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Would you be for Bruce Pearl's return if Martin is fired after next year?


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There are so many issues with this question.

First off, had Pearl remained the coach, the sanctions for the program would've have been more severe. In large part, UT dodged major bullets from the NCAA because the major culprits for the violations (Kiffin, Hamilton, & Pearl) were no longer apart of the University. So that has to be factored into any question like this.

Secondly, anyone who thinks that we would've been Top 25 last year is greatly mistaken. I know we like to view Pearl as the savior, but last year's team (2011-12) just had a severe lack of talent. The perceived level of talent was so bad that the team was picked to finish second to last in the SEC by the Coaches. I know lots of fans think Pearl would've "coached em up," but it's hard to believe if Pearl, who only went 3-5 with a squad of Hopson, Tobias, Goins, B. Williams, and Tatum would've fared much better with the likes of McBee, Golden, etc. as your starters. Pearl was great, but I think Top 25 is a great stretch with last year's team (especially considering he probably would not have had Stokes--CCM recruit/commit).

Stokes was more likely to come here with Pearl and Forbes than he was with CCM. That one was in the bag and Stokes has said as much.

Pearl also would have Chris Jones and Kevin Ware on the line, and whoever else he brought in between then and now.

He wouldn't have had to reach for Wes Washpun, Yemi Makanjoula, Quinton Chievous, Derek Reese, Rawane Ndiaye, etc.

Flipside to this...penalties would have kept us out of the postseason, not a lack of talent. Point is moot. He's gone, and he knows he blew his career in coaching. Hope he learned a lesson.
 
Basically we need to get on our knees and beg for Pearl to come back after next season. CCM is an alright coach, but if you think we'll ever be where Pearl could take us, even AFTER his suspension, you're crazy.

Get over your butthurt feelings that Pearl made a mistake and acknowledge that Pearl is 10 times the coach CCM will ever be.

I think you are confused about who would be on their knees and begging to reconcile that relationship.
 
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Basically we need to get on our knees and beg for Pearl to come back after next season. CCM is an alright coach, but if you think we'll ever be where Pearl could take us, even AFTER his suspension, you're crazy.

Get over your butthurt feelings that Pearl made a mistake and acknowledge that Pearl is 10 times the coach CCM will ever be.

So much fail here. I won't give a lengthy response because you're obviously team Pearl.

However, I don't think it's crazy to think that CCM can "get us to where Pearl did." The biggest Pearl accomplishment was the Elite 8 appearance. Given the right amount of talent, which CCM has lacked so far, I do think he can accomplish that. It's not crazy to think he can.

To your second point. Is Pearl a better coach that CCM? At this point, I guess you have to say yes. Is he "ten times better"? No, he is not.
 
So much fail here. I won't give a lengthy response because you're obviously team Pearl.

However, I don't think it's crazy to think that CCM can "get us to where Pearl did." The biggest Pearl accomplishment was the Elite 8 appearance. Given the right amount of talent, which CCM has lacked so far, I do think he can accomplish that. It's not crazy to think he can.

To your second point. Is Pearl a better coach that CCM? At this point, I guess you have to say yes. Is he "ten times better"? No, he is not.

I would say 6 straight NCAA appearances is a big accomplishment at UT. Like to see it done again.
 
Jerry Green NCAA Tourney record 3-5 - 4 NCAA appearances at UT - 1 Sweet 16.

Bruce Pearl 10-8 - 6 NCAA appearances at UT - 3 Sweet 16's - 1 Elite 8.
 
So much fail here. I won't give a lengthy response because you're obviously team Pearl.

However, I don't think it's crazy to think that CCM can "get us to where Pearl did." The biggest Pearl accomplishment was the Elite 8 appearance. Given the right amount of talent, which CCM has lacked so far, I do think he can accomplish that. It's not crazy to think he can.

To your second point. Is Pearl a better coach that CCM? At this point, I guess you have to say yes. Is he "ten times better"? No, he is not.

So I'm not worth your time to discuss Pearl just because you know I support him? Lol that's mature. By your logic, there should never be discussion and debate between opposite sides, because it would be a waste of time.

Bottom line: Pearl > CCM. It's that simple. Pearl brought this basketball program back into relevancy after decades of mediocrity. CCM is a fine coach, but he will never get us back to where Pearl had us, as a consistent top 25 team year in and out, and a dangerous March Madness team. So if CCM is average at best, and we have a chance to bring Pearl back, why are you guys so opposed to it? Pearl is the far superior coach.

The only two arguments I see are: He violated rules, and it's very unlikely. First of all, Tennessee is getting desperate. We're sucking it up, and if we don't make some noise next year, we should be in panic mode. Suck up any short penalty we may get for being coached by Pearl, and focus on rebuilding and winning. Pearl knows this would be his last chance, so he'll be good. It's very possible that we can bring him back after next season.

I remember seeing Bruce Pearl around campus, and at UT sporting events of all types.. he seemed like the happiest man alive. He is a true VFL.
 
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I agree, Pearl does seem to be all orange still. Takes every chance he gets to talk up Tennessee when he is on ESPN. I just don't see a (realistic) scenario where he returns..
 
Uh, no. You're not following.

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Some of you guys are terrible about defending your own opinions. Refuting my opinion without providing anything to back yourself up is childish. Don't think I'm worth your time? See me last post on this thread.

Pearl would love to come back here, and if we have another bad season, we'll want him back as much as he wants to be back. But in the end it's not up to us, as we don't make coaching decisions. So we'll have to beg to whoever does make that decision.

Are you following me yet?
 
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Some of you guys are terrible about defending your own opinions. Refuting my opinion without providing anything to back yourself up is childish. Don't think I'm worth your time? See me last post on this thread.

Pearl would love to come back here, and if we have another bad season, we'll want him back as much as he wants to be back. But in the end it's not up to us, as we don't make coaching decisions. So we'll have to beg to whoever does make that decision.

Are you following me yet?

This is why he said we shouldn't be the ones on our kness begging him, it'll be pearl on his knees begging Hart (the guy who makes those decisions).
 
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Some of you guys are terrible about defending your own opinions. Refuting my opinion without providing anything to back yourself up is childish. Don't think I'm worth your time? See me last post on this thread.

Pearl would love to come back here, and if we have another bad season, we'll want him back as much as he wants to be back. But in the end it's not up to us, as we don't make coaching decisions. So we'll have to beg to whoever does make that decision.

Are you following me yet?

I assumed if you hadn't figured it out yet, it probably wasn't worth my effort to explain it, but here goes.

You assume that we would have to beg and plead on our hands and knees to have Pearl grace us with his presence on the sidelines again, should Martin fail.

In your second attempt to decipher what i thought was perfectly clear, you then say we would have to beg Dave Hart to rehire him.

Again, you're not getting it.

Bruce Pearl would crawl on his hands and knees from his HT Hackney office to Hart's office for the opportunity to get back on the sidelines at UT. It would be him begging for his job back, not the fans who he stabbed in the back. There is a large faction of fans willing to turn a blind eye to his transgressions and misdeeds, which is sad. It's more a reflection of our society's desire to win at all costs moreso than a reflection of our desire to be forgiving and adopt a redemptive spirit.

Tennessee WAS his second chance. Why do you think he has learned his lesson now?

Anyone willing to beg him to come back is a glutton for punishment. That's not to say I wouldn't support our team if (and it's a BIG "if"...almost unworthy of discussion) he returned at some point. I was a huge Pearl fan, but I wouldn't ever beg him to come back, nor would I spend an ounce of effort pleading a case to Dave Hart on Pearl's behalf.

He made his bed. Sorry or not, it makes no difference.

Hope that "defends my argument" adequately for you.
 
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I figured if you hadn't got it figured out yet, it probably wasn't worth my effort to explain it, but here goes.

You assume that we would have to beg and plead on our hands and knees to have Pearl grace us with his presence on the sidelines again, should Martin fail.

In your second attempt to decipher what i thought was perfectly clear, you then say we would have to beg Dave Hart to rehire him.

Again, you're not getting it.

Bruce Pearl would crawl on his hands and knees from his HT Hackney office to Hart's office for the opportunity to get back on the sidelines at UT. It would be him begging for his job back, not the fans who he stabbed in the back. There is a large faction of fans willing to turn a blind eye to his transgressions and misdeeds, which is sad. It's more a reflection of our society's desire to win at all costs moreso than a reflection of our desire to be forgiving and adopt a redemptive spirit.

Tennessee WAS his second chance. Why do you think he has learned his lesson now?

Anyone willing to beg him to come back is a glutton for punishment. That's not to say I wouldn't support our team if (and it's a BIG "if"...almost unworthy of discussion) he returned at some point. I was a huge Pearl fan, but I wouldn't ever beg him to come back, nor would I spend an ounce of effort pleading a case to Dave Hart on Pearl's behalf.

He made his bed. Sorry or not, it makes no difference.

Hope that "defends my argument" adequately for you.

That's better than a post like "no, you're wrong" which adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Pearl and the UT basketball program will be in equal desperation if we have another poor season. Yes, Pearl would be the one begging to come back, but as a fan, I would also be begging for him to come back too. See how that works both ways? The whole "equally desperate" concept.

I would see this as Pearl's real second chance. He knows that if he screws up again, he will probably never coach in a major conference again. Sure it would be a bit of a risk, but I'll take that risk over suffering through lackluster seasons with coaches like Martin, and whoever else we scrape off the bottom of the s**t barrel. The reward of bringing Pearl back far outweighs the risk. Or we can not bring him back, and accept the reality that Tennessee Basketball will never be what it used to be. Your choice.
 
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That's better than a post like "no, you're wrong" which adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Pearl and the UT basketball program will be in equal desperation if we have another poor season. Yes, Pearl would be the one begging to come back, but as a fan, I would also be begging for him to come back too. See how that works both ways? The whole "equally desperate" concept.

I would see this as Pearl's real second chance. He knows that if he screws up again, he will probably never coach in a major conference again. Sure it would be a bit of a risk, but I'll take that risk over suffering through lackluster seasons with coaches like Martin, and whoever else we scrape off the bottom of the s**t barrel. The reward of bringing Pearl back far outweighs the risk. Or we can not bring him back, and accept the reality that Tennessee Basketball will never be what it used to be. Your choice.

First, my original response was a little less cryptic and shallow than, " No, you're wrong." You just didn't get it. Not my fault. You seem to be in the minority there.

Secondly, there are other coaches out there besides Bruce Pearl. He isn't the end all, be all of coaching candidates. We caught lightning in a bottle with him at a time when we needed his unique style as a marketer as much as a coach. Tennessee basketball doesn't necessarily need that anymore. I don't see how you view him as low risk. His tarnished reputation would be difficult enough to overcome in the living rooms of parents with a shred of moral fiber.

To each their own, but I for one, sure as heck won't be "begging" him to come back. There are too many other good coaches out there looking for their first chance to give Pearl a third chance.
 
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Pearl and the UT basketball program will be in equal desperation if we have another poor season. Yes, Pearl would be the one begging to come back, but as a fan, I would also be begging for him to come back too. See how that works both ways? The whole "equally desperate" concept.

Maybe you'll be begging for his return, but what you said was that we (Tennessee) "need to be." That is not and will not ever be the case.

I would see this as Pearl's real second chance. He knows that if he screws up again, he will probably never coach in a major conference again.

This is pretty close to the situation already. He may coach in a major conference, but it won't be at a major program.

Or we can not bring him back, and accept the reality that Tennessee Basketball will never be what it used to be. Your choice.

Because we can ONLY be good under Bruce Pearl and no one else? C'mon, man.
 
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So I'm not worth your time to discuss Pearl just because you know I support him? Lol that's mature.

It's nothing personal against you, but one thing I've learned from message boards is: if someone is hellbent on a side or opinion (i.e. avatars, usernames, etc. reference their opinion), try not to argue with them. It just gets extremely frustrating and neither person's opinion will change as a result of the conversation.

Bottom line: Pearl > CCM. It's that simple. Pearl brought this basketball program back into relevancy after decades of mediocrity. CCM is a fine coach, but he will never get us back to where Pearl had us, as a consistent top 25 team year in and out, and a dangerous March Madness team.

First, it's not that simple. Yes, Pearl seems to be the superior coach (at this point), but there are other things must be considered. The NCAA sanctions, effect on the program, impact on recruiting, whether he will re-offend and what those penalties might include. All those things have to be considered. Thus, when you consider those factors, the difference between Pearl's coaching ability to CCM is significantly reduced, and IMO completely eliminated. Any benefits are greatly outweighed.

To the actual substance of your assertions, I disagree that CCM can never get us there. We don't know at this point. CCM was given a tough job. The cubbard was greatly bare when he took over. The short turnaround after he was hired and uncertainty regarding NCAA sanctions made it tough to recruit that first year. While CCM has failed to make the tournament both seasons, I don't know how much better Pearl would've faired. I don't think Pearl would've made the tourney with the team CCM was given his first year. I do think Pearl probably would've had the most recent team in the tournament--only because his experience as a coach would've better enabled him to cope with the Maymon loss. CCM finally adjusted to the loss, but his experience didn't allow him to do it as quickly.

The only two arguments I see are: He violated rules, and it's very unlikely. First of all, Tennessee is getting desperate. We're sucking it up, and if we don't make some noise next year, we should be in panic mode.

I don't think, at all, that the university is getting desperate. Basketball attendance rose the previous year. So, that won't really factor into the decision. Dave Hart is a former basketball player, and I think he understands the situation and will be a lot more patient than most fans, which is good. He knows and understands the hand that CCM was dealt. Now, that is not an excuse to revel in mediocrity, but at this point, it's just not fair to judge CCM's legacy. I truly think this season will be the one to judge. After he has a roster full of SEC level talent to compete against any team in the league.

and at UT sporting events of all types.. he seemed like the happiest man alive. He is a true VFL.

And yes, Pearl seems true VFL, but he did lots of things to hurt this program. So his love for the university can't be used to gloss over those things. A guy can seem in love when you see him with his wife and family, but that doesn't let him off the hook if he cheats on his wife.
 
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