Texas is in, right?

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jasonvol18 said:
Not even close. 16 would be the correct number.
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For the life of me I don't get why people seem to be so offended by an expanded playoff. None of the arguments against it or a playoff in general ever made any sense and I don't know why some seem so obsessed with "only a handful of teams should get a chance".
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
For the life of me I don't get why people seem to be so offended by an expanded playoff. None of the arguments against it or a playoff in general ever made any sense and I don't know why some seem so obsessed with "only a handful of teams should get a chance".
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I don't get it either.
 
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So nothing happened yesterday that Texas needed - so Texas is not going to make the playoffs. I expect the top 12 to have the following teams

1. OSU
2. Indiana
3. Georgia
4. Texas Tech
5. Oregon
6. Ole Miss
7. A&M
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Alabama
11. BYU
12. Miami

In the conference games:

The given -

- Big 10: OSU and Indiana
Both are in regardless of outcome

- ACC: Duke and Virginia
Winner is in and knocks out 11

- American: Tulane and North Texas
Winner is in and knocks out 12

These two are the ones that will ultimately impact what happens between the 9 - 11 spots.

- Big 12: BYU and Texas Tech
Winner is in. If BYU were to win, both BYU and Texas Tech would be in.
If Texas Tech wins, BYU is out.

- SEC: Georgia and Alabama
Georgia is in regardless
Bama is in if they win.
If Bama loses, they could miss the playoffs for a second year in a row! Go BYU!

Bama Loses and BYU wins
Bama is probably out as they would be replaced by either the ACC or American conference champ.

Bama wins and BYU loses
Has no impact as BYU in the #11 slot was getting bumped out anyway.

Both BYU and Bama Lose

This is an interesting situation - will they penalize which ever one is in the #10 slot by allowing Miami to move to #10? Or will they just stay with whomever was ranked higher going into the final week?
Please note they set the precedence last year but not penalizing the ACC championship loser.

If both Bama and BYU win, - there has to be movement and that could bump #9 (currently Notre Dame) out of the playoff picture because
- Bama is in
- BYU is in
- The ACC winner is in
- The American winner is in
- Implies whom ever is at # 9 is out.

It will be interesting to see if with the poll this week, the committee protects Notre Dame by putting an SEC school in the #9 spot. They have no reason to switch the position of OU and ND and if that happens then the committee has made the decision that Notre Dame must be included.

To summarize - Texas and Vandy can complain all they want but the teams they needed to lose, won this weekend so they are headed to bowl games.
 
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volfan102455 said:
So nothing happened yesterday that Texas needed - so Texas is not going to make the playoffs. I expect the top 12 to have the following teams

1. OSU
2. Indiana
3. Georgia
4. Texas Tech
5. Oregon
6. Ole Miss
7. A&M
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Alabama
11. BYU
12. Miami

In the conference games:

The given -

- Big 10: OSU and Indiana
Both are in regardless of outcome

- ACC: Duke and Virginia
Winner is in and knocks out 11

- American: Tulane and North Texas
Winner is in and knocks out 12

These two are the ones that will ultimately impact what happens between the 9 - 11 spots.

- Big 12: BYU and Texas Tech
Winner is in. If BYU were to win, both BYU and Texas Tech would be in.
If Texas Tech wins, BYU is out.

- SEC: Georgia and Alabama
Georgia is in regardless
Bama is in if they win.
If Bama loses, they could miss the playoffs for a second year in a row! Go BYU!

Bama Loses and BYU wins
Bama is probably out as they would be replaced by either the ACC or American conference champ.

Bama wins and BYU loses
Has no impact as BYU in the #11 slot was getting bumped out anyway.

Both BYU and Bama Lose

This is an interesting situation - will they penalize which ever one is in the #10 slot by allowing Miami to move to #10? Or will they just stay with whomever was ranked higher going into the final week?
Please note they set the precedence last year but not penalizing the ACC championship loser.

If both Bama and BYU win, - there has to be movement and that could bump #9 (currently Notre Dame) out of the playoff picture because
- Bama is in
- BYU is in
- The ACC winner is in
- The American winner is in
- Implies whom ever is at # 9 is out.

It will be interesting to see if with the poll this week, the committee protects Notre Dame by putting an SEC school in the #9 spot. They have no reason to switch the position of OU and ND and if that happens then the committee has made the decision that Notre Dame must be included.

To summarize - Texas and Vandy can complain all they want but the teams they needed to lose, won this weekend so they are headed to bowl games.
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Thank you for this analysis.
I don't like BYU, but if their win knocks out Bama, I am cool with that. Even better would be a scenario where ND is out, but I would be astonished to see that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
So nothing happened yesterday that Texas needed - so Texas is not going to make the playoffs. I expect the top 12 to have the following teams

1. OSU
2. Indiana
3. Georgia
4. Texas Tech
5. Oregon
6. Ole Miss
7. A&M
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Alabama
11. BYU
12. Miami

In the conference games:

The given -

- Big 10: OSU and Indiana
Both are in regardless of outcome

- ACC: Duke and Virginia
Winner is in and knocks out 11

- American: Tulane and North Texas
Winner is in and knocks out 12

These two are the ones that will ultimately impact what happens between the 9 - 11 spots.

- Big 12: BYU and Texas Tech
Winner is in. If BYU were to win, both BYU and Texas Tech would be in.
If Texas Tech wins, BYU is out.

- SEC: Georgia and Alabama
Georgia is in regardless
Bama is in if they win.
If Bama loses, they could miss the playoffs for a second year in a row! Go BYU!

Bama Loses and BYU wins
Bama is probably out as they would be replaced by either the ACC or American conference champ.

Bama wins and BYU loses
Has no impact as BYU in the #11 slot was getting bumped out anyway.

Both BYU and Bama Lose

This is an interesting situation - will they penalize which ever one is in the #10 slot by allowing Miami to move to #10? Or will they just stay with whomever was ranked higher going into the final week?
Please note they set the precedence last year but not penalizing the ACC championship loser.

If both Bama and BYU win, - there has to be movement and that could bump #9 (currently Notre Dame) out of the playoff picture because
- Bama is in
- BYU is in
- The ACC winner is in
- The American winner is in
- Implies whom ever is at # 9 is out.

It will be interesting to see if with the poll this week, the committee protects Notre Dame by putting an SEC school in the #9 spot. They have no reason to switch the position of OU and ND and if that happens then the committee has made the decision that Notre Dame must be included.

To summarize - Texas and Vandy can complain all they want but the teams they needed to lose, won this weekend so they are headed to bowl games.
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I mostly agree. Except, and I’m sure people will disagree, I think Bama is in regardless. They set the precedent last year about conference championship game losers. If they were already in, then they stay in. 11 and 12 will be Acc and G5 winners. If BYU wins, they’re in. It seemed to me they actually repositioned ND to be left out if this scenario happens.
 
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newyorkvol said:
I mostly agree. Except, and I’m sure people will disagree, I think Bama is in regardless. They set the precedent last year about conference championship game losers. If they were already in, then they stay in. 11 and 12 will be Acc and G5 winners. If BYU wins, they’re in. It seemed to me they actually repositioned ND to be left out if this scenario happens.
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The difference from last year is that one of the could be conference champs is in the #11 spot and only 3 conferences have teams playing in the top 12. Something will have to give if BYU wins.

Bama moved up to 9 in the polls above Notre Dame - Notre Dame is the team most in jeopardy. The thing is if Bama lost, they would have that third loss. Then if BYU upsets Texas Tech, it becomes a question of which of the three do they push to 11 - Texas Tech, Bama or Notre Dame knowing the number 11 slot is going to be for one of the other two conference champs.

I think the closeness of the games will matter - if TTU loses a close one, they stay so it becomes a choice between Bama and Notre Dame. The movement this week of Bama above ND seems to imply the committee thinks more highly of Bama or did they move them to give a spot in case BYU wins, so they don't end up with the "why did you keep TTU and not Bama" argument. But if UGA were to blow out Bama (don't expect it to happen), would that change?

If TTU beats BYU, it doesn't matter - Bama is in with a loss as is Notre Dame.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
For the life of me I don't get why people seem to be so offended by an expanded playoff. None of the arguments against it or a playoff in general ever made any sense and I don't know why some seem so obsessed with "only a handful of teams should get a chance".
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The Natty should be an exclusive thing. The 12 team playoff nuked the conference title games relevancy that were vital when there were just 4 teams. They essentially provided an extra game to weed out the field. Now they mean nothing.

You essentially had 5 conferences (P4 + G5) for 4 spots. Since the conferences are hell bent on keeping the title games, they have become nothing more than meaningless.

Going from 4 to 12 has also ruined the sport. There is no world where a 3 loss team should ever be contending for a national title.

In reality, they should have expanded to 6 with byes or 8 and no byes.

Expanding to 12-16 just includes teams that have zero legitimacy of being one of the best teams in the land all in the name of money.
 
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#86
The G5 five thing is dumb and you be done away with let them have their own Playoffs
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
For the life of me I don't get why people seem to be so offended by an expanded playoff. None of the arguments against it or a playoff in general ever made any sense and I don't know why some seem so obsessed with "only a handful of teams should get a chance".
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I dislike the potential dilution. 16 teams don't have a legitimate chance to win a Natty.

If, per some chance, you get an upset of JMU over Oregon, you've lost out on a good match up between Oregon and Ohio State or someone else and instead you'll almost certainly see JMU get destroyed in the first half in their next game.

In a bigger playoff, an upset may be exciting and give a momentary thrill but you've lost out on a match up that would be more indicative of who are the best teams in the country.

And what if JMU did the magical, unthinkable and actually won the Natty? So they're the best team because they scored a few upsets in a row?

No one would believe that. AP and Coaches polls wouldn't vote that way, hopefully. So what did they win except a tournament they shouldn't have been in?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I dislike the potential dilution. 16 teams don't have a legitimate chance to win a Natty.

If, per some chance, you get an upset of JMU over Oregon, you've lost out on a good match up between Oregon and Ohio State or someone else and instead you'll almost certainly see JMU get destroyed in the first half in their next game.

In a bigger playoff, an upset may be exciting and give a momentary thrill but you've lost out on a match up that would be more indicative of who are the best teams in the country.

And what if JMU did the magical, unthinkable and actually won the Natty? So they're the best team because they scored a few upsets in a row?

No one would believe that. AP and Coaches polls wouldn't vote that way, hopefully. So what did they win except a tournament they shouldn't have been in?
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Same as March Madness and there is no where near the whining in that case.
 
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miket4god said:
Same as March Madness and there is no where near the whining in that case.
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I also dislike the size of March Madness for the same reason but I'm seldom vocal about it because I understand ALL of this expansion is about money, not "fairness."

I get it. This is entertainment and not some scientific "let's put the best teams in a tournament" idea.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I also dislike the size of March Madness for the same reason but I'm seldom vocal about it because I understand ALL of this expansion is about money, not "fairness."

I get it. This is entertainment and not some scientific "let's put the best teams in a tournament" idea.
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Now you get it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I got it all along, I'd just like better quality football (and basketball) in the tournaments as a fan.

CFP, NCAA, and ESPN would like more money.

I'm old. I know which side is going to win that situation.
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Agreed. There is no scenario where a group of 5 team is running the table and winning a championship.
In that sense they don't belong at all. Most years the ACC and Big 12 have no shot.

But those guys are not going to get left out. So in order to get the 2nd, 3rd place team in the Big 10 or SEC a spot we got tournament expansion.
 
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miket4god said:
Agreed. There is no scenario where a group of 5 team is running the table and winning a championship.
In that sense they don't belong at all. Most years the ACC and Big 12 have no shot.

But those guys are not going to get left out. So in order to get the 2nd, 3rd place team in the Big 10 or SEC a spot we got tournament expansion.
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Yeah, I get it completely and there's no denying from a "how do we get more money and more eyeballs" viewpoint which is the way business SHOULD look at it. They're doing great at their jobs.

As a fan, I'll watch bad tournament football and basketball because it's tournament time, so I'm locked in.

I'm not a "I don't like this and I'm not watching it" kind of guy. I'm married. I routinely do things I don't like, don't agree with, don't endorse..... and sometimes I even pay for them.
 
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