The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

[SpaceCoastVol]

Dang, you are unreasonably angry.

Seek some help, stay off the board for a week, do something to effectuate some self-care.

Get well soon,

RW

I've tried that tack before. The hatred is too strong on the left.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The legal scholar all seem to agree it will be squashed as soon as he’s returned. So we will bring him back, have that order overturned and redeport him to the exact same prison.

This is a huge waste of time

The leftists want to waste the next three and a half years

 

[Orangeslice13]

Isn't he from ES? If so, why is the destination a problem? As a matter of fact, sending him anywhere else should be a problem. Otherwise, let's send them all to Afghanistan.

It’s only a problem because a judge ruled in 2019 that he could not be deported to that country because he was “afraid for his life” his run ins with the law since would make removing that ruling a formality. That’s a step that should have been taken but it’s not like that failure has changed the ultimate outcome had they followed proper procedures.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The leftists want to waste the next three and a half years

I work every day with quality men and women who followed due process coming in. They are here legally and keep their paperwork in order. I personally don’t care if this guy….or anyone for that matter…..thinks that someone who comes here illegally deserves the same protection as those who come here legally. I see this as the same as police who break the rules collecting evidence. It was obtained illegally and therefore cannot be used. You came here illegally so anything beyond that is irrelevant.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Isn't he from ES? If so, why is the destination a problem? As a matter of fact, sending him anywhere else should be a problem. Otherwise, let's send them all to Afghanistan.

Because he's in an El Salvadoran prison, by execution of the AEA, and he's not a member of the TdA. Affect his deportation via standard immigration courts. Call the president of El Salvador. Ask him to let the guy out of prison unless they have a reason to keep him there. Carry on.

 

[norrislakevol]

Heh. Are you suggesting that if the District Court finds Trump Admin officials in contempt that they're going to defy the Court? If yes, are you hoping to witness a Constitutional crisis? Pretty sure that's a path down which nobody fares well.

This is nothing new, sorry to break it to you. Federal courts have been defied before by administrations, not that it's a good thing, but somehow we survived all those other constitutional crises.

 

[volbound1700]

This is nothing new, sorry to break it to you. Federal courts have been defied before by administrations, not that it's a good thing, but somehow we survived all those other constitutional crises.

Courts can also act up and rule beyond their means as well. Not necessarily tying it to any situation being discussed, just pointing that out in general. Some of the Supreme Court rulings from 1920s-1960s make my head hurt. A lot of them were 5-4 and I tend to find the dissenters to be more logical in their analysis. Wicker vs Filburn in 1946 being the worse culprit. I would have cheered on anyone for ignoring that one.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Heh. Are you suggesting that if the District Court finds Trump Admin officials in contempt that they're going to defy the Court? If yes, are you hoping to witness a Constitutional crisis? Pretty sure that's a path down which nobody fares well.

Or Trump could just pardon any member of the administration found in contempt. A power explicitly granted him in the Constitution, so „constitutional crisis“ averted.
Also, who is responsible for making an arrest for contempt? Oh yeah, the executive branch. Good luck with getting AG Bondi to order an arrest.

 

[OrangeTsar]

This is nothing new, sorry to break it to you. Federal courts have been defied before by administrations, not that it's a good thing, but somehow we survived all those other constitutional crises.

The biggest danger the judiciary faces under our constitution isn’t external from congress or the executive; it is the danger of self inflicted loss of prestige through absurd rulings. As it has no enforcement mechanism, the court’s legitimacy is based almost entirety on its reputation for reasoned and well thought out decisions. Rulings such as the ones coming out lately at the district level attempt to nonsensically prohibit the executive branch form pursuing purely executive actions clearly granted under the constitution; and are rightly seen as silly.
A judge who rules that the earth is flat would be a judge that shouldn’t be shocked when his or her decision is questioned.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Because he's in an El Salvadoran prison, by execution of the AEA, and he's not a member of the TdA. Affect his deportation via standard immigration courts. Call the president of El Salvador. Ask him to let the guy out of prison unless they have a reason to keep him there. Carry on.

Why is it any of our business whether he belongs in prison there? I couldn't care less. He's not an American citizen.

 

[volbound1700]

Why is it any of our business whether he belongs in prison there? I couldn't care less. He's not an American citizen.

Trump violated US Code (yes US Code, not the Constitution). However, what is done is done. Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and he is under their jurisdiction now. There is nothing the US can do to bring him back without the support of El Salvador.

Regarding Supreme Court rulings, they have been ignored a lot of times throughout history. Go look at the Dredd Scott decision as an example.

 

[C-south]

Because he's in an El Salvadoran prison, by execution of the AEA, and he's not a member of the TdA. Affect his deportation via standard immigration courts. Call the president of El Salvador. Ask him to let the guy out of prison unless they have a reason to keep him there. Carry on.

Where’s he going to go since he allegedly fears for his safety there?

 

[volbound1700]

Where’s he going to go since he allegedly fears for his safety there?

The entire Garcia case is a VERY EASY FIX. All we need is a letter from El Salvador asking or his extradition. If that is done, there is nothing any court or lawyer can argue on our end because Garcia is an El Salvador citizen and he doesn't have refugee status.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Because he's in an El Salvadoran prison, by execution of the AEA, and he's not a member of the TdA. Affect his deportation via standard immigration courts. Call the president of El Salvador. Ask him to let the guy out of prison unless they have a reason to keep him there. Carry on.

And if the President of El Salvador says „No“ (he IS the leader of a sovereign nation after all); then what?

 

[volbound1700]

And if the President of El Salvador says „No“ (he IS the leader of a sovereign nation after all); then what?

Not just is that a sovereign nation but Garcia is still a citizen of that sovereign nation. Trump may have violated US law by how he was imported but there is no legal mechanism that would align with bringing him back if El Salvador says no or wants to hold onto him. He is their citizen. The only mechanism that I can think of is refugee status but he doesn't have that nor can he get it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Why is it any of our business whether he belongs in prison there? I couldn't care less. He's not an American citizen.

Because until shown otherwise, he's there due to the request of the US.

i.e.:

Alien Enemies Act for TdA, who has been designated a terrorist group that is a predatory incursion as the result of the acts of Venezuela. This is accomplished in partnership with El Salvador, who has contracted to imprison those we deport under that avenue of law.

As far as I know, gang members from El Salvador do not at this time fall under that avenue of deportation.

Thus it is an abuse of the law to send MS13 members from El Salvador to an El Salvadoran prison.



If I have missed the legality of MS13 members from El Salvador being sent to El Salvadoran prison, then I will own it and defer.

Otherwise, unless Es tells us that he had criminal charges and convictions that should put him in their prison system independent of our contract with them: Officially deport him to El Salvador via the standard immigration process and request that he be released from ES prison. After that, it's out of our hands.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The entire Garcia case is a VERY EASY FIX. All we need is a letter from El Salvador asking or his extradition. If that is done, there is nothing any court or lawyer can argue on our end because Garcia is an El Salvador citizen and he doesn't have refugee status.

Or... Just say he's their problem and move on to the remaining 5 million illegals here

 

[Orange_Crush]

Where’s he going to go since he allegedly fears for his safety there?

To El Salvador. That's not my issue. My issue is sending him to prison there as an abuse of the AEA.

 

[Orange_Crush]

And if the President of El Salvador says „No“ (he IS the leader of a sovereign nation after all); then what?

Then it's out of our hands. We did what we could.

 

[volbound1700]

Or... Just say he's their problem and move on to the remaining 5 million illegals here

I think you miss the KEY point (and I know that Trump isn't the only recent President guilty of this). Trump's camp (I doubt Trump had much to do with this case) ignored and broke a US Code. This is why there was a 9-0 US Supreme Court Ruling against him.

Does that open the door for Future Presidents to do the same? We need to be consistent on our respect of law. Trump is basically doing the same stuff he criticized Biden for doing on campaign (only the issues have changed, actions are the same).

 

[OrangeTsar]

Then it's out of our hands. We did what we could.

Exactly. Some people (including members of Congress and at least a few „judges“) seem to think that Trump can somehow order the President of El Salvador to return him. It just doesn’t work like that.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Because until shown otherwise, he's there due to the request of the US.

i.e.:

Alien Enemies Act for TdA, who has been designated a terrorist group that is a predatory incursion as the result of the acts of Venezuela. This is accomplished in partnership with El Salvador, who has contracted to imprison those we deport under that avenue of law.

As far as I know, gang members from El Salvador do not at this time fall under that avenue of deportation.

Thus it is an abuse of the law to send MS13 members from El Salvador to an El Salvadoran prison.



If I have missed the legality of MS13 members from El Salvador being sent to El Salvadoran prison, then I will own it and defer.

Otherwise, unless Es tells us that he had criminal charges and convictions that should put him in their prison system independent of our contract with them: Officially deport him to El Salvador via the standard immigration process and request that he be released from ES prison. After that, it's out of our hands.

I dunno. It looks like you are picking fly specks out of pepper. To me it is much simple. He was illegally here. He is a citizen of El Salvador. We sent him home. What they do to him is none of concern. Next.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I love how the Dems were ordered back after the polling was terrible.

Plus rogue Judge Dugan became the latest outrage and Pearl clutching cause for the democratss. Poor Mr gangbanger is yesterday’s news now and will rapidly disappear from the news cycle.

 

[Orangeburst]

You send a letter by certified mail, well maybe Fedex as mail is suddenly slow, asking for his return. Of course Bukele knows the score and I doubt he would refuse.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

To El Salvador. That's not my issue. My issue is sending him to prison there as an abuse of the AEA.

Why do you care? He's a citizen of that country. If he's not a criminal they can let him go?