The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

[Ritzwatch]

The **** word smithing games you playing here bro. As I have said since the beginning, the deportation of Mr. Garcia to El Salvador was illegal.

Seeing as you hate him so much, bring him back and then to try to deport him again… but oh by the way, he has rights, so he will have his day in court.

Just one last thing… You me, and all other taxpayers in this country are likely going to have to pay Mr. Garcia money as compensation for the illegal deportation of him to a prison in El Salvador. I would say it’s very likely that he will retain an attorney once he returns here and he’s not deported and said Attorney will sue the federal government and they’ll settle for who knows how much. But guess what dude you and me will be paying for it.

Dang, you are unreasonably angry.

Seek some help, stay off the board for a week, do something to effectuate some self-care.

Get well soon,

RW

 

[MemphisVol77]

and Garcia will be "undeported" back to the US... and likely tried for his purported MS13 ties.

What are you on about? That's not how it works and the immigration courts have already determined Garcia to be a gang member.

“The determination that the respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence”-Judge Elizabeth Kessler https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.1_1.pdf

 

[GroverCleveland]

It was not a lawful deportation order. Don’t you understand?

Garcia is in prison for what… tell me.

And yes, absolutely bring him back here. Let’s see your boy idiot Trump put him up to trial.

1) Yes it was. He was deported to the wrong place. However, he is a citizen of El Salvador which kind of makes it hard for a U.S. judge to do much about it. Oops.

2. Ask El Salvador.

3. Will not be a trial. They will ship him off somewhere else. IF El Salvador deigns to allow him to come back here.

 

[dalton_vol]

It is a little scary in that it sets precedence.

Of course, people will respond to you by pointing out that abc does it as well (seems the popular ones are Obama and Biden and yes they did a lot of shady and horrible stuff too. I will state that some of the worse and most egregious infractions to our Constitution where in 1920s-1950s. I also think the Supreme Court in some of its rulings can violate the Constitution (they haven't here).

The entire 20th and 21st Century haven't been kind to the Constitution. The issue is that Constitutionalists come off to the average people like Cato would in Ancient Rome. They just sound like parroting elites that are out of touch to the suffering. Meanwhile, Americans are turning towards "Caesar" to save us and the Republic (we know how that worked out with Octavian).

USA is morphing into a dictatorship. Also, people get everything mixed up about Fascism and Communism. Fascism/Dictatorships tend to also believe in controlled economy and are very socialists. Nazi Germany had a planned economy more like the Soviet economy than the USA economy. They were heavily anti-Western and anti-Democratic as well. We tend to equate them on the opposite site of the spectrum when Nazi Germany and Soviet Union are far closer to each other than they are to Democracy. This is why, from a socialism perspective, some of MAGA and also some of the Bernie/AOC supporters are starting to have the same viewpoints on a lot more issues than either group wants to admit.

IMO Communism is Far Right and not Left. Socialism is far right. Far Left to me should be Libertarianism. Our society has that all screwed up.

Communism is socialism with a gun. the vast majority of "ism's" are leftist, at least the America definition of leftism

 

[OrangeTsar]

1) Yes it was. He was deported to the wrong place. However, he is a citizen of El Salvador which kind of makes it hard for a U.S. judge to do much about it. Oops.

2. Ask El Salvador.

3. Will not be a trial. They will ship him off somewhere else. IF El Salvador deigns to allow him to come back here.

Regarding point number 3: they could have another plane waiting on the tarmac. He walks down the staircase from the plane from El Salvador and then immediately up the staircase for the second plane to leave for some other country.
„Yes your honor. We facilitated his return to the US. He was here for 45 seconds before being deported but not to El Salvador“

 

[Orangeburst]

Dang, you are unreasonably angry.

Seek some help, stay off the board for a week, do something to effectuate some self-care.

Get well soon,

RW

 

[just bob]

I love how the Dems were ordered back after the polling was terrible.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Our Supreme Court Order provides all the background you need...

Again, as acknowledged by Trump administration attorneys, Garcia should not have been deported to El Salvador. The folks who did this are now facing potential contempt charges from the District Court judge for their illegal actions.

Lol
Nothing is going to happen.


Check my stats. I’m 100% on these predictions

 

[Orangeslice13]

what happened in 2019 that allowed the judge to issue a withholding of removal status?

The legal scholar all seem to agree it will be squashed as soon as he’s returned. So we will bring him back, have that order overturned and redeport him to the exact same prison.

This is a huge waste of time

 

[Ritzwatch]

Lol
Nothing is going to happen.


Check my stats. I’m 100% on these predictions

I seriously doubt anything happens while Trump is President. But when the next Dem is elected, he will be nominated for Director of Homeland Security.

 

[Wireless1]

The legal scholar all seem to agree it will be squashed as soon as he’s returned. So we will bring him back, have that order overturned and redeport him to the exact same prison.

This is a huge waste of time

And probably in the middle of the night…..Dems need to start a “Gruden-like” watch for a plane

 

[norrislakevol]

Oh, we’ll see if that holds up once the various members of the Trump administration are held in contempt of court. Once they’re held or threatened to be held behind bars, then we’ll see if Mr. Trump can make that call to tell the El presidente to send that ************ back.

Again, whether or not a district court judge has the power to tell Trump how to do his job is not the question here. The question, rather, revolves around the fact that the executive branch is defying the judicial branch. And when that happens, contempt of court follows.

Who's gonna enforce that? asking for a friend. Who enforced court orders on Andrew Jackson (Courts told him not to move Native Americans) or the Biden administration involving rent during Covid?

"John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it"

 

[norrislakevol]

Dang, you are unreasonably angry.

Seek some help, stay off the board for a week, do something to effectuate some self-care.

Get well soon,

RW

Monty sure does love him some wife beating, human trafficking, illegals. The hill to die on for sure.

 

[EasternVol]

Just like a swastika tattoo doesn’t NEED to have the literal word „Nazi“ above it for one to assume that the person has Nazi like views. Some things are just obvious.

Unless the person with the tattoo’s Hindu. See how that works?

 

[EasternVol]

Should Democrats Visiting Kilmar Abrego Garcia Be on the Terror Watch List?​

One of the more outrageous abuses of the politically weaponized Biden administration was the placement of former Democratic presidential candidate and Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard on a TSA terror surveillance program called Quiet Skies. It's now time for the Trump administration to consider putting Democratic politicians seeking to parlay with MS-13 gang member and accused wife beater Kilmar Garcia Abrego on the same list.

Should Democrats Visiting Kilmar Abrego Garcia Be on the Terror Watch List?

One of the more outrageous abuses of the politically weaponized Biden administration was the placeme

townhall.com

Lick those boots.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Unless the person with the tattoo’s Hindu. See how that works?

No it's obvious. That's just being pedantic and wilfully obtuse.

Nazi swastika is generally rotated 45 degrees with the arms tipped while the Hindu swastika generally has the arms upright. I don't know about Hindu culture, but the biggest outlier would be a nazi having a swastika be his only tattoo. I'm yet to hear of Hindu with double lightning bolts, 1488, or death heads accompanying their swastika.

The common sense approach in this case (because Garcia was apprehended amongst MS-13 gang members) is to look at what the gang insignia means to the gang.
I've seen documentaries about people having to get star of David tattoos covered up when incarcerated because of the Gangster Disciples(trademark?). Same for people with 4 leaf clover tattoos because of the Aryan Brotherhood. There's presently a 4 part documentary on MAX, about the Texas AB, with some grotesque after photos of people that had their tattoos cut and burnt off.
If an individual came about their tattoos innocuously the gangs generally allow the individual to have it covered up.
Whether it's biker gangs, urban gangs, prison gangs, or south american hispanic gangs........ they sure as hell don't allow non gang members with their insignia to co-exist, associate, or fraternize in any proximity to them.

 

[MontyPython]

What are you on about? That's not how it works and the immigration courts have already determined Garcia to be a gang member.

“The determination that the respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence”-Judge Elizabeth Kessler https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.1_1.pdf

It's called due process.

Trump’s Case Against Man Deported in “Error” Just Took Another Big Hit

Trumpworld claims Kilmar Abrego Garcia was in MS-13. But new information concerning the local cop who attested to that charge at the time raises fresh questions about it.

newrepublic.com

 

[MontyPython]

1) Yes it was. He was deported to the wrong place. However, he is a citizen of El Salvador which kind of makes it hard for a U.S. judge to do much about it. Oops.

2. Ask El Salvador.

3. Will not be a trial. They will ship him off somewhere else. IF El Salvador deigns to allow him to come back here.

Wrong.
No.
Wrong. Again, due process.

 

[MontyPython]

The legal scholar all seem to agree it will be squashed as soon as he’s returned. So we will bring him back, have that order overturned and redeport him to the exact same prison.

This is a huge waste of time

Link.

 

[MontyPython]

Who's gonna enforce that? asking for a friend. Who enforced court orders on Andrew Jackson (Courts told him not to move Native Americans) or the Biden administration involving rent during Covid?

"John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it"

Heh. Are you suggesting that if the District Court finds Trump Admin officials in contempt that they're going to defy the Court? If yes, are you hoping to witness a Constitutional crisis? Pretty sure that's a path down which nobody fares well.

 

[EasternVol]

No it's obvious. That's just being pedantic and wilfully obtuse.

Nazi swastika is generally rotated 45 degrees with the arms tipped while the Hindu swastika generally has the arms upright. I don't know about Hindu culture, but the biggest outlier would be a nazi having a swastika be his only tattoo. I'm yet to hear of Hindu with double lightning bolts, 1488, or death heads accompanying their swastika.

The common sense approach in this case (because Garcia was apprehended amongst MS-13 gang members) is to look at what the gang insignia means to the gang.
I've seen documentaries about people having to get star of David tattoos covered up when incarcerated because of the Gangster Disciples(trademark?). Same for people with 4 leaf clover tattoos because of the Aryan Brotherhood. There's presently a 4 part documentary on MAX, about the Texas AB, with some grotesque after photos of people that had their tattoos cut and burnt off.
If an individual came about their tattoos innocuously the gangs generally allow the individual to have it covered up.
Whether it's biker gangs, urban gangs, prison gangs, or south american hispanic gangs........ they sure as hell don't allow non gang members with their insignia to co-exist, associate, or fraternize in any proximity to them.

The post I replied to had no mention of double lightning bolts, 1488, or death’s heads, just ‘swastika’. It’s easy for those with a little knowledge to come to wrong conclusions.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I am wondering if the dems will still continue to defend this "Maryland man" as more and more things continue to come out.

Of course they will. They still view him as useful in some twisted way.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Apparently not.

1. What is unlawful about his deportation?

2. What authority (statute or court order) makes it illegal?

I believe he was deported under AEA. That may turn out to be ruled unlawful by a court, but I am not aware of it having been done so yet. Without that, I don’t see how you can definitively conclude it is unlawful. I agree (see my response to @Orangeslice13, above) that he should not have been sent to ES, but I haven’t seen where he couldn’t be deported, or where he was conclusively due any more process than he has been given.

Show me where it is required, and I would love to see it; I am a process-follower here, not a partisan. I may not like the process, but if it is there, established, it should be followed.

So, show me. Cite authority, not hopes or wishes or preferences, please.


Have no idea. Not sure why El Salvador put him there/holds him there. Sounds like an El Salvador issue. I am as curious as you. Has he broken any ES laws? I don’t know.


So now you want us to TRY him for something? Dang, you are lost. What do you think he did? I think he was here illegally, and should therefore be deported. That is all.

Excellent post

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No. You’re correct and I agreed that he should have been held in Cuba till that order was squashed

His deportation wasn’t illegal just the destination

Isn't he from ES? If so, why is the destination a problem? As a matter of fact, sending him anywhere else should be a problem. Otherwise, let's send them all to Afghanistan.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The **** word smithing games you playing here bro. As I have said since the beginning, the deportation of Mr. Garcia to El Salvador was illegal.

Seeing as you hate him so much, bring him back and then to try to deport him again… but oh by the way, he has rights, so he will have his day in court.

Just one last thing… You me, and all other taxpayers in this country are likely going to have to pay Mr. Garcia money as compensation for the illegal deportation of him to a prison in El Salvador. I would say it’s very likely that he will retain an attorney once he returns here and he’s not deported and said Attorney will sue the federal government and they’ll settle for who knows how much. But guess what dude you and me will be paying for it.