Terrible Awful Horrible Coaching

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#76
VOLINVONORE said:
If you become CEO of a company that has been failing and has lost all of their best employees, you have to rebuild that company by hiring the best employees you can find. If you have the resources, you can hopefully accomplishment this in a couple of years. You will have to spend tons of money to teach your new employees about your program and product. You have the ability to hire employees from your competitors to help in rebuilding the company. Compared to rebuilding a college football team, this is easy pickings.

If you are rebuilding a college football team, you have to recruit high school players to your school. You have to do this with limited resources and fight tooth and nail against you opponets who also want those players. You can not pay them bonuses, incentives, or county club memberships. You have to convince the best player to play football for a college which has a losing record and has not produced an atmosphere of positive thinking. Simply put, you can not rebuild a losing program in one or two years. It takes time change the attitude of the administrative staff of the college, of the football players, and most of all the fans of that college. Without this change , especially of the fans who donate $$$ to the college, you will not be able to succeed.

Coach Jones has made great progress in change the attitude of all three of the areas mentioned except of some of the fans who are too impietent to support the process. To these fans, I despirately ask that you except the fact that CBJ is on the right path to rebuild our football program and have the patients to let him accomplish this process for all of us. Support rather than destroy. Go VOLs.
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All very true and good points. Are you not receiving enough pats on the back (likes?).

If you have ever been THE MAN, you understand the culture impact YOU make when you accept and acknowledge, to the rest of YOUR team working so hard, that YOU bear the ultimate responsibility for success.

Again, no one is refuting CBJ's "inheritance". What I observed was how different he is from other football coaches in that he does not reference the good coaching job on other side (must have happened some this year because we have a losing record) nor does he shoulder any of the accountability for the results on the field. Yes, we should have caught more passes; yes, we should have tackled better. I simply would go deeper into listening to his pressers if he offered up some humility: we have to do a better job coaching kind of comment.

Yes, I will track back and give you a like.:mf_surrender:
 
#77
#77
BearCat204 said:
Actually call more than one during that 1:50 at the end of the first half. Just a bone headed decision, only trumped by the challenge and waste of a timeout at the end of the game. Can't believe some are even attempting to defend it. It was very doooleyesque
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Not a good sign
 
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#78
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ReelfootVol said:
Why cannot everyone agree.......we simply got beat by a veteran, more experienced, football team. We are young with a makeshift o line and our best player was not even on the field. What does everyone expect ???
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That the coaching staff plays to win.
 
#79
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Persian Vol said:
The game was lost before that. We don't have bodies on the line of scrimmage to compete with the seniors and red shirt seniors on an established program like Missouri yet. We're an average offensive line away from possibly being 9-3.

How are we going to take shots when our offensive line is collapsing every play?
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that is a sad excuse to cover two bonhead time out decisions
 
#80
#80
How much time do we have left if we have two timeouts instead of one? Not a lot. Granted, some time is better than none. I have to think that he thought that there was a small chance it would be overturned. I am sure that they have video available, but while it was obvious on the replay that the ball did not go 10 yards, I have to believe that someone on his staff was telling him to challenge. I wish that we could have challenged the off side call. I don't think it was obvious at all.
 
#81
#81
And the sad but true truth is that we have the best coaches in America. Sorry, we have the best recruiting coaches in America. We have rotten Game day coaching. Coach Jones has screwed up the time out situation more than once. This time it cost Tennessee a chance to stop Missouri like they did against South Carolina on a three and out with three timeouts in their pocket.

No big game experience equals no big game coaching experience. . To these guys, a big game is going to Louisville for the Big East championship.
 
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UNAVol89 said:
The vanilla play calling is a direct result of the piss poor offensive line play and its effect on the QB and RB play.

Jones has got to get some SEC quality guys in here. Hell I'd settle for some ACC quality at this point.
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He actually is trying. Once his recruits are ready through the S&C program, we will be there. Too many holes to fill right now.
 
#83
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1985Vols said:
Wow, this guy is working his azz off to rebuild our program after what has been the worst 4 consecutive years in the history of our program due to an Athletics Director ( Hamilton) that made the worst hire in the history of our program. How CBJ is able to recruit top 10 classes may not prove he is a great coach but it does prove he can recruit which where rebuilding has to start. Remember, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t and BJ inherited chicken Sh!t!
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Working like heck to figure out how to save his timeouts and use them properly
 
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tenninohio said:
All very true and good points. Are you not receiving enough pats on the back (likes?).

If you have ever been THE MAN, you understand the culture impact YOU make when you accept and acknowledge, to the rest of YOUR team working so hard, that YOU bear the ultimate responsibility for success.

Again, no one is refuting CBJ's "inheritance". What I observed was how different he is from other football coaches in that he does not reference the good coaching job on other side (must have happened some this year because we have a losing record) nor does he shoulder any of the accountability for the results on the field. Yes, we should have caught more passes; yes, we should have tackled better. I simply would go deeper into listening to his pressers if he offered up some humility: we have to do a better job coaching kind of comment.

Yes, I will track back and give you a like.:mf_surrender:
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I think if you listen to most interviews/pressers you will hear the statements about coaching better made quite often. Most people stop listening and get upset if he mentions anything about a shortcoming of a player. Most have been bashing because they feel Dobbs should have been in at the start of the season. CBJ has said many times that inconsistency was the thing hurting Dobbs. Last night we saw a little bit of that inconsistency. He threw several ball behind receivers and several at their knees. The pieces of the puzzle are being found, they just need to come together a bit better for a clearer picture.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Probably about the same amount of time all the Politics forum posters have in office.
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Just as my father always says: "you don't have to be the jockey to know who won the race". You people do realize that this is a message board for FANS to discuss, and often complain, about UT athletics. Haven't seen many on here claiming to be experts and as long as they don't take personal shots at players I don't see what the big deal is. Again, it is a MESSAGE BOARD PEOPLE.
 
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#87
Time outs agree but they had pressure with only their line dropping 7 and 8 and Dobbs had no time so to the play calling complainer's shut up please I would love to throw u in at QB and say give time to develop you may get thrown on your head or break shoulder but just letm get open stupid fricken people shut up love butch love vols and the neggas to
 
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Pride85 said:
I think if you listen to most interviews/pressers you will hear the statements about coaching better made quite often. Most people stop listening and get upset if he mentions anything about a shortcoming of a player. Most have been bashing because they feel Dobbs should have been in at the start of the season. CBJ has said many times that inconsistency was the thing hurting Dobbs. Last night we saw a little bit of that inconsistency. He threw several ball behind receivers and several at their knees. The pieces of the puzzle are being found, they just need to come together a bit better for a clearer picture.
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excellent points; thank you for those observations. I'm not perturbed by candid assessment of personnel. That's to be expected. Just would be nice to hear something genuine like, man, I wish I had those timeouts left but we went on what we thought was an expected reversal on review, etc.

Spinners rarely touch on their inconsistency.
 
#91
#91
Now, let's delete all these expert posts and let someone who's coached the game of football rag about CBJ's current body of work. It'll be a short list. It's like a third grader figuring out the proper nuances of isolating a Higgs boson. Ask Pinkel what he thinks about Jones' coaching job and I bet he'll state that he's doing a fantastic job. Those two TDs at the beginning of the fourth quarter sealed the game. Mizzou let off the gas, so let's admit the Vols are still a work in progress that's definitely making progress. Don't feel so special...its human nature for a lot of sports fans to grasp at instant gratification. Let's beat up on Vandy and beat whoever we get in a bowl game.
 
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I have changed my stripes on being a fan that enjoys watching the progress of this team and the way they never quit, to one who blames the coaches after every loss.

How dare the coaches call a pass play to our 5 star freshman receiver knowing he would take his eyes off the ball and having it bounce off of him into the hands of the other team? Sheer incompetence on the coaches.

How dare they call a play where our QB might run with the ball and fumble? Again sheer incompetence on the coaches!

How could we target our best receiver with numerous passes that he drops? Don’t these coaches know anything? How dare they call these plays!

The worst play call was on the goal line where our QB tripped over his own feet and lost yardage and time off the clock. What were the coaches thinking?

On the O-line, I have heard from a friend, who has a friend, who has a friend who shines shoes and helmets for the team that we are going to Ironman football next year to try and win every game. We are going to take all the studs from the D-line and have them play both ways.



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#95
#95
Oline play was horrific.
WR's dropping passes killed momentum.
Game management was terrible at the end.
Play calling was questionable, move the pocket with your mobile QB and adjust to their schemes.
Offsides penalty was BS.
Defense played well considering loss of AJ.
 
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#96
#96
You realize Butch alone doesn't review his plays and challenge them, right? His assistant coaches and coordinators and sideline coaches give him info to make that call. That onside kick was the only chance we had. I hate these nega-vols that jump down the coaches throat every loss. Keep blaming the coaches for not blocking that defensive end or for dropping that long pass. The players beat themselves up this game. Even sutton was getting hammered. That's when you know its been tough
 
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#97
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UNAVol89 said:
The vanilla play calling is a direct result of the piss poor offensive line play and its effect on the QB and RB play.

Jones has got to get some SEC quality guys in here. Hell I'd settle for some ACC quality at this point.
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Agree 100%. The way our O-line plays how can you be anything but vanilla? Dobbs barley has time to dump the ball out in the flats.
 
#98
#98
Wildasamink16 said:
Time outs agree but they had pressure with only their line dropping 7 and 8 and Dobbs had no time so to the play calling complainer's shut up please I would love to throw u in at QB and say give time to develop you may get thrown on your head or break shoulder but just letm get open stupid fricken people shut up love butch love vols and the neggas to
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Are you in jail?
 
#99
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VolBoyFord said:
You realize Butch alone doesn't review his plays and challenge them, right? His assistant coaches and coordinators and sideline coaches give him info to make that call. That onside kick was the only chance we had. I hate these nega-vols that jump down the coaches throat every loss. Keep blaming the coaches for not blocking that defensive end or for dropping that long pass. The players beat themselves up this game. Even sutton was getting hammered. That's when you know its been tough
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We could've had the ball back with a minute or so left if we had that timeout. Wouldn't have been a great chance, but still a chance nevertheless. Butch eliminated that by wasting his challenge on a play that took 3 seconds for instant replay to confirm.
 
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#100
#100
Mizzou front four are solid players and better than USCe and Kentucky up front. They also created almost all they're scoring against FLA earlier this year which our D did not. They spied and contained Dobbs. They confused our O line and just plain beat em last night. Pig (2) and Malone (1) both dropped passes right in the hands. I think Malone's was at a more crucial point as we were beginning to get some momentum and resulted in an INT. Croom and Pearson were negligible last night. Not sure if they just couldn't get open or Dobbs didn't see them? Yep, it sucks. 7-5 would've done a helluva lot more for this team than 6-6. I'll be sitting in Vanderbilt stadium next week though.
 
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