The Bruce Pearl Thread

[Grey_pilgrim]

I don't care what you posted. Anyone with half a brain can copy and paste. Pearl didn't commit a minor violation. See, there is your ignorance showing again. He lied to the governing body of his sport and then tried to get others to lie to cover it up. That's a major violation and the reason he got a 3 year show cause. If he had come clean up front, then yes, it's a minor violation, but he didn't. He screwed himself and UT in the process.

Name me one school where a coach got a show cause and that same school rehired the same coach. I'll wait.

The violation he actually committed was a minor one lying about it is what upset the NCAA. Hammy could've handled the situation a lot better but instead found one more way to screw UT.

You seem to harbor some disdain for Pearl.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Oh hell do u even pay attention......the NCAA even changed a rule in place so cam could play bc auburn got a lawyer......the ncaa will back down if u stand strong.

Bruce Pearl lied and then admitted to lying to the NCAA. Cam never wavered from his story. Maybe if Pearl had denied it all along (even though the pic was clearly at his house) then he could've hired a lawyer and argued otherwise. However, he admitted to lying. I don't know how more cut and dried that can be for you. Obviously, you can't reason with that fact.

 

[volbeast33]

Bruce Pearl lied and then admitted to lying to the NCAA. Cam never wavered from his story. Maybe if Pearl had denied it all along (even though the pic was clearly at his house) then he could've hired a lawyer and argued otherwise. However, he admitted to lying. I don't know how more cut and dried that can be for you. Obviously, you can't reason with that fact.

It was proven that cams dad tried to secure monetary payment for his sons services which is a major violation.....the NCAA changed their rule and decided to let him play bc cam didn't know about it. They flat out changed the rule.

 

[OrangeBalls]

The violation he actually committed was a minor one lying about it is what upset the NCAA. Hammy could've handled the situation a lot better but instead found one more way to screw UT.

You seem to harbor some disdain for Pearl.

Yeah, his initial screw up was minor. Hosting a recruit at his house. When he lied about it and then came back and told the NCAA he lied it then became a major violation.

Anyone that gets UT in trouble with possible probation/sanctions would tend to annoy most rational people. Maybe you like to see UT cheat and get hammered by the NCAA. I don't.

 

[OrangeBalls]

It was proven that cams dad tried to secure monetary payment for his sons services which is a major violation.....the NCAA changed their rule and decided to let him play bc cam didn't know about it. They flat out changed the rule.

And that doesn't have a damn thing to do with Pearl and his show cause.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Name one u would want to hire if there was no show cause involved......the only one whose show cause has elapsed is Sampson and there is now way to prove if he would rather stay in the NBA or not

Again, name me a coach that has had a show cause and he was rehired by that same school. You seem to have trouble finding that for me. You're living in a fantasy land.

 

[volbeast33]

And that doesn't have a damn thing to do with Pearl and his show cause.

It's the same thing like Manziel gets a lawyer misses one half of a football game forselling thousand of dollars worth of merchandise....AJ green no lawyer and gets four games for selling a jersey for less than a thousand dollars.

 

[volbeast33]

Again, name me a coach that has had a show cause and he was rehired by that same school. You seem to have trouble finding that for me. You're living in a fantasy land.

U have to have coaches available to hire one.....name one that hasn't been hired bc he had a show cause.

 

[OrangeBalls]

It's the same thing like Manziel gets a lawyer misses one half of a football game forselling thousand of dollars worth of merchandise....AJ green no lawyer and gets four games for selling a jersey for less than a thousand dollars.

Bruce missed his chance at getting his own lawyer when he met with the NCAA. It's over. He's not coming back. I don't know why you can't come to grips with that.

 

[Freak]

Just out of curiosity, what is everyone so afraid the NCAA would do if Tennessee hired Pearl, camp out and find more secondary violations? Who cares?

And why would it be different if Tennessee hired him rather than any other school? The university had nothing to do with the lie, and that's the only real issue here. Severe punishment was dealt and served. I think it might be different had the school been involved and directly punished. But it wasn't.

I'm pretty sure even the NCAA realizes Pearl's punishment was harsh by today's standards. And as for Mike Slive, if he allows Frank Haith in the league I can't imagine why he would object to Pearl.

I'm not condoning or advocating anything here. Just curious as to the thought process behind the argument.

 

[volbeast33]

Bruce missed his chance at getting his own lawyer when he met with the NCAA. It's over. He's not coming back. I don't know why you can't come to grips with that.

I could care less who our coach is as long as he wins

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Yeah, his initial screw up was minor. Hosting a recruit at his house. When he lied about it and then came back and told the NCAA he lied it then became a major violation.

Anyone that gets UT in trouble with possible probation/sanctions would tend to annoy most rational people. Maybe you like to see UT cheat and get hammered by the NCAA. I don't.

What Pearl did is going on at every major university in America and for the most part it goes unnoticed by the NCAA.

I can understand why you and others would avoid Pearl, but for me I would love to have him back.

 

[OrangeBalls]

U have to have coaches available to hire one.....name one that hasn't been hired bc he had a show cause.

You're not even making sense. Only one coach has gotten a head coaching gig after he got a show cause and that was Bozeman who is now at Morgan St. There has never been one to get a job with the same school after he got one. Again, you're living in a fantasy land.

 

[Slydell]

Here's my problem with this Pearl issue. If I had any respect for the AA and their ability to police the programs equally and fairly, then my opinion would swing towards their resolution of the matter at hand. But, since they've been exposed as mindless twits that get butthurt and look the other way in some infractions while doling out egregious penalties for being lied to in another matter, doesn't reflect well on their governing body. In the courts, if someone is prosecuted for a crime that he lied about and said he didn't do, there is no extra penalty for the lie when convicted. I understand the concept of the AA but can't follow how they are not accountable for their own failures.

 

[OrangeBalls]

What Pearl did is going on at every major university in America and for the most part it goes unnoticed by the NCAA.

I can understand why you and others would avoid Pearl, but for me I would love to have him back.

No, not every coach is lying to the NCAA about minor violations and asking others to cover it up.

 

[volbeast33]

You're not even making sense. Only one coach has gotten a head coaching gig after he got a show cause and that was Bozeman who is now at Morgan St. There has never been one to get a job with the same school after he got one. Again, you're living in a fantasy land.

Name a coach that has gotten a show cause that any team would want to hire even if they didnt have show cause.....there was also an assistant with a show cause hired to be a head coach.

 

[Slydell]

No, not every coach is lying to the NCAA about minor violations and asking others to cover it up.

So, a lie equals a death sentence by the AA? That's quite a group of asshats doing that.

 

[Freak]

Just out of curiosity, what is everyone so afraid the NCAA would do if Tennessee hired Pearl, camp out and find more secondary violations? Who cares?

And why would it be different if Tennessee hired him rather than any other school? The university had nothing to do with the lie, and that's the only real issue here. Severe punishment was dealt and served. I think it might be different had the school been involved and directly punished. But it wasn't.

I'm pretty sure even the NCAA realizes Pearl's punishment was harsh by today's standards. And as for Mike Slive, if he allows Frank Haith in the league I can't imagine why he would object to Pearl.

I'm not condoning or advocating anything here. Just curious as to the thought process behind the argument.

And what about Clint Hurtt? Jurich at Louisville seems pretty well respected and he doesn't appear to be afraid of the NCAA. What am I overlooking in that situation?

 

[OrangeBalls]

Just out of curiosity, what is everyone so afraid the NCAA would do if Tennessee hired Pearl, camp out and find more secondary violations? Who cares?

And why would it be different if Tennessee hired him rather than any other school? The university had nothing to do with the lie, and that's the only real issue here. Severe punishment was dealt and served. I think it might be different had the school been involved and directly punished. But it wasn't.

I'm pretty sure even the NCAA realizes Pearl's punishment was harsh by today's standards. And as for Mike Slive, if he allows Frank Haith in the league I can't imagine why he would object to Pearl.

I'm not condoning or advocating anything here. Just curious as to the thought process behind the argument.

Because UT is on probation and any violation they commit falls under the repeat offender. The NCAA would be looking for anything to show their power. I would be more reluctant if it weren't for that, but the NCAA is full of nothing but egotistical lawyers. They don't like it when you try to show them up and lie to them. Forget that they are corrupt and inept. Most people realize this. However, until the presidents vote and can come up with something better, that is what we'll be stuck with.

 

[Freak]

No, not every coach is lying to the NCAA about minor violations and asking others to cover it up.

Agree. But Haith paid others to cover up.

 

[OrangeBalls]

So, a lie equals a death sentence by the AA? That's quite a group of asshats doing that.

If you look at past cases, yes, when you lie to the NCAA you usually get hammered pretty hard.

 

[FiremedicVOL127]

Speak English please.

I understood it just fine!

 

[Freak]

Because UT is on probation and any violation they commit falls under the repeat offender. The NCAA would be looking for anything to show their power. I would be more reluctant if it weren't for that, but the NCAA is full of nothing but egotistical lawyers. They don't like it when you try to show them up and lie to them. Forget that they are corrupt and inept. Most people realize this. However, until the presidents vote and can come up with something better, that is what we'll be stuck with.

Isn't Tennessess's probabation over this year?

And the AA has had plenty of recent opportunity to flex its muscle and has chosen not to do so.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

No, not every coach is lying to the NCAA about minor violations and asking others to cover it up.

Your twisting my words a little but in case that's what you thought I meant, what I meant was having a recruit at your house for a barbecue. Those type of violations are going on everywhere.

 

[Slydell]

Because UT is on probation and any violation they commit falls under the repeat offender. The NCAA would be looking for anything to show their power. I would be more reluctant if it weren't for that, but the NCAA is full of nothing but egotistical lawyers. They don't like it when you try to show them up and lie to them. Forget that they are corrupt and inept. Most people realize this. However, until the presidents vote and can come up with something better, that is what we'll be stuck with.

If you look at past cases, yes, when you lie to the NCAA you usually get hammered pretty hard.

And, IMO, those are the things that need to be fixed. The AA needs to be more even in the power they yield or they need to be abolished and replaced with an equal minded authority that fairly legislates every avenue within their control.