The Culture problem with TN football

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Pruitt in fairness has had only one recruiting class for which he can take credit. True, technically his first one occurred when he too the job, however he was in a position where it was just following up with kids the previous staff had on the hook, NOT kids he would have gone after. Therefore, his only recruiting class was from 2018, he owns each and every player from that class on his roster, lock, stock, and barrel.
 
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landscapingvol said:
The effects of social media and technology on this generation is absolutely a "generational issue". Facts are kids/teenagers/young adults aren't as actively participating in organized sports. Youth leagues are dying all over the country which is why more and more players are playing AAU. Many players today simply do not want to put forth the effort it takes to be successful. It has gotten worse over the last 10-15 years or so. It isn't just a problem a UT but it is magnified at UT when the results on the field suck as bad as they have.
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Must depend on where you live. Seems to be a lot bigger and a lot more parental involvement thsee days. A couple of years ago I went to my youngest nephew's flag football game in Franklin. People had tents and grills like it was a freaking titans game. There were cheerleaders and more coaches than I could count. Parking was a beeotch as was the traffic. My parents live near the WILCO soccer complex off 96w. I don't even think about going over there on Saturday mornings unless it's an emergency. JMO, but I think all the helicopter parents have f'd up the kids today more than anything else.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Great article form AtoZ in Nashville about the culture problem ion TN. I have thought this same thing a lot. This is why when UT lost last year, they lost badly. At the first sign that the other team has gotten ahead the culture was to give up and "oh well we tried our best... orange slices for everyone!" You hear some of the old guys like Joey Kent who rarely lost, a loss was devastating. Tennessee needs to get back to that point.

Tennessee's culture is still a big problem for Jeremy Pruitt
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Absolutely ridiculous "article" apparently written by some one who spends too much time reading message boards.

Who recruited Juan Jennings?
And if after 21 months Pruitt and company havent taught that there is a winner and loser then they have failed.

It pisses me off to no end that this "Jones players/culture" is why we lost to Georgia St talk is even a thing. One things for damn sure is that CBJ and staff disnt lose any games that were even close to being the embarrassment of the Georgia St game. And he avoided those losses with "his players".

It is Florida week and we have a good chance of upsetting the hated gators but some dillweed "journalist" brings this crap up.
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OrangeBeachVol said:
There was one key sentence in that article that made the most sense to me. "Until we see a team full of just Pruitt's players we won't know what kind of coach he really is". Right now ifs 50/50 with Jones/Pruitt players. I think next year the tide will start to turn. I know its always next year with TN but it takes time to rebuild in the SEC that's just a fact.
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Why is that all the great ciaches have a big jump in year 2 but this staff (who according to so many here are destined for greatness) need year 3? Ridiculous.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Absolutely ridiculous "article" apparently written by some one who spends too much time reading message boards.

Who recruited Juan Jennings?
And if after 21 months Pruitt and company havent taught that there is a winner and loser then they have failed.

It pisses me off to no end that this "Jones players/culture" is why we lost to Georgia St talk is even a thing. One things for damn sure is that CBJ and staff disnt lose any games that were even close to being the embarrassment of the Georgia St game. And he avoided those losses with "his players".

It is Florida week and we have a good chance of upsetting the hated gators but some dillweed "journalist" brings this crap up.
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Exactly. You just don’t lose to Georgia State here. I’m NEYLAND stadium at that. I mean good lord.

Pruitt has a way to go to be considered as good as Butch Jones at this point. Maybe they win tomorrow. Then he can take a breath for a second. But until Pruitt can win against the BYUs and the Georgia States. I don’t know what to say.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
There was one key sentence in that article that made the most sense to me. "Until we see a team full of just Pruitt's players we won't know what kind of coach he really is". Right now ifs 50/50 with Jones/Pruitt players. I think next year the tide will start to turn. I know its always next year with TN but it takes time to rebuild in the SEC that's just a fact.
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A great coach will take his players and beat yours then take yours and beat his. The whole “they’re Butch’s players” is a pathetic excuse.
 
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ALLVOL 4LIFE said:
My issue with all of this is simple! Pruitt wants to be and acts like a hard ass right? If there are kids on the roster that are not buying in or giving their all, put BOOT to ASS! Send them packing! If you gonna lose, lose with your player and players that care. Pruitt is the chief and he need to continue to clean house at a faster pace IF we still have these types of players. Why waste his time or ours? He has 50 players that he recruited, that’s a little over a 2 deep, (I know every position won’t be covered by those 50) he can cherry pick from the remaining 35 scholarship players plus all the walk-on’s!

This excuse is is not working for me at this point! Live and die with the ones that want to be there. Everyone...U may go now!
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This is all fine and well if you have enough experienced players to come in and take spots from the players who are not buying in. When JP gets more talent into your program and he starts to change the culture even more then you will likely see this. Until then you sometimes have to bite the bullit.
 
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vol445 said:
How so? I said I didn’t agree with it
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Assume college kids are 20 which means they were born in 1999. If their parents were young then they were in their 20s when they had them. So their parents were born in 1979 at the latest. The kids weren’t the ones complaining about not getting a participation trophy, it was their parents. Those parents were born in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
When I potty train my kid if she doesn’t go she drops and gives me 20 push-ups
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Meh..., I'm a military brat. I was potty trained at gun point.
Daddy fired off a blank from the shotgun then loaded a slug in front of me.

I agree with the author that "UT" has a culture problem with the football team.

When you have upperclassmen posting videos making fun of us losing on Instagram/twatter then it's undeniable there is an inherited culture problem.

Pruitt did the 'right thing' and kicked out the offenders. I mean the players decided to enter the transfer portal.

It's not a generational culture problem or a societal culture problem.
It's a University of Tennessee cultural problem.

From App St in 2016, Umass in 2017, Charlotte 2018 and blowout losses to Vandy/Mizzu the apathy has been there and came to ahead against Georgia State this year.

I think we've got like 14-16 1st/2nd year players getting meaningful playing time in the 2deep. Which is at least 10more youngsters playing meaningfully snaps than the closest SEC team to us.

I'm not gonna excuse Pruitt for Georgia State. But I'll recognize the next week some players weren't on the team anymore.
Then we came out and played allot better against BYU. The returning freshmam AA Alonte Taylor blew coverage & was riding pine the majority of the next week while it was made very clear to JG he isn't untouchable.(I think Bama will be his last start & we'll see BM allot in 2nd halves before then if he doesn't step up).

Maybe Pruitt should have coddled Drew Richmond & Sapp while guaranteed their starting positions, and kept Marcus Tatum full time at RT instead of rotating linemen the first few games.
I'm 100% certain we would have beaten Georgia State at least had he done that.

The Georgia State game is like someone took a dump in a paper bag, lit it on fire, and then Pruitt tried to stomp it out.
Yes Pruitt could have handled it better and he tracked crap all over the house but quit blaming him for the bag of burning sh!t being there.

I don't know that Pruitt is the long term answer as our HC. I do think he is the short term answer to fix our culture problem. I also think unlike Dooley and Butch he'll leave us better off than we were before he got here.
 
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You'd think a new coach who needs player buy in to succeed would try being a player's coach. This ain't Bama where you can replace a starter with equal talent at every position. The rate Pruitt is going, he won't be here long enough to flip the roster and even if he does our current recruiting leaves a good bit to be desired. Pruitt has fallen into the trap of all unproven coaches who don't have early success. He needs wins to sell the program but the wins won't come without better players. I think he realizes his situation and that's why he seemed so apathetic after GA State. He's just waiting for the buyout and a one way ticket back to T town.
 
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08Vol said:
Assume college kids are 20 which means they were born in 1999. If their parents were young then they were in their 20s when they had them. So their parents were born in 1979 at the latest. The kids weren’t the ones complaining about not getting a participation trophy, it was their parents. Those parents were born in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s.
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Idk, I was born in 85. Raised old-school. You played outside and didn't come home til the porch light came on. Rode in the front seat without a seatbelt. If ya caused mischief you went and picked a switch from a bush and got your a** lit up. You ate what was for dinner, and if you refused, you sat there til you ate it. Back-talking was the ultimate sin. I could go on, just sayin my elders weren't handing out participation trophies to me. Now, doing some of these things today would get me a call to cps, but I raise my own kids with a similar no b.s. manner. I can't speak for others though. This generations gone soft, and everyone gets offended over everything.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
You'd think a new coach who needs player buy in to succeed would try being a player's coach. This ain't Bama where you can replace a starter with equal talent at every position. The rate Pruitt is going, he won't be here long enough to flip the roster and even if he does our current recruiting leaves a good bit to be desired. Pruitt has fallen into the trap of all unproven coaches who don't have early success. He needs wins to sell the program but the wins won't come without better players. I think he realizes his situation and that's why he seemed so apathetic after GA State. He's just waiting for the buyout and a one way ticket back to T town.
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You'd think, but it shouldn't shock you that some people are resistant to change. Those types are set in their ways and lack ability to step outside themselves, ignore their own ego and see the forest for the trees.
 
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08Vol said:
Assume college kids are 20 which means they were born in 1999. If their parents were young then they were in their 20s when they had them. So their parents were born in 1979 at the latest. The kids weren’t the ones complaining about not getting a participation trophy, it was their parents. Those parents were born in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s.
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Yeah I agree with that but I thought that was ridiculous, so you can’t invlude me in
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Idk, I was born in 85. Raised old-school. You played outside and didn't come home til the porch light came on. Rode in the front seat without a seatbelt. If ya caused mischief you went and picked a switch from a bush and got your a** lit up. You ate what was for dinner, and if you refused, you sat there til you ate it. Back-talking was the ultimate sin. I could go on, just sayin my elders weren't handing out participation trophies to me. Now, doing some of these things today would get me a call to cps, but I raise my own kids with a similar no b.s. manner. I can't speak for others though. This generations gone soft, and everyone gets offended over everything.
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Kids born in 85 were playing college football in 2003. It’s 2019. For whatever reason people raised up like you were decided they didn’t want their kids raised that way and they changed the system. When their kids complained about not getting a trophy when they lost it was their PARENTS who demanded they get one. When you see a kid with a cell phone so his parents know where he is at all time do you not realize it was his PARENTS that gave him the phone.
 
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SKBubba said:
It goes deeper than UT football or Butch Jones or the AD or the admin or whatever. It's a Knoxville thing. Let's hope Pruitt doesn't succumb to it.
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Have to agree. Knoxville wants a winner. Hope Pruitt doesn’t succumb to it.
 
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08Vol said:
Kids born in 85 were playing college football in 2003. It’s 2019. For whatever reason people raised up like you were decided they didn’t want their kids raised that way and they changed the system. When their kids complained about not getting a trophy when they lost it was their PARENTS who demanded they get one. When you see a kid with a cell phone so his parents know where he is at all time do you not realize it was his PARENTS that gave him the phone.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't understand why or how my generation and the one before me developed this concept of parenting we see today. My childhood was some of my best years. You respected authority and learned how to be independent. Kids these days, sheesh, I want to smack some of their parents.
 
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Remy said:
Pruitt in fairness has had only one recruiting class for which he can take credit. True, technically his first one occurred when he too the job, however he was in a position where it was just following up with kids the previous staff had on the hook, NOT kids he would have gone after. Therefore, his only recruiting class was from 2018, he owns each and every player from that class on his roster, lock, stock, and barrel.
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I did a pretty extensive thread a couple years ago that showed that most coaches that we consider good show a drastic improvement in year two. I often wonder why Tennessee is the exception that constantly makes this " recruit his players" argument?
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't understand why or how my generation and the one before me developed this concept of parenting we see today. My childhood was some of my best years. You respected authority and learned how to be independent. Kids these days, sheesh, I want to smack some of their parents.
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But parents before that wanted to smack those parents too.
 
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