent immigrant visas), naturalization and more immigration benefits.

What will surprise most Americans is that deportable aliens in immigration court proceedings have yet a third opportunity to apply for immigration benefits.

After an immigration judge finds the alien is deportable as charged (most deportable aliens concede their charges), the alien can request "relief from deportation" by applying for asylum or a green card with the judge. If granted, ICE’s request for removal is denied, the alien is given the immigration benefit and remains in the country. That is, unless the alien subsequently commits another deportable offense. Then, ICE can repeat the process.

Now consider Abrego Garcia’s case. He didn’t follow Congress’ "due process" by applying for a visa or refugee protection before coming to the U.S. Instead, he snuck across the border around 2011. He did not go to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to seek asylum within his first year in the U.S., an important and commonsense time-limitation Congress imposed to prevent asylum fraud.

If you were really fleeing for your life, one would reasonably expect you would request protection soon after arriving here. But Garcia didn’t follow that due process either.

Eight years later, he was arrested in a Maryland Home Depot parking lot, after police suspected suspicious activity by a small group of men and found discarded marijuana under a vehicle. The Gang Unit assisting at the scene filled out a Gang Field Interview Sheet and alleged that Abrego Garcia was an active member of the MS-13 gang.

The police turned him over to ICE, which detained him, initiated deportation proceedings, and opposed his release on bond, arguing he was a danger to the community based on the gang report. An immigration judge denied bond in April 2019, citing the gang report as trustworthy evidence.

Then, Garcia sought asylum and withholding of removal with an immigration judge as a defense from removal. He claimed he would be persecuted by another gang in El Salvador, Barrio 18. The immigration judge denied asylum because he violated the one-year time bar, but granted the more limited withholding of removal, released him from ICE custody, and issued a final order of removal to any country except "Guatemala." This was the clerical error – the order should have read "El Salvador."

Despite that due process, Garcia continued to violate the law. In May 2021, his wife sought a temporary protective order against him in Prince George’s County, Maryland. Then, in December 2022, the Tennessee Highway Patrol stopped him for speeding and failing to maintain his lane.

The officer suspected human trafficking due to eight other individuals in the SUV with no luggage, despite traveling from Houston to Maryland. The owner of the SUV was a confessed human smuggler. Garcia was released with a warning for an expired license after the FBI instructed that he be released.

President Donald Trump has designated MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization. This negated Garcia’s limited protection from being removed to El Salvador under the Immigration and Nationality Act. And so, the Trump administration removed him to El Salvador.

The Left demands Abrego Garcia be returned to the U.S. and receive his due process. Once again, they are being dishonest with the American public.

They ignore the fact that Garcia didn’t follow the process due Americans to seek a visa or refugee protection to come here lawfully. Nor do they admit that he failed to request asylum soon after his illegal entry.



And they fail to acknowledge that Garcia already received due process at his third opportunity. He is owed no more.
People talking about "due process coming in" or "due process for Laken Riley" or whatever have no idea what due process is. It's funny to say he "received due process" when it resulted in a court telling the admin not to do the exact thing that they did anyway
 
You are when you fill out your new hire paperwork. When you register to vote, when you fill out a 4473, when you apply for a drivers license, ext.
Voluntary. Not sure that's what slice was talking about
 
Let's say the admin decides that anyone suspected of being an undocumented immigrant gets executed. Would you still be saying "well that wouldn't exist without Biden's border policy, it's hypocrisy to dislike this" blah blah blah or would you just say that's bad? Exactly, and that should tell you who is being intellectually dishonest and doing the same "both sides" weak garbage
For a civil process? ending someone's life vs sending them back where they came from?

Nope, that's not a false equivalency at all.



Immigration law is civil law. Not criminal law. The law defines certain processes due the accused illegal immigrant. They get an opportunity to prove the right to be here. They get the opportunity to claim habeas ("I'm being detained illegally"). Nothing dictates that the habeas claims have to be long and drawn out.

Immigration law also states that legal and illegal immigrants can be removed with little or no "due process" based on the suspicions/etc of certain cabinet members, such as SoS, or the head of DHS.

AEA gives certain rights to the President, which also limit the process due to immigrants.


I haven't seen anywhere that the administration is actually breaking those laws. I've seen some district judges claim they are, and I've seen some of the DoJ responses detailing how they are giving these deportees due process, depending on the avenue of law being used to deport. But, just like the wild claims that the administration is ignoring SCOTUS rulings, I haven't seen any actual proof that they are ignoring lawful due process.

Again... It sounds like the people complaining have a basic dislike of two things: 1. The laws affecting immigration/deportations, and 2. Seeing the government working hard to exercise the balance of power demanded in the Constitution.
 
For a civil process? ending someone's life vs sending them back where they came from?

Nope, that's not a false equivalency at all.
They are not presented as "equivalent" in any way, so no, it's not. If that was your takeaway then you missed the point badly
 
People talking about "due process coming in" or "due process for Laken Riley" or whatever have no idea what due process is. It's funny to say he "received due process" when it resulted in a court telling the admin not to do the exact thing that they did anyway
At a basic level, "due process" is defined by "the process due as defined by the law being exercised".

Courts get shut down for overreach all the time. Just appealing to potentially activist district courts is a discussion non-starter. It's an appeal to authority in a system that forces three authorities to find a balance of respecting each other's authority while preserving their own.

If you want an actual, beneficial discussion, instead of picking an authority to appeal to (as many of those authorities are often rejected by THEIR actual authority--SCOTUS), post the laws, point out the processes due each deportee under that law, and explain how the administration has deprived them of that due process.
 
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Unless you're independently wealthy and don't need to work, it's not voluntary.
I've known lots who worked and didn't meet that. That by itself doesn't seem to meet the requirements to compel an answer. I simply don't believe this massive expansion of govt power will end well
 
They are not presented as "equivalent" in any way, so no, it's not. If that was your takeaway then you missed the point badly
OK. Then help me get your point. If the two options are not equivalent, then why should I care about your comparison and apparent expectation of the same response to each potential?

Again, one is an actual defined civil process to send an illegal back to their own country. Another is apparently a fictitious civil process to send someone into the afterlife. One is depriving someone of illegal residency in a country that they have no right to. Another is depriving them of their life.

Why would you expect the same rational and/or emotional response to the two, now having admitted that the thought experiment is not meant to be equivalent?
 
OK. Then help me get your point. If the two options are not equivalent, then why should I care about your comparison and apparent expectation of the same response to each potential?

Again, one is an actual defined civil process to send an illegal back to their own country. Another is apparently a fictitious civil process to send someone into the afterlife. One is depriving someone of illegal residency in a country that they have no right to. Another is depriving them of their life.

Why would you expect the same rational and/or emotional response to the two, now having admitted that the thought experiment is not meant to be equivalent?
But-for cause as logic - ie "one doesn't exist without the other" - is not very meaningful, especially when the second thing is worse for many people than the first thing is. If the second thing were MUCH worse, like something that involved death, then people would understand that very quickly; no one would be saying "well this wouldn't exist without Biden's border policy" and acting like that is important to note. It is an intentionally extreme example

People should be mad at both. One doesn't justify the other, but in this instance one doesn't exist without the other. Failing to acknowledge that is entering prime intellectual dishonesty territory.

I'm parroting nothing.
 
Let's say the admin decides that anyone suspected of being an undocumented immigrant gets executed. Would you still be saying "well that wouldn't exist without Biden's border policy, it's hypocrisy to dislike this" blah blah blah or would you just say that's bad? Exactly, and that should tell you who is being intellectually dishonest and doing the same "both sides" weak garbage
What's weak garbage is creating a strawman.

Talk about moving the goalposts!

I've said repeatedly I don't agree with what Trump is doing. I don't like trampling due process, for obvious reasons, I also fear others will do the same in the future. Precedent is set now. There is some ambiguity as it pertains to law, there often is. I don't think government should operate in those areas...... But they do. Bottom line is it's on the lower end of government abuse/overstep in today's world, but shouldn't be ignored.......

I've said repeatedly that had Biden inforced immigration law and supported his agents assigned to do that very thing instead of neutering them and later scapegoating them we wouldn't be in the predicament we are now. He failed to support law abiding citizens and listen to them and react to their needs as their land was destroyed, livestock killed etc. All because it would have appeared he didn't support illegal immigrants.

I won't ignore gross government abuse or neglect. It isn't both sides argument...... It's an all sides argument. They all suck and have doubled down on the mistakes of their predecessors for the better part of at least 3 decades.

Pretending that mass deportations without due process today aren't directly linked to the gross advertisement of open borders for the past few years is ........... Just silly!

One doesn't justify the other, it's just bad policy stacked on top of bad policy and directly linked.
 
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