That's racist!

Why is a grown man slapping anyone? Dude got a bit more than he deserved but he still had what was coming to him.
As someone here on the ground in Cincinnati, I feel like I ought to update the board on the facts in this case, uncovered by the investigation by law enforcement. The first punch was thrown by the black guy. The racial slurs didn't start until the white guy was being beaten for one minute 47 seconds

"Several defense counsels said that racial epithets were thrown at these people. That was a minute and 47 seconds into this brutal beatdown. Were the words said? Yes. Were they inappropriate? Absolutely. But these poor people were being assaulted, stomped, WWE style elbow drops onto pavement," said Guinan. "One woman was knocked out to the point that her head hit the pavement. We could be here on a homicide. For counsel to say that he has the only response for misdemeanor assault is beyond the pale. And against all the facts, she has not seen all the videos. Nobody has except myself and the officers involved here."


The white guy's "slap" came after the beatings already started:

Chief Assistant Hamilton County Prosecutor Kip Guinan also insisted the man seen on viral videos slapping one of the suspects just before the brutal beatdowns began did that after someone was already beaten.


The "dude" did not have this coming. This attack was a territorial dispute where a group of blacks premeditated an attack on whites. That's what the investigation has showed

Guinan said Jermaine Matthews was the "main instigator" of the incident, which he called a "brutal beatdown." He said Matthews and others harassed the victims, following them on the street and telling them, "You are at the wrong party."
 
I haven't watched it all, but it's been reported he was using racial slurs while doing it. He was obviously drunk and belligerent do it's certainly believable. If all that is true he's at least responsible for inciting the riot.

The ones that beat him are responsible for their actions too.
I read the racial slurs came after the beat down started
 
No lie… you don’t put your hands on someone at all unless you’re ready to take it all the way
What's "all the way"? Once he's motionless on the ground he doesn't deserve to have his head kicked and stomped on. That could kill some people. That's not how we operate in modern society. The guy doing the most violent beating in this video is a violent convicted felon. He's a danger to society and is one of those guys who ought not be free. He needs to be locked up and taken off the streets

 
What's "all the way"? Once he's motionless on the ground he doesn't deserve to have his head kicked and stomped on. That could kill some people. That's not how we operate in modern society. The guy doing the most violent beating in this video is a violent convicted felon. He's a danger to society and is one of those guys who ought not be free. He needs to be locked up and taken off the streets

“All the way”….. engage in fisticuffs
 
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Miriam Krinsky left Fair and Just Prosecution months after staffers said she 'oppressed, slighted, and discriminated against' them​

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Progressive activist Miriam Krinsky was at the top of her game in early 2024. As the founder and leader of Soros-backed Fair and Just Prosecution (FJP), she helped support the day-to-day work of the nationwide wave of progressive prosecutors elected in the late 2010s and early 2020s. Then it all came to a screeching halt when her own staff accused her of being a racist, according to emails obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

FJP, funded by billionaire financier George Soros’s Open Society Foundations, played a key role in supporting elected progressive prosecutors under Krinsky’s leadership from 2017 through 2024. The group paid for fellows to staff their offices, footed the bill for prosecutors to travel overseas to Europe to learn about "drug decriminalization," and created training models to help the prosecutors "address systemic injustices" in the criminal justice system.

 
There's a difference between being the slaver versus the enslaved. I'm talking about the perspective of not only being enslaved as was the case for black Americans but also being told you are inferior because of it. So while everyone on planet earth was enslaved at some point only American chattel slavery tied skin color and notions of racial supremacy and inferiority to the enslavement.

Black Americans were told they were inferior to whites because of their race. No other group has had that done to them for 400+ years.
I think blaming the "inferiority" cast upon them as the reason for modern issues falls a bit flat for a couple reasons.

shortly after slavery crime rates weren't as twisted as they are now. depending on if you buy it or not more blacks are in jail now than they ever were. no way to say that "accepted inferiority" just now kicked in. and shortly after you had all the BS jim crow laws which would have skewed things even worse back then.

related to that, family structure was better, handouts were less, and you had a concentrated entrepreneurial "renaissance" amongst the recently freed and the first couple generations. if they had been convinced of their inferiority, those positives would have been impossible back then, and you would see things get better over time.

I think evidence shows the issue is more closely tied to use of that claimed inferiority as a crutch has done more harm. one thing you and the State of Islam need to learn, is that one of the key items to helping yourself is to stop blaming others, and waiting on others to change for your benefit. You aren't responsible for what happened to you, but you are responsible for how you respond to it.
 
There's a difference between being the slaver versus the enslaved. I'm talking about the perspective of not only being enslaved as was the case for black Americans but also being told you are inferior because of it. So while everyone on planet earth was enslaved at some point only American chattel slavery tied skin color and notions of racial supremacy and inferiority to the enslavement.

Black Americans were told they were inferior to whites because of their race. No other group has had that done to them for 400+ years.
Here the thing..chattel slavery is just a term made to make us feel bad . I promise you those enslaved in Africa at this moment feel less and are made to feel less then their slavers...as would any person who loses their freedom and is enslaved. That's how you keep enslaved people enslaved. It control. And it could have been totally race based in the US as those were major black slaves owners..so chattel slavery is a term made up by race baiters
 
one thing you and the State of Islam need to learn, is that one of the key items to helping yourself is to stop blaming others, and waiting on others to change for your benefit. You aren't responsible for what happened to you, but you are responsible for how you respond to it.

When have I or the nation ever asked for white folk to change? LOL. Yall must got us confused with liberal blacks. We're not waiting for yall to change cause we don't expect it. What we wanna do is educate our people on having knowledge of self so they know who they really are and what they're capable of. You might think the ingrained racial inferiority that came from slavery is irrelevant. Fine. I'm not telling you that so you feel sorry for us. I was simply explaining why things are the way they are today.

My views are simple. Us black folk need to do for ourselves. We don't need anything from anybody else. We don't need your sympathy and we don't need your help. Like Denzel told that white liberal girl in the movie "Malcolm X" when she asked what she could do as a good white person to help in the cause. "Just stay out of the way".
 
A lot of people call or consider themselves "conservative" while being far from it. I'm talking about the label as it's used now.

I want the US government to go back to the size and scope that the founders intended. If MN or MI want to become immigrant havens then so be it, no skin off my azz.

So if Minnesota becomes a mini-Somalia and Michigan becomes a mini-Arabia you would be fine with it? Now tell me this. How long can a nation still be considered a nation if it has states in it that are more similar to other countries halfway across the world? You think America will continue to prosper if we have balkanized states within our country that are nothing like the rest of the country?

FYI this is exactly why Africa is a steaming mess right now. Europeans through colonialism drew artificial borders grouping different tribes with little in common with one another into nations and then excepted them to govern each other fairly. What happened was corruption and civil strife that continues to plague the continent to this day. Crazy to me that you want the same thing for America.
 
Here the thing..chattel slavery is just a term made to make us feel bad . I promise you those enslaved in Africa at this moment feel less and are made to feel less then their slavers...as would any person who loses their freedom and is enslaved. That's how you keep enslaved people enslaved. It control. And it could have been totally race based in the US as those were major black slaves owners..so chattel slavery is a term made up by race baiters

I definitely agree with you that all slavery sucks for those enslaved. The difference is that a few generations from now nobody will know who was enslaved and who wasn't in Africa. Why? Because everyone there is black. Slavery wasn't tied to skin color and notions of racial supremacy. Same reason why slavery has no effect on modern Greece and Italy despite slavery being common in the ancient world. The slaves in Ancient Greece and Rome weren't just one race that was enslaved because they were considered racially inferior.

The reason slavery still plagues us here in the Americas and nowhere else on the planet despite being abolished 160 years ago is because we were the only ones that tied race to slavery. So despite it being generations since the end of slavery we still know who was enslaved and who wasn't. And that is why its still relevant. If nobody knew who was a slave and who wasn't because all races were enslaved here then we in the modern world would be fine. But because we racialized slavery its consequences still persists with us to this day.
 
So if Minnesota becomes a mini-Somalia and Michigan becomes a mini-Arabia you would be fine with it? Now tell me this. How long can a nation still be considered a nation if it has states in it that are more similar to other countries halfway across the world? You think America will continue to prosper if we have balkanized states within our country that are nothing like the rest of the country?

FYI this is exactly why Africa is a steaming mess right now. Europeans through colonialism drew artificial borders grouping different tribes with little in common with one another into nations and then excepted them to govern each other fairly. What happened was corruption and civil strife that continues to plague the continent to this day. Crazy to me that you want the same thing for America.

We became a great and prosperous nation with that exact model. The original 13 states were all different than each other.

And yes, as long as MN and MI abide by the bill of rights for it’s residents (which by doing so would prevent them from becoming Mini-Somalias and Arabias) I don’t care what they do.
 
I definitely agree with you that all slavery sucks for those enslaved. The difference is that a few generations from now nobody will know who was enslaved and who wasn't in Africa. Why? Because everyone there is black. Slavery wasn't tied to skin color and notions of racial supremacy. Same reason why slavery has no effect on modern Greece and Italy despite slavery being common in the ancient world. The slaves in Ancient Greece and Rome weren't just one race that was enslaved because they were considered racially inferior.

The reason slavery still plagues us here in the Americas and nowhere else on the planet despite being abolished 160 years ago is because we were the only ones that tied race to slavery. So despite it being generations since the end of slavery we still know who was enslaved and who wasn't. And that is why its still relevant. If nobody knew who was a slave and who wasn't because all races were enslaved here then we in the modern world would be fine. But because we racialized slavery its consequences still persists with us to this day.

I don't think you can say that with any accuracy. At best you "knowing" is only a little bit better than a 50/50 racist guess.

According to this it's about 57% who think their ancestors were enslaved, and that includes about 3% who think they were enslaved outside the US.

I mean yeah you go to some reddit forum you will find claims of 97% think they were enslaved, but good luck getting any data on that.

To me it gets really fuzzy about how you claim this. Is one slave ancestor, the rest being free, enough to claim some ancestoral suffering to the point of being a negative? At seven generations we have 128 ancestors going back to the last of the slaves. Is 1/128 enough to say you, as an individual, suffer from some assumed racial inferiority from 7 generations ago?
 
When have I or the nation ever asked for white folk to change? LOL. Yall must got us confused with liberal blacks. We're not waiting for yall to change cause we don't expect it. What we wanna do is educate our people on having knowledge of self so they know who they really are and what they're capable of. You might think the ingrained racial inferiority that came from slavery is irrelevant. Fine. I'm not telling you that so you feel sorry for us. I was simply explaining why things are the way they are today.

My views are simple. Us black folk need to do for ourselves. We don't need anything from anybody else. We don't need your sympathy and we don't need your help. Like Denzel told that white liberal girl in the movie "Malcolm X" when she asked what she could do as a good white person to help in the cause. "Just stay out of the way".
I don't think its irrelevant. I think its self generated at this point. or at least maintained from within the community far more than it is maintained from outside the community.

your focus on what slavery is in this nation, while dismissing it elsewhere goes along with the problem. and it speaks to the change you want to see from the society around you.
 
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I definitely agree with you that all slavery sucks for those enslaved. The difference is that a few generations from now nobody will know who was enslaved and who wasn't in Africa. Why? Because everyone there is black. Slavery wasn't tied to skin color and notions of racial supremacy. Same reason why slavery has no effect on modern Greece and Italy despite slavery being common in the ancient world. The slaves in Ancient Greece and Rome weren't just one race that was enslaved because they were considered racially inferior.

The reason slavery still plagues us here in the Americas and nowhere else on the planet despite being abolished 160 years ago is because we were the only ones that tied race to slavery. So despite it being generations since the end of slavery we still know who was enslaved and who wasn't. And that is why its still relevant. If nobody knew who was a slave and who wasn't because all races were enslaved here then we in the modern world would be fine. But because we racialized slavery its consequences still persists with us to this day.
what the eff are you smoking here?

they were absolutely enslaved because they were considered inferior. There is a reason the word "Slave" comes from a group of white people called the "Slavs". the romans saw the only worth in Slavs as slaves. you can go back to any point in time and find the same thing, even the Jews allowed slavery of others, but not Jews.

and there are plenty of cases of different races being enslaved because they were different. The Ottomans enslaved whites because they were white, the Mamelukes enslaved whites because they were white. How do you think the eastern mediterranean went from being Greek to being Arab/turkish? it wasn't because the new guys were nice. Some of the various Chinese dynasty's made it practice to only enslave different races because they were inferior. I am sure there are more. slavery has almost always been about finding who is different than you, and making them less than you. its not something special to America.
 
I definitely agree with you that all slavery sucks for those enslaved. The difference is that a few generations from now nobody will know who was enslaved and who wasn't in Africa. Why? Because everyone there is black. Slavery wasn't tied to skin color and notions of racial supremacy. Same reason why slavery has no effect on modern Greece and Italy despite slavery being common in the ancient world. The slaves in Ancient Greece and Rome weren't just one race that was enslaved because they were considered racially inferior.

The reason slavery still plagues us here in the Americas and nowhere else on the planet despite being abolished 160 years ago is because we were the only ones that tied race to slavery. So despite it being generations since the end of slavery we still know who was enslaved and who wasn't. And that is why its still relevant. If nobody knew who was a slave and who wasn't because all races were enslaved here then we in the modern world would be fine. But because we racialized slavery its consequences still persists with us to this day.
There were white, Mexican and Indian slaves in America so no it wasn't entirely race based. This is you reading biased sources to create a divide and play on your emotional state. Just as there were slaves of all races in Europe and the rest of world for 1000d of years and they have all over come it except American blacks.
 
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