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VOL-TIL-I-DIE said:
Shula only coached Bama from 2003-2006 he got an extension of 6 years in 05’ after the 10-2 season. He didn’t come back in 07’ Saban came in and they paid Shula 4m to leave Tuscaloosa.
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Exactly. 4 years as I noted and his buyout was small.

Isn’t Pruitt’s >$12M and the staff closer to $19m? Did you start a GoFund me? I will do at $20 to it.
 
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Vol4life2 said:
Exactly. 4 years as I noted and his buyout was small.

Isn’t Pruitt’s >$12M and the staff closer to $19m? Did you start a GoFund me? I will do at $20 to it.
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Unfortunately his buyout plus staff would probably net like you said 19-20 some odd million. I just want some decent UT football back. I really really don’t want to eat more cornbread next year; it’s stale and outdated.
 
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Vol4life2 said:
Exactly. 4 years as I noted and his buyout was small.

Isn’t Pruitt’s >$12M and the staff closer to $19m? Did you start a GoFund me? I will do at $20 to it.
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That wasn't a small buyout at the time. Saban's 4 million a year contract at that time was almost 2x more than the highest paid coach in the country at the time. Coaching salaries and buyouts have boomed in the last decade with two mega tv contracts.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
We are not firing because we do not have good options for the replacement. No one at UT is happy with Pruitt’s performance.
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When will there be a good option?

Offer $7M to Campbell. Cheaper than more buyouts.

Freeze is better

Herman is better. Texas doesn't want him and he doesn't want them. Take page out of tam/jimbo playbook

Obrien is better. He interested in college?

There is a coach out there somewhere that can come here and make TN competitive again.
 
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EZE said:
BS...it’s about choosing to win...or not. Good Ol’ 3-7 Phil showed us his priority.
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BS to your BS. If you want an exceptional coach the AD needs to make it happen... fully agree. To tell them you must do it by year 3 is too short. No one of substance will bite on that.

FYI. Phil’s priority got us 1 natty. The University and AD got us 15 years of sucking.
 
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Birdie said:
When will there be a good option?

Offer $7M to Campbell. Cheaper than more buyouts.

Freeze is better

Herman is better. Texas doesn't want him and he doesn't want them. Take page out of tam/dabo playbook

Obrien is better. He interested in college?

There is a coach out there somewhere that can come here and make TN competitive again.
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Know about about Campbell and O’Brien, I will have to refresh my memory on them. Freeze and Herman are not good enough options to pay Pruitt a 20m buyout. Freeze is not coming anyway, not just here but to any SEC school. The bottom line is we would struggle to find anyone to come this year just like Auburn is struggling now. Auburn is a better program than UT and look what they are going thru. I don’t like it either. It’s just sad a thousand times over.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Because this kind of thing happens all the time
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It just shows that the winners write the history. Mal Moore may have been a good salesman, but he was also a desperate guy with a checkbook who had things fall in his lap. It took Alabama 3 coaching searches to get from Bryant to Stallings. Then it took them 5 searches to get from Stallings to Saban. They finally got it right, but there’s nothing really special about their process other than throwing cash and a little luck.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
That wasn't a small buyout at the time. Saban's 4 million a year contract at that time was almost 2x more than the highest paid coach in the country at the time. Coaching salaries and buyouts have boomed in the last decade with two mega tv contracts.
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Exactly my point. Thank you. A $4mil buyout in 2005 would normally be $5+ in 2020 just due to inflation. The buyouts now are ludicrous!!!

As the AD you had coaches in all departments reduce their spending and some people probably lost their jobs. Unless he did something illegal this isn’t the year to fire him for a stupid football record.

I love my Vols but everyone will get a pass from me this year.
 
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GAVol said:
It just shows that the winners write the history. Mal Moore may have been a good salesman, but he was also a desperate guy with a checkbook who had things fall in his lap. It took Alabama 3 coaching searches to get from Bryant to Stallings. Then it took them 5 searches to get from Stallings to Saban. They finally got it right, but there’s nothing really special about their process other than throwing cash and a little luck.
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Luck and patience. If the Alabama admin had taken the road that most on VN want our admin to take then Saban would not be at Alabama. 90% of Bama fans wanted him fired after Fran went to A&M. Reminds me of another fan base in the SEC calling for the AD’s head.

Moore was hired to be the AD in 1999 and he didn’t get Saban until 2007. That’s 8 years he was allowed to turn the program around. He went through 3 coaches and was publicly humiliated by a 4th (Rich Rod) before landing Saban. I don’t know if Fulmer will eventually get it done and neither do any of you. He should not be blamed for the last 12 years though. Maybe his luck will turn and our patience will pay off, but he needs the same 8 years Moore got.
 
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VOL-TIL-I-DIE said:
Well Mal Moore understood Mike Shula wasn’t the answer for Alabama. Just as Phil Fulmer should see that in Jeremy Pruitt. People also tend to forget Shula went 10-2 in 2005; followed by a 6-7 year in 2006 and lost his job. Yes folks Mike Shula lost his job for a six win season....Gus lost his job for a six win season. Some on here are totally content with less than mediocre and a six win season. I know we hate Bama, and Florida; but when they see the writing on the wall at least they have the balls to pull the plug.
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Yeah but they both coached their teams longer then 3 yrs. Shula had a 10 win season but he was 4-9, 6-6, & 6-6 in the other 3 yrs plus they got put on probation. Gus was at Auburn for 7 yrs and was pretty successful which tells u he didnt get fired bc of his record their problem is probably much deeper.
 
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EZE said:
But that is what it takes for any organization to be successful...a real leader with a real vision and commitment to success. Why can’t UT have someone like that?
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Short answer, big money but no leadership. UT football is second to personal importance and ego. They have systemically destroyed the brand that was the power T in football.
 
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EZE said:
Why the hell cant Fulmer pull on his big boy britches and be Mal Moore.

I see two feasible coaches out there that I think could knock it out of the park (Campbell and Freeze, in that order). Are the politics at UT and boosters such that you can’t make it happen? If so, WTH can’t it be so?
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Urban Meyer
 
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VOL-TIL-I-DIE said:
Well Mal Moore understood Mike Shula wasn’t the answer for Alabama. Just as Phil Fulmer should see that in Jeremy Pruitt. People also tend to forget Shula went 10-2 in 2005; followed by a 6-7 year in 2006 and lost his job. Yes folks Mike Shula lost his job for a six win season....Gus lost his job for a six win season. Some on here are totally content with less than mediocre and a six win season. I know we hate Bama, and Florida; but when they see the writing on the wall at least they have the balls to pull the plug.
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Bama had been thru similar but not as long losing, but did what it took. I think three things. First, if not for covid, and we had a similar record, he'd be gone. Second, I think covid casts enough doubt (excuse) for Fulmer/UTAD not to have to pony up $$$. Thirdly, if Aub (who's been nowhere near as dysfunctional as UT), is having their go at their version of UT's 3 ring circus, what do you think UT's would look like this time? I think everyone's out of sync b/c of covid, and there's a high potential they'd make matters worse by a change. Waiting until next year to vet a coach (line up behind the scenes) may be the best option...especially keeping talent on the team w/o major exodus. I'm starting to think the best option is to wait for an NFL coach w/ college experience to come on the market, similar to a Saban or Spurrier, who just didn't jive in NFL. Not sure who, but I'm tired of us going after google coaches and thinking things will change.
 
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Saban has built a machine at Bama but everything was in place for it too happen. They'll absolutely do anything to win. Tennessee on the other hand seems to have a power struggle within. Best thing UT fans can do is keep their money in their pocket, watch the games on TV up to the point you have to turn it off from the shatshow you're witnessing ( I did it several times this year). It's not going to get significantly better with Jeremy Pruitt in charge. Keeping Beldar is purely financial IMO. When he goes though Phil needs to be shown the door with him. Why in the world didn't we hire David Blackburn and be done with it? It made too much sense i guess.
 
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EZE said:
I’m going to post this in a new thread BECAUSE it shows how a school (and the powers that matter) got so tired of losing that they checked their egos and made the right move.

Tennessee power brokers are like Jerry Jones right now...they only want to win if it is on their terms.

Ridiculous!

38 Days: How Alabama Pulled off the Great Heist of Nick Saban
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I hope people that read this see Schiano was on the list then as a proven head coach that had 10 wins at Rutgers and he was hired and we was mad because it wasn't Gruden ( I mean because he worked at Penn St) but a proven head coach that knew how to rebuild a program but we ended up with a rookie head coach.
 
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I will continue to say this... Drew Brees going to New Orleans and not Miami is the single biggest free agent move in the history of College Football. The Butterfly Effect from that has had a monstrous impact on the game and in particularly the University of Tennessee.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Don’t
Know about about Campbell and O’Brien, I will have to refresh my memory on them. Freeze and Herman are not good enough options to pay Pruitt a 20m buyout. Freeze is not coming anyway, not just here but to any SEC school. The bottom line is we would struggle to find anyone to come this year just like Auburn is struggling now. Auburn is a better program than UT and look what they are going thru. I don’t like it either. It’s just sad a thousand times over.
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You don't know who Matt Campbell is? Freeze and Herman would win 8-9 games a year here minimum which would be a massive upgrade over any coach we have had since Fulmer. We all want to win championships but we need to become a consistent winner first, we have done that in over a decade. The elitist attitude of this fanbase is ridiculous
 
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EZE said:
I’m going to post this in a new thread BECAUSE it shows how a school (and the powers that matter) got so tired of losing that they checked their egos and made the right move.

Tennessee power brokers are like Jerry Jones right now...they only want to win if it is on their terms.

Ridiculous!

38 Days: How Alabama Pulled off the Great Heist of Nick Saban
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You are right when you say the Tennessee admin only wants to win on their terms. They want to be seen as the smartest people in the room for picking a diamond in the rough coach who eventually succeeds here. It’s pathologic.
 
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njvols said:
Bama had been thru similar but not as long losing, but did what it took. I think three things. First, if not for covid, and we had a similar record, he'd be gone. Second, I think covid casts enough doubt (excuse) for Fulmer/UTAD not to have to pony up $$$. Thirdly, if Aub (who's been nowhere near as dysfunctional as UT), is having their go at their version of UT's 3 ring circus, what do you think UT's would look like this time? I think everyone's out of sync b/c of covid, and there's a high potential they'd make matters worse by a change. Waiting until next year to vet a coach (line up behind the scenes) may be the best option...especially keeping talent on the team w/o major exodus. I'm starting to think the best option is to wait for an NFL coach w/ college experience to come on the market, similar to a Saban or Spurrier, who just didn't jive in NFL. Not sure who, but I'm tired of us going after google coaches and thinking things will change.
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I can get behind an NFL caliber coach. I just UT to focus on one bleeping thing and that’s winning college football games that mean something. Such as Alabama, Florida, and UGA.
 
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