The Athletic: Feldman reports Peyton involved in new hire. Wildcard Bill O'Brien

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VOLnMiami said:
He had hardly any players during that time!...PSU almost got the death penalty and what he did with what little he had was a miracle...They were under serious probation at the time.
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They had 65 scholarship players... They had more walk ons... The death penalty was not a likely scenario, and anyone with a brain knew it... This wasn't SMU where everyone know what was going on and was ignoring NCAA compliance... It was a really bad situation, I'm not disagreeing... And he performed servicably... But it was absolutely not a miracle by any means...
 
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howie87 said:
What miracle did he work at Penn St??? He went 8-4 and 7-5 in 2 seasons... Lmao... Yeah, dude has a .520 W% with what pretty much everyone considers is an elite QB in the NFL... Dude is hot trash and got a ridiculous amount of praise heaped on him for doing a SERVICABLE job at Penn St and literally nothing more...
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He had that record after Penn State effectively dealt with a pseudo dealt penalty thanks to the demon known as Jerry Sandusky obliteration of the program.
 
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Pride85 said:
He had that record after Penn State effectively dealt with a pseudo dealt penalty thanks to the demon known as Jerry Sandusky obliteration of the program.
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There was no "pseudo death penalty" whatever the **** that is supposed to be...

  • Five years probation.
  • A four-year postseason ban.
  • Vacating of all wins from 1998 to 2011–112 wins in all. This had the effect of stripping the Nittany Lions of their shared Big Ten titles in 2005 and 2008. It also removed 111 wins from Paterno's record, dropping him from first to 12th on the NCAA's all-time wins list.
  • A $60 million fine, the proceeds of which were to go toward an endowment for preventing child abuse. According to the NCAA, this was the equivalent of a typical year's gross revenue from the football program.
  • Loss of a total of forty initial scholarships from 2013 to 2017. During the same period, Penn State was to be limited to 65 total scholarships — only two more than a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) school was allowed.
  • Penn State was required to adopt all recommendations for reform delineated in the Freeh report.
  • Penn State entered into an "athletics integrity agreement" with the NCAA and Big Ten, appoint a university-wide athletic compliance officer and compliance council, and accepted an NCAA-appointed athletic integrity monitor for the duration of its probation.
Those are the Penn St. sanctions... That's it... Alright... So they had 65, AND walk ons... That's not even in the realm of a suspension of the entire football program... Yall need to calm down... By the way, the next year, ALL of those sanctions started getting overturned or rescinded... Remember that part too...
 
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Boston Vol said:
Tennessee is going to be charged with multiple level 1 violations by the NCAA. That pretty much ends any chance of Freeze being the next coach.
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True. It was wishful thinking at best, assuming we got out of this with little punishment. Doesn’t seem that way.
 
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volfan_28 said:
You don't have to be an overly dramatic a-hole but yeah, being that you don't represent the majority of the fanbase your opinion on the matter doesn't mean much.
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Sorry but I’m with Boston on this one. The good ole boy hires haven’t really planned out and you still failed to answer what ties Urban and Saban had to the south. Two of the best to ever coach in the SEC.
If the majority of fans are basing their coaching likes by them being southern then the majority of the fanbase will be to blame when mediocrity continues to be the high point of UT football.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Sorry but I’m with Boston on this one. The good ole boy hires haven’t really planned out and you still failed to answer what ties Urban and Saban had to the south. Two of the best to ever coach in the SEC.
If the majority of fans are basing their coaching likes by them being southern then the majority of the fanbase will be to blame when mediocrity continues to be the high point of UT football.
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Believe it or not, I agree with you. I said in my first post on the subject that the hire shouldn't be based on them being from the south but if we're splitting hairs I'd lean toward the southern guy.
 
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howie87 said:
There was no "pseudo death penalty" whatever the **** that is supposed to be...

  • Five years probation.
  • A four-year postseason ban.
  • Vacating of all wins from 1998 to 2011–112 wins in all. This had the effect of stripping the Nittany Lions of their shared Big Ten titles in 2005 and 2008. It also removed 111 wins from Paterno's record, dropping him from first to 12th on the NCAA's all-time wins list.
  • A $60 million fine, the proceeds of which were to go toward an endowment for preventing child abuse. According to the NCAA, this was the equivalent of a typical year's gross revenue from the football program.
  • Loss of a total of forty initial scholarships from 2013 to 2017. During the same period, Penn State was to be limited to 65 total scholarships — only two more than a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) school was allowed.
  • Penn State was required to adopt all recommendations for reform delineated in the Freeh report.
  • Penn State entered into an "athletics integrity agreement" with the NCAA and Big Ten, appoint a university-wide athletic compliance officer and compliance council, and accepted an NCAA-appointed athletic integrity monitor for the duration of its probation.
Those are the Penn St. sanctions... That's it... Alright... So they had 65, AND walk ons... That's not even in the realm of a suspension of the entire football program... Yall need to calm down... By the way, the next year, ALL of those sanctions started getting overturned or rescinded... Remember that part too...
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That's all pretty severe.
 
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howie87 said:
There was no "pseudo death penalty" whatever the **** that is supposed to be...

  • Five years probation.
  • A four-year postseason ban.
  • Vacating of all wins from 1998 to 2011–112 wins in all. This had the effect of stripping the Nittany Lions of their shared Big Ten titles in 2005 and 2008. It also removed 111 wins from Paterno's record, dropping him from first to 12th on the NCAA's all-time wins list.
  • A $60 million fine, the proceeds of which were to go toward an endowment for preventing child abuse. According to the NCAA, this was the equivalent of a typical year's gross revenue from the football program.
  • Loss of a total of forty initial scholarships from 2013 to 2017. During the same period, Penn State was to be limited to 65 total scholarships — only two more than a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) school was allowed.
  • Penn State was required to adopt all recommendations for reform delineated in the Freeh report.
  • Penn State entered into an "athletics integrity agreement" with the NCAA and Big Ten, appoint a university-wide athletic compliance officer and compliance council, and accepted an NCAA-appointed athletic integrity monitor for the duration of its probation.
Those are the Penn St. sanctions... That's it... Alright... So they had 65, AND walk ons... That's not even in the realm of a suspension of the entire football program... Yall need to calm down... By the way, the next year, ALL of those sanctions started getting overturned or rescinded... Remember that part too...
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Players on scholarship were also allowed to quit the program and keep their scholarships. 15 players immediately transferred because the entire team was basically released from their scholarships and other schools were allowed to actively recruit them. Illinois coaches were on PSU's campus recruiting their players and Penn State couldn't do anything about it. Several quit and chose to stay on scholarship but still go to Penn State. They counted against the 65 max (which is draconian, even though you seem to act like it's not that bad). Three more transferred when the season started. They also lost several committed recruits.

It's considered a miracle that he talked that many players into staying at that time and that the losses weren't worse. The guy went 6-2 in the Big 10 under those circumstances.

There's an article from a few months ago when he was fired at Houston on the PSU rivals site calling him a legend for what he did there.

But sure. The PSU situation wasn't all that bad.
 
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LakeMaryFLVol said:
"Sources told The Athletic's Bruce Feldman that Peyton Manning will be involved in the decision. Louisiana's Billy Napier and Charlotte's Will Healy could both be approached, but if the Vols elect to hire a coordinator again, Clemson offensive coordinator Tony Elliott would be the most likely candidate. One wild card: former Texans coach Bill O'Brien, who helped rebuild Penn State in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky scandal. "

Tennessee fires Jeremy Pruitt: Source - The Athletic
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volfan_28 said:
Believe it or not, I agree with you. I said in my first post on the subject that the hire shouldn't be based on them being from the south but if we're splitting hairs I'd lean toward the southern guy.
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For me, at this point, I think we’d be better off riding out this year. Get the new AD in place, give them the season to see what’s available for candidates and then use the season to talk to agents behind the scenes to figure out who’s realistic and who’s not.

After the Dooley hire I’m just afraid of who they would rush to hire this time. This university has a tendency to make bad rush hires as we’ve seen with the Dooley and Pruitt hires. We need to slow play this one for the long term good.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I don't like any of that...and yet, find none of it surprising.
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Haslam hire. Peyton being involved just makes it a little easier for some to swallow. Notice Fulmer was forced out. One of the reporters noticed the timeline didn’t line up. Decision to get rid of Pruitt Friday, Fulmer decides to step down and allow new ad to make hire, BUT search fire was hired the previous week?
 
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