The Bruce Pearl Thread

[jtlhotspot]

About the same as Fulmer or Majors returning to take over the head football coaching reigns.

This has been discussed ad nauseam; the answer is not going to change.

Thanks, makes sense. I have a feeling Im going to get blasted for this thread

 

[Rudy123]

Don't get me wrong, I like Cuanzo but lets say he doesnt work out...what are the odds that Bruce returns?

Was listening to a local sports radio program last week and that same question came up. One of the guys that was instrumental in letting Pearl go, is still at U.T. and before Pearl got re hired, he would have to give his blessing.

It is highly doudtful that he would agree to re hire Pearl after he was instrumental in letting him go in the first place.

Also, Martin will get us to the N.I.T. this season and we will lose in the 1st round. He will remain one more season and 2015, he will be fired. By the time Martin is fired, Pearl will already be at another school.

So, the timing is not good for him to get to U.T. again and there is one person who would likely block him returning to U.T. again.

 

[clay1551]

As much as I would personally love it, I doubt we bring back Bruce.

 

[patrick]

If any team hires pearl before his show cause is up, the university has to go before the NCAA and is subject to receive punishments.

Do you even know what a "show cause" penalty is? The institution hiring the sanctioned coach does not receive any additional punishment for hiring the coach - they simply must abide by the terms of the coach's original punishment given by the NCAA - In CBP's case that would be a prohibition of participating in most recruiting related activities until August 23, 2014.

 

[knowthevols]

The school is to much against winning to bring him back. He will go to Auburn, Alabama, or Georgia so he can kick our butts two or three times a year.

 

[BigZiti09]

Do you even know what a "show cause" penalty is? The institution hiring the sanctioned coach does not receive any additional punishment for hiring the coach - they simply must abide by the terms of the coach's original punishment given by the NCAA - In CBP's case that would be a prohibition of participating in most recruiting related activities until August 23, 2014.

Yes. I know what a show cause penalty is.

Maybe you should look it up.

Here, let me help you.....

Tennessee Volunteers former coach Bruce Pearl and assistants punished by NCAA - ESPN

The language in the show-cause penalty is unique but clear: A school could face its own penalties just for giving Pearl a job.

 

[Fullfillmer]

The school is to much against winning to bring him back. He will go to Auburn, Alabama, or Georgia so he can kick our butts two or three times a year.

Auburn or Georgia - Alabama has a good young coach.

 

[patrick]

Yes. I know what a show cause penalty is.

Maybe you should look it up.

Here, let me help you.....

Tennessee Volunteers former coach Bruce Pearl and assistants punished by NCAA - ESPN

The only penalty is that the institution must abide by the original show cause penalty - nothing more nothing less.

 

[BigZiti09]

The only penalty is that the institution must abide by the original show cause penalty - nothing more nothing less.

No. It's not.

 

[S_One]

This has to be a Troll job. Despite the stupidity sometimes displayed on this board, I refuse to believe that there are UT fans who legitimately think, feel, and would act in this manner.

Unfortunately, that post was serious and hardly anything surprises me with UT fans, on or off this board.

 

[CAVol]

Will never happen.

 

[Stoked]

Should we list the bust his predecessor recruited??

It's a more damning list.

Yes please do. Half of Pearls recruit didn't stay around very long...and it wasn't because they left for the draft either. Yeah Pearl was great when he first got here when he ran that fast pace, but his last few years were frustrating when his offense would just dribble the ball around until the shot clock had 10 seconds on it and then they would just jack a 3 up. I don't particularly like Martins Offense either and I do think that he needs to switch it up a bit. But Pearls wasn't all that either once Lofton and J Smith left.

I'll agree that if CCM doesn't make the dance this year that he should be let go, but I don't want Pearl l back I want another coach.

 

[Stoked]

The school is to much against winning to bring him back. He will go to Auburn, Alabama, or Georgia so he can kick our butts two or three times a year.

The SEC commish is not going to let that happen. If we let CCM go I want someone different not Bruce.

 

[patrick]

No. It's not.

The NCAA cannot hire or fire coaches. Under a show-cause, a school can hire Pearl and that school does not have to appear in front of the committee on infractions to do so. Pearl and a potential employer would have to write a letter to the committee stating they agree to abide by the restrictions and then report back every six months. The only time the hiring school would have to appear in front of the COI is if it wants to challenge the committee's restrictions.

Tennessee Volunteers former coach Bruce Pearl and assistants punished by NCAA - ESPN

You are wrong!!!!!!

 

[knowthevols]

Just hope if Pearl comes back that he passes on the Swiperboy's and Halls. I remember he had a class of Hall and Goins lol. But who cares as long as they are a 4 star he should take them...

It didn't matter how the star count went with Pearl's recruits because he won with whatever he had and we went dancing in the tournament every year.

 

[BruinVol]

Yes please do. Half of Pearls recruit didn't stay around very long...and it wasn't because they left for the draft either. Yeah Pearl was great when he first got here when he ran that fast pace, but his last few years were frustrating when his offense would just dribble the ball around until the shot clock had 10 seconds on it and then they would just jack a 3 up. I don't particularly like Martins Offense either and I do think that he needs to switch it up a bit. But Pearls wasn't all that either once Lofton and J Smith left.

I'll agree that if CCM doesn't make the dance this year that he should be let go, but I don't want Pearl l back I want another coach.

Here you go:

Waspun
Miller
Edwards
Reese
Cheviots
Yemi


Pretty damning list when considering that's all in 2 classes

 

[cd12]

The NCAA cannot hire or fire coaches. Under a show-cause, a school can hire Pearl and that school does not have to appear in front of the committee on infractions to do so. Pearl and a potential employer would have to write a letter to the committee stating they agree to abide by the restrictions and then report back every six months. The only time the hiring school would have to appear in front of the COI is if it wants to challenge the committee's restrictions.

Tennessee Volunteers former coach Bruce Pearl and assistants punished by NCAA - ESPN

You are wrong!!!!!!

So why hasn't he been hired?

 

[BigZiti09]

The NCAA cannot hire or fire coaches. Under a show-cause, a school can hire Pearl and that school does not have to appear in front of the committee on infractions to do so. Pearl and a potential employer would have to write a letter to the committee stating they agree to abide by the restrictions and then report back every six months. The only time the hiring school would have to appear in front of the COI is if it wants to challenge the committee's restrictions.

Tennessee Volunteers former coach Bruce Pearl and assistants punished by NCAA - ESPN

You are wrong!!!!!!

I'm not.

The language in the show-cause penalty is unique but clear: A school could face its own penalties just for giving Pearl a job.

It is a given that Pearl's restrictions would stand. UT avoided possible worse penalties had UT kept Pearl. The same penalties that another school would risk getting if they hire Pearl before his show cause is up.

Bruce Pearl's Show-Cause Penalty And What It Means For His Coaching Future - SBNation.com

NCAA slaps Pearl with three-year show-cause | Nooga.com

To comply with the NCAA show-cause rule, any school potentially interested in hiring Pearl will need to explain to the committee on infractions why it wants to hire the coach. From there, the school agrees to be prepared to face any potential penalties it could receive for giving him the job.

 

[knowthevols]

Yes. I know what a show cause penalty is.

Maybe you should look it up.

Here, let me help you.....

Tennessee Volunteers former coach Bruce Pearl and assistants punished by NCAA - ESPN

What it says is that the school that hired them would have to abide the penalties laid down, nothing more.

 

[BigZiti09]

Here you go:

Waspun
Miller
Edwards
Reese
Cheviots
Yemi


Pretty damning list when considering that's all in 2 classes

Washpun, Miller, Chevious and Yemi were all signed on short notice because of the situation Bruce Pearl left us in. Those recruits belong to Bruce moreso than Cuonzo.

 

[BigZiti09]

What it says is that the school that hired them would have to abide the penalties laid down, nothing more.

Wrong. See above post.

 

[knowthevols]

So why hasn't he been hired?

One of the penalties of his show cause is that he is barred from recruiting. That's why.

 

[patrick]

So why hasn't he been hired?

because he cannot recruit until his show cause penalty expires which is in August of 2014. Per the AA ruling against CBP he cannot participate in the following until such time as his show cause penalty expires or the AA retracts/modifies/amends it ruling:

13.02.13 Recruiting. Recruiting is any solicitation of a prospective student-athlete or a prospective studentathlete’s
relatives (or legal guardians) by an institutional staff member or by a representative of the institution’s
athletics interests for the purpose of securing the prospective student-athlete’s enrollment and ultimate participation
in the institution’s intercollegiate athletics program.
13.02.13.1 Recruited Prospective Student-Athlete. Actions by staff members or athletics representatives
that cause a prospective student-athlete to become a recruited prospective student-athlete at that institution
are: (Revised: 1/10/90, 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, 1/10/05 effective 8/01/05)
(a) Providing the prospective student-athlete with an official visit; (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94)
(b) Having an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective
student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians; (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94)
(c) Initiating or arranging a telephone contact with the prospective student-athlete, the prospective studentathlete’s
relatives or legal guardians on more than one occasion for the purpose of recruitment; or (Revised:
1/11/94 effective 8/1/94)
(d) Issuing a National Letter of Intent or the institution’s written offer of athletically related financial aid to
the prospective student-athlete. Issuing a written offer of athletically related financial aid to a prospective
student-athlete to attend a summer session prior to full-time enrollment does not cause the prospective
student-athlete to become recruited. (Adopted: 1/10/05 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/13/05)

NCAA Rules...

So if you are an AD and your job is on the line to make a good hire - do you walk out on that limb and hire a coach who is currently serving a penalty that prohibits him from recruiting?????

 

[BigZiti09]

One of the penalties of his show cause is that he is barred from recruiting. That's why.

It's not. If that were the case a school would hire Pearl and let him hire assistants who do all the off campus recruiting. He's a good enough coach that he could pull it off.

The reason he hasn't been hired is that any school that hires him before August 23, 2014 is subject to receive NCAA penalties.

And nobody wants to give NCAA a reason to flex their muscles. They wouldn't have to do any investigation or prove anything. All they would have to do is issue punishment.

 

[knowthevols]

I'm not.



It is a given that Pearl's restrictions would stand. UT avoided possible worse penalties had UT kept Pearl. The same penalties that another school would risk getting if they hire Pearl before his show cause is up.

Bruce Pearl's Show-Cause Penalty And What It Means For His Coaching Future - SBNation.com

NCAA slaps Pearl with three-year show-cause | Nooga.com

These are opinions and I wish we would hire him back and the NCAA try and punish the school. It's actionable at law and we could pay off all the ex coaches with the proceeds from such action.