The Christian Taliban

[joevol320]

I think the Jesus part is more important than the genesis part. I don't know he seems pretty important. If you can accept that many parts of the bible, including much of Jesus's own teachings, are stories to teach then there is zero point in having a discussion with you. Furthermore there are many scientific theories. You keep disparaging evolution by shrieking theory.

Jesus part is important, I completely agree, but if people don't believe that God created the earth or that God used evolution to create the earth, then He would be lying and His proclamation that the Bible is true and Holy would be a lie too.

I completely accept Christ's teaching including Luke 17:26.

 

[joevol320]

How old do you believe the earth is?

Do you believe in the literal story of Noah's Ark?

I do believe in the literal story of noah's ark. how did fossils come about, they had to have been sealed very quickly to be preserved.

how did fossil footprints become preserved ? it had to be something that happened quickly and not millions of years.

also, I am in agreement with Christ concerning the flood. in Luke, he specifically confirmed the flood was true.

 

[Septic]

i'm not over simplifying. it comes down to two theories.

evolution believes that something came from nothing and that something randomly evolved through mutations.

creation believes that God created the universe in 7 days.

I believe in creation. I reject the theory that we came from random nothingness

if the bible use evolution in creation, it would have said it.

No. One is a scientific theory, supported by evidence that hasn't been falsified in 200 years. The other is a hypothesis, not a theory. If your hypothesis of creation had evidence - you wouldn't need faith.

That said - if you're going to go down this road - PJ may want to merge this with the god thread. Or not. Either way.

 

[Septic]

evolution believes that something came from nothing and that something randomly evolved through mutations.

creation believes that God created the universe in 7 days.

At some point in this discussion you're going to be asked to reconcile how "something can't come from nothing" and the infinite regression problem of "where did your god come from" is something must have a beginning.

Just warning you, because you seem to be wanting it both ways. Can't do that.

 

[joevol320]

At some point in this discussion you're going to be asked to reconcile how "something can't come from nothing" and the infinite regression problem of "where did your god come from" is something must have a beginning.

Just warning you, because you seem to be wanting it both ways. Can't do that.

I understand what you're saying. I believe that God has always existed. He says he has. I do not think of God as material or matter that was created.

 

[joevol320]

No. One is a scientific theory, supported by evidence that hasn't been falsified in 200 years. The other is a hypothesis, not a theory. If your hypothesis of creation had evidence - you wouldn't need faith.

That said - if you're going to go down this road - PJ may want to merge this with the god thread. Or not. Either way.

my hypothesis of creation has evidence. the evidence of scientific evidence has been proven false over and over again. evolution can also be said to be as much of a hypothesis as creation because the evidence is been proven false. don't kid yourself on that 200 year of evidence.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I do believe in the literal story of noah's ark. how did fossils come about, they had to have been sealed very quickly to be preserved.

how did fossil footprints become preserved ? it had to be something that happened quickly and not millions of years.

also, I am in agreement with Christ concerning the flood. in Luke, he specifically confirmed the flood was true.

There are quite a few here who believe the way you do. Mys3lf included. We have already argued this point by point for about 6000 posts however and most are tired of it. There is a brilliant Pastor who posts here that can clown 99% to 100% of the pseudoscientists that post here using their own evidence and flawed methods of deduction. The fact in the matter is it takes just as much faith to believe that life came from a primordial soup that washed from rocks billions of years ago as it does to believe in creation. I believe it takes more faith actually to believe in all the randomness necessary. Faith is a dirty word to the atheist or agnostic though and you will never get them to admit that abiogenesis is a belief system and not testable, repeatable science as we know it. Their belief system must completely abandon the scientific method itself in order to simply exist and be believed. They will never admit this however.

The real issue here is humanism. while you and i choose to worship a God we cannot see through faith, they worship at the altar of the almighty SELF. The man in the mirror is the center of their universe and man itself is the greatest achievement of evolution.

Dont waste your time here. Pearls and swine..willfull ignorance.

 

[Septic]

I understand what you're saying. I believe that God has always existed. He says he has. I do not think of God as material or matter that was created.

It appears as if you're offering the up gods word through the bible as proof of the claims that are being made through...the bible.

You'll find that what your asserting is a example of question begging aka circular reasoning.

Isn't it intellectually dishonest to demand an an answer to "something from nothing" while standing on a platform that requires an answer to the same question? If you want to have an honest discussion and demand answers - you're going to need to defend your position with something more than "I believe in the bible."

 

[volfanjustin]

Now Walker won't say he believes in evolution.

Carson compares homosexuality to bestiality. Huckabee compares it to alcoholism.
Paul and Christie criticize vaccinations.

Sitting chief judges say they will ignore the Supreme Court if it authorizes gay marriage and knocks down state laws to the contrary as violative of the 14th Amendment.

The GOP leadership is a bunch of religious wackos. They have become the Christian Taliban.

Carson never compared homosexuality to bestiality, NEVER. But like I have always said, its very clear to tell when the left is scared of someone.

 

[bamawriter]

if you believe in evolution and god, you believe in a different god and not the God of the Bible.

As a Christian believing that God set evolution on its course, I can tell you that your thoughts are at odds with Scripture. A notable bit of evolution happens in Genesis 3:14:

The Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this,
cursed are you among all animals
and among all wild creatures;
upon your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life...

God sent the serpent onto its belly. Which means that the serpent wasn't on its belly at first, so it had legs. A species changed physically, right there in Genesis.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

if you believe in evolution and god, you believe in a different god and not the God of the Bible.

The funniest part about all this is it's quite obvious you've given your religious beliefs hardly a fraction of the skepticism you've given evolution.

If you judged your religion the same way you judge evolution, there's no way you'd believe it either.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

i'm not over simplifying. it comes down to two theories.

evolution believes that something came from nothing and that something randomly evolved through mutations.

creation believes that God created the universe in 7 days.

I believe in creation. I reject the theory that we came from random nothingness

if the bible use evolution in creation, it would have said it.

My goodness you are ignorant.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

where did it come from? you can't give me any evidence that something came from nothing. until you can prove that, all this other stuff is irrelevant.

when you prove something came from nothing then we can discuss this silliness.

Why don't you prove creation happened like the Bible described?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

As a Christian believing that God set evolution on its course, I can tell you that your thoughts are at odds with Scripture. A notable bit of evolution happens in Genesis 3:14:



God sent the serpent onto its belly. Which means that the serpent wasn't on its belly at first, so it had legs. A species changed physically, right there in Genesis.

Apparently they used to talk too....

 

[Septic]

my hypothesis of creation has evidence. the evidence of scientific evidence has been proven false over and over again. evolution can also be said to be as much of a hypothesis as creation because the evidence is been proven false. don't kid yourself on that 200 year of evidence.

:blink:

I don't even know where to begin...

 

[VolsSportsFan]

There are quite a few here who believe the way you do. Mys3lf included. We have already argued this point by point for about 6000 posts however and most are tired of it. There is a brilliant Pastor who posts here that can clown 99% to 100% of the pseudoscientists that post here using their own evidence and flawed methods of deduction. The fact in the matter is it takes just as much faith to believe that life came from a primordial soup that washed from rocks billions of years ago as it does to believe in creation. I believe it takes more faith actually to believe in all the randomness necessary. Faith is a dirty word to the atheist or agnostic though and you will never get them to admit that abiogenesis is a belief system and not testable, repeatable science as we know it. Their belief system must completely abandon the scientific method itself in order to simply exist and be believed. They will never admit this however.

The real issue here is humanism. while you and i choose to worship a God we cannot see through faith, they worship at the altar of the almighty SELF. The man in the mirror is the center of their universe and man itself is the greatest achievement of evolution.

Dont waste your time here. Pearls and swine..willfull ignorance.

What a complete crock of back-patting BS.

 

[bamawriter]

also, I am in agreement with Christ concerning the flood. in Luke, he specifically confirmed the flood was true.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Jesus taught primarily thru parables. It is possible, or even likely, that he was telling a parable in Luke 17.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

What a complete crock of back-patting BS.

An insult from a confused catholic is a compliment to me bro. Keep twisting that scripture to comform to modern society. And idolizing the pope and mary...

Edit..wrong guy i think. You may just be an %+×=€££¥...not a catholic.

 

[joevol320]

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Jesus taught primarily thru parables. It is possible, or even likely, that he was telling a parable in Luke 17.

yet, you don't know. my guess is that you've not studied the Bible. that was not a parable.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

An insult from a confused catholic is a compliment to me bro. Keep twisting that scripture to comform to modern society. And idolizing the pope and mary...

Now I'm a Gator fan and a Catholic; this just keeps getting better.

If you call me a Vandy fan, it's on!

 

[VolsSportsFan]

yet, you don't know. my guess is that you've not studied the Bible. that was not a parable.

My guess is you haven't studied much at all.

 

[Septic]

What a complete crock of back-patting BS.

Marcus has never argued for his YEC position as far as I can remember; he elects just to pop in to tell us non-believers 'how it is'. He's like a poor mans Smokey, real good at telling us how someone else has knocked us the f*** out. I suspect it's less about lack of testicular fortitude than it is about lack of cerebral brawn.

 

[lawgator1]

I suppose I should not be so judgmental of where these churches are. But my impression is that they are money making scams.

 

[Grand Vol]

Now I'm a Gator fan and a Catholic; this just keeps getting better.

If you call me a Vandy fan, it's on!

Do you have a life sized poster of Derek Mason on your living room wall?

 

[Grand Vol]

I suppose I should not be so judgmental of where these churches are. But my impression is that they are money making scams.

Couldn't be that the congregation isn't that large and the rent price was right.

That never occurs in this world.