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#34,101
Florida Stanley said:
True re: the record.

What I’m asking is what constitutes a good season for that line lol? I though they had a good solid season, not great. You said they weren’t good.


At some point maybe we should expect Forsberg to be what he is, a really talented hockey player. If he played with the consistency of who he is when at his best, he is a top 3 player in the world. That is what separates AO and SC from the mortals. I think Forsberg will have a 40 goal year or two, maybe three. But I don’t think he is good enough to consistently put out those numbers. And that’s OK lol. Still will go down as our best player OAT. But again, not the highest bar.
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I don't think they were good relative to what they could have been, let me put it that way. They are really talented guys, so a year where they underachieve is better that a lot of other lines, but still disappointing. Of the 3 on that line, Arvy definitely is the overachiever. He did have a good goalscoring year, and Johansen did have a bunch of assists, more than he's ever had, actually. Like I said above, Forsberg, as good as he is, still seems like he has some kind of untapped potential. I think he's good enough to be a consistent point-per-game player and in some years score 40+ goals.

I think what constitutes a good season for that line goes beyond just what numbers they put up. I didn't see this season, for extended stretches, JOFA give other teams fits, and in the playoffs they were invisible. They weren't a consistent force that other teams had to reckon with. They seemed to play less than the sum of their parts, as did the entire team. That's why I said I didn't think they were all that good, relatively speaking.
 
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#34,102
05_never_again said:
I don't think they were good relative to what they could have been, let me put it that way. They are really talented guys, so a year where they underachieve is better that a lot of other lines, but still disappointing. Of the 3 on that line, Arvy definitely is the overachiever. He did have a good goalscoring year, and Johansen did have a bunch of assists, more than he's ever had, actually. Like I said above, Forsberg, as good as he is, still seems like he has some kind of untapped potential. I think he's good enough to be a consistent point-per-game player and in some years score 40+ goals.

I think what constitutes a good season for that line goes beyond just what numbers they put up. I didn't see this season, for extended stretches, JOFA give other teams fits, and in the playoffs they were invisible. They weren't a consistent force that other teams had to reckon with. They seemed to play less than the sum of their parts, as did the entire team. That's why I said I didn't think they were all that good, relatively speaking.
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I can understand that. I’m just looking through different a lens.
 
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LotteryPick said:
He wasn't with Columbus long and those were his 21 and 22 age seasons, brother. It SHOULD be a part of his game. He's got a wicked shot and he doesn't use it.

The Preds absolutely have to go all in on Duchene this offseason.
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Agree, really need Duchene. Also, he does eat a lot of shots. I wish he would utilize his shot more.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Nobody on the Blackhawks or Kings was a superstar offensive player. You don't have to have a Crosby; you just need to have four lines who can score some and a goalie who can steal you a few games. Vegas was in the final last year despite not even really having a single _top-line_ quality forward, much less a superstar. Nashville's roster is and was ready to win right now, which is why that PP is such a grotesque problem.

Meanwhile the Braves more or less need to build a whole pitching staff. They've got some arms but barely any settled roles. You seem far more confident than I am at the feasibility of them pulling an entire bullpen out of their asses, and until they fix that there's effectively zero chance of them winning a title.

Maybe I'm just more pessimistic about them than the Preds because I'm a fan? The Braves are set up about as well as you can be for the next 7 sh years, but the apparent organizational assumption that if you just accumulate some young arms and shake them around a great pitching staff will eventually fall out seems pretty shortsighted.
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I’m not anywhere near a hockey guy, but Kane and Kopitar aren’t stars? I will say a halfway decent PP and they probably get the 1 seed and at least get to the Semis again.

And I mean talent isn’t the issue. It seems more the coaching with the lack of strike throwing. Like I said a 2020 rotation of Folty/Fried/Gausman/Soroka/Wright is about as talented as you fine. And again you can find bullpen arms.

I’d rather have built through position players like the Cubs and Stros (though a core of Acuna/Ozzie/Dans/FF/Pache is good), but I think they’ll find enough pitching to potentially win a title. Or use the farm to find stud pitching.
 
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Does Ender get traded this season. With Waters and Pache killing it in the minors, I'd like to think yes. Maybe we can get a decent arm or two for him
 
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