The Best Football HC We're Hired in 30 Years ...

#77
#77
Orangeblooded615 said:
Bro when the entire fan base at his last job is haply he is gone, that is not a good sign... consistently got worse with a fully loaded talented team. What makes you think he is is going to be able to recruit here and build success when he couldn't sustain it at his last place? What a bunt of a hire.
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Name his fully loaded talented players. How many 4 and 5 stars did he inherit from Frost? Did I miss UCF out recruiting Bama one year?
 
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Jaws said:
I’m all for positivity and optimism, but this is a bit too optimistic. The best offensive staffs in football over the last couple years have NOT been at UCF. There’s a long list to run through before you get to them. And yes, I know they have gaudy stats, but so does Kent State, North Texas, Arkansas State and Toledo. The best offensive staffs reside at Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Florida, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Texas (now) and many others before you get to UCF.
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You do realize that Ole Miss's OC was UCF's OC under Heupel in 2018 and '19 right?

Lebby is arguably the best OC in the nation over the past 3 years. He was at UCF in '18 and '19 and Ole Miss last year.

Like I said ... this is a "if he gets Lebby" thing. People here wanted Kiffin (or they think they do), but they really want is Lebby's offense.
 
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farmin68 said:
That's insanity. It DEFINITELY should not have been Freeze. His NCAA track record and UT's current situation would not have been a good combination.
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Track record at 1 school? You act as if he’s done it multiple times. As I said in my other post, what bearing does a new HC have on a current investigation?

There have been no issues brought up at Freeze’s time with Liberty and he has done a good job there. Do you want to win or not?
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
The unfortunate reality is that the inevitable struggle in the first three years is going to have Vol fans again clamoring for CJH to be fired.
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Nah. You can see where I said to just keep Pruitt because all this program will ever hire is trash coaches. So I think we just need to let this guy ride and at least lower ticket prices. Get to where a family of four can at least watch star players from other schools (especially Bama) play.
 
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RhodesVol said:
Being wrong and being stupid while doing it isn't a good look.
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I’m confused at why you are mad at an alternative opinion, is this jack dorsey? I’m looking at the numbers look at his record when he has had his own gig , look at the trajectory what do you like most about it ?
 
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volgr said:
Same BYU team Chadwell beat?
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I would have much rather had Chadwell, but we didn't get him.

Likewise, it's my understanding that UCF had significant opt outs prior to the bowl game, and this was in addition to the 10+ players that opted out to begin the season.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
... and people are complaining.

Seriously. I'm not saying I know how Heupel will automatically work out but this is easily our best hire on paper since Majors. Other hires:

Fulmer. Unproven OC.
Kiffin. Failed NFL coach.
Dooley. Failed G5 coach.
Butch Jones. Semi-successful G5 coach.
Pruitt. Unproven DC.

Heupel's probably the most accomplished of the entire bunch. He's had some of the best offenses in all of college football for the past 3 years and had a great track record as OC and QB coach before that. If he gets Jeff Lebby as OC (which isn't a sure thing), we'll probably have the best offensive staff in the nation. If we keep Kevin Steele as DC, we'll be in great shape with the staff.

No, things won't be turned around in Year 1 or even Year 2, with all the crap disadvantages the new staff will have to start with (transfer portal, potential penalties), but this is a reasonably good hire and a "great hire" by "Tenesseee over the past 2 decades" standards. One thing I do like is that Heupel is likely committed for the long-term; he didn't come here with the current situation to just be here for 2-3 years.

Feel like Battered Vol Syndrome is taking over for some on here. No, it's not a "Home Run Hire", but it's a solid double and maybe we get lucky in 3-5 years and he'll round home plate. At a bare minimum, this is a big upgrade at HC.
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Heard the same with Pruitt......
 
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Orangeblooded615 said:
Bro when the entire fan base at his last job is haply he is gone, that is not a good sign... consistently got worse with a fully loaded talented team. What makes you think he is is going to be able to recruit here and build success when he couldn't sustain it at his last place? What a bunt of a hire.
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Fully loaded team. He didn't inherit any big time players out of high school. UCF like others in league have to fight for leftovers. You are just throwing shade on hire. It is cool though I understand we're this fan base is. In CHRIST Alone
 
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Vols1313 said:
Takes over for Frost 12-1, 10-2, 6-4 . So with his own guys what’s his winning percentage . Once again whoever takes over after Saban is going to have a good winning % for a few min
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You act like Frost was at UCF for a really long time to flip the roster. He went 6-7 his first year, 13-0 the second, then left. Frost hasn’t exactly proven as a world beater since then. In fact, that’s Frost’s only winning season. So while I can’t say HCJH is a program builder, it’s not like he got handed the keys to a well oiled machine like Alabama that runs itself. He’s kept the UCF momentum going.
 
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We should all accept the fact that, given the circumstances Tennessee is in, and likely more to come, not many coaches who are successful were/would want to step into the mess that is Tennessee. Not everyone was going to be happy, regardless of who was/is hired. We need to stop thinking we are doomed and put our support behind Huepel if he is the next coach.
 
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volgr said:
He was at Mizzu one year, had a NFL QB and the SEC East was a dumpster fire in 2017. They had a legit offense, but they also ran it up on a few sisters of the poor that year that made their numbers a little more gaudy.
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I'm not at all in favor of this hire, but at least they were able to run it up. I don't remember the last time UT was even able to run the score up on the "sisters of the poor" if they wanted to. It's been a huge issue and imo a reason for lack of QB development since the backups can never get in game snaps.
 
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RAVOL said:
Fully loaded team. He didn't inherit any big time players out of high school. UCF like others in league have to fight for leftovers. You are just throwing shade on hire. It is cool though I understand we're this fan base is. In CHRIST Alone
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You can develop a loaded team instead recruiting top talent, which was the point. He walked into a verrrry talented team and hasn't sustained anything.
 
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RhodesVol said:
I would have much rather had Chadwell, but we didn't get him.

Likewise, it's my understanding that UCF had significant opt outs prior to the bowl game, and this was in addition to the 10+ players that opted out to begin the season.
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In 3 regular seasons he lost 2 starting QB to injury and lost yes several good players to opt out and he lost total of 6 games by combined score of 19 puts.
 
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1 in 102 455 said:
You act like Frost was at UCF for a really long time to flip the roster. He went 6-7 his first year, 13-0 the second, then left. Frost hasn’t exactly proven as a world beater since then. In fact, that’s Frost’s only winning season. So while I can’t say HCJH is a program builder, it’s not like he got handed the keys to a well oiled machine like Alabama that runs itself. He’s kept the UCF momentum going.
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He’s kept the momentum going? He just went 6-4 and several UCF articles were talking about him fighting for his job in 2021 .
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
... and people are complaining.

Seriously. I'm not saying I know how Heupel will automatically work out but this is easily our best hire on paper since Majors. Other hires:

Fulmer. Unproven OC.
Kiffin. Failed NFL coach.
Dooley. Failed G5 coach.
Butch Jones. Semi-successful G5 coach.
Pruitt. Unproven DC.

Heupel's probably the most accomplished of the entire bunch. He's had some of the best offenses in all of college football for the past 3 years and had a great track record as OC and QB coach before that. If he gets Jeff Lebby as OC (which isn't a sure thing), we'll probably have the best offensive staff in the nation. If we keep Kevin Steele as DC, we'll be in great shape with the staff.

No, things won't be turned around in Year 1 or even Year 2, with all the crap disadvantages the new staff will have to start with (transfer portal, potential penalties), but this is a reasonably good hire and a "great hire" by "Tenesseee over the past 2 decades" standards. One thing I do like is that Heupel is likely committed for the long-term; he didn't come here with the current situation to just be here for 2-3 years.

Feel like Battered Vol Syndrome is taking over for some on here. No, it's not a "Home Run Hire", but it's a solid double and maybe we get lucky in 3-5 years and he'll round home plate. At a bare minimum, this is a big upgrade at HC.
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I have doubts about Heupel because he could not even maintain what he had at UCF. Building a program is a tougher job.
 
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RAVOL said:
In 3 regular seasons he lost 2 starting QB to injury and lost yes several good players to opt out and he lost total of 6 games by combined score of 19 puts.
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Sounds like Pruitt using Covid as a reason for UT’s bad play in 2020.
 
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Orangeblooded615 said:
Bro when the entire fan base at his last job is haply he is gone, that is not a good sign... consistently got worse with a fully loaded talented team. What makes you think he is is going to be able to recruit here and build success when he couldn't sustain it at his last place? What a bunt of a hire.
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They are probably the most obnoxious fan base in the G5. They are spoiled and think they should be undefeated every season. For crying out loud, they are only ~5 years removed from a 0-12 season.
 
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