Tennessee should have kept Phil Fulmer (orlandosent.com)

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He didn't say we should have kept Fulmer. He said, sans any support, that a strong argument could be made that the Vols would be better off had they kept Fulmer.

He might be able to make that argument, but he couldn't with a straight face pretend that we'd be competitive in the conference.
 
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Excuse me if I don't value the opinion of an SEC beat write in Orlando. Same old tired rehashed stuff. He must've stayed out too late drinking and threw that story together to make a deadline.
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BigPapaVol said:
He didn't say we should have kept Fulmer. He said, sans any support, that a strong argument could be made that the Vols would be better off had they kept Fulmer.

He might be able to make that argument, but he couldn't with a straight face pretend that we'd be competitive in the conference.
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Except all the data suggests that's what would have happened. As we've demonstrated ad infinitum this off-season: OF COURSE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF HAVING KEPT FULMER.

Regardless, the article was worth it for Mike Slive's comments regarding Kiffin. I had not seen those previously.
 
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What's it tell you about the state of the program that the head coaches at Duke and Air Force turned down UT before the Vols finally settled on Dooley.
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yeah not really but I guess facts don't really matter
 
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utgibbs said:
Except all the data suggests that's what would have happened. As we've demonstrated ad infinitum this off-season: OF COURSE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF HAVING KEPT FULMER.

Regardless, the article was worth it for Mike Slive's comments regarding Kiffin. I had not seen those previously.
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we haven't demonstrated dick. We have made up crap and hoped someone would listen, but been laughed at to the point of becoming a punchline on this site.

Being better off, yet uncompetitive, is worthless. Taking steps back is often the route to breaking the old mold. Fulmer got fired because he kept losing, and badly, to our real competition for the SEC crown. If being there is better, who gives a crap. Having a shot at competitive, regardless how remote, is better than surely sucking.
 
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Anyone that actually believes this (keeping Fulmer) pays no attention whatsoever to the evolution of college football or the SEC. Christ-how stale did the program have to get before a change would have been made? And even with the changes they still landed 2 straight top 10 classes-better than what Phil was bringing in, whose players just get kicked out/leave anyways/and or don't develop into anything (I know this is an exageration of sorts). Plus-the talent is down now because of Fulmer. If ever a case should be closed it's this one.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
we haven't demonstrated dick. We have made up crap and hoped someone would listen, but been laughed at to the point of becoming a punchline on this site.

Being better off, yet uncompetitive, is worthless. Taking steps back is often the route to breaking the old mold. Fulmer got fired because he kept losing, and badly, to our real competition for the SEC crown. If being there is better, who gives a crap. Having a shot at competitive, regardless how remote, is better than surely sucking.
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Exactly. I guess Alabama should have stayed the course with Mike Shula. After all-he did go 10-2 once. No-you make the move you think needs to be made-just like they did by canning Shula after bad losses (ring a bell-Vandy, South Carolina, butt-whoppings to Florida and Bama) and hiring Saban.
 
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utgibbs said:
Except all the data suggests that's what would have happened. As we've demonstrated ad infinitum this off-season: OF COURSE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF HAVING KEPT FULMER.

Regardless, the article was worth it for Mike Slive's comments regarding Kiffin. I had not seen those previously.
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All the data suggest that Meyer would have kept beating Fulmer like a drum.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
we haven't demonstrated dick. We have made up crap and hoped someone would listen, but been laughed at to the point of becoming a punchline on this site.

Being better off, yet uncompetitive, is worthless. Taking steps back is often the route to breaking the old mold. Fulmer got fired because he kept losing, and badly, to our real competition for the SEC crown. If being there is better, who gives a crap. Having a shot at competitive, regardless how remote, is better than surely sucking.
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Great reply BPV.
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The data also proved that Myer beat Kiffen like a drum, so I guess the data would then in turn have to reflect that fact that CDD would also be beat like a drum as well. But lets take that same data set back to 1916-1971...the data indicates that Tennessee beats Florida like a drum, its not until recently that Florida has had so much dominance over Tennessee. the data also showed before Fulmer 84,85,91 Florida also beat Tennessee like a drum. So whatever your feelings are on Fulmer, 152-52 with a NC along with a 8-7 bowl record, 2 SEC Championships, and 6 SEC titles is not a bad resume.

I hope CDD does a good job, and to be honest, if given time I think he will do a good job. The man seems bright, excited and he knows football, he grew up in a football family. But it is a shame that Tennessee has had to go after coaches without any kind of winning percentage.

Until Tennessee can get over the fear of Florida, it dont matter who the coach is....it seems like in the past we go into games knowing we cant win...hopefully CDD can change that attitude as well.

But like him or not, Fulmer was a good coach and good for Tennessee.
 
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noticed that article a few days ago and reminded me that if we kept fulmer, the fan base would have eroded. i think in hindsight the bigger sin was hiring kiffin.
 
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utgibbs said:
Except all the data suggests that's what would have happened. As we've demonstrated ad infinitum this off-season: OF COURSE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF HAVING KEPT FULMER.



Regardless, the article was worth it for Mike Slive's comments regarding Kiffin. I had not seen those previously.
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Just how much Tennessee football have you watched during the last decade?
 
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tnbigboy said:
The data also proved that Myer beat Kiffen like a drum, so I guess the data would then in turn have to reflect that fact that CDD would also be beat like a drum as well.
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Exactly what are you talking about?

Over Fulmer's final two years, the combined score against our biggest rivals was 159-52. That's humiliating and not okay. Neither Kiffin nor Dooley have proven they can do that poorly.

But lets take that same data set back to 1916-1971...the data indicates that Tennessee beats Florida like a drum, its not until recently that Florida has had so much dominance over Tennessee. the data also showed before Fulmer 84,85,91 Florida also beat Tennessee like a drum. So whatever your feelings are on Fulmer, 152-52 with a NC along with a 8-7 bowl record, 2 SEC Championships, and 6 SEC titles is not a bad resume.
I'm sorry, what?

I hope CDD does a good job, and to be honest, if given time I think he will do a good job. The man seems bright, excited and he knows football, he grew up in a football family. But it is a shame that Tennessee has had to go after coaches without any kind of winning percentage.

Until Tennessee can get over the fear of Florida, it dont matter who the coach is....it seems like in the past we go into games knowing we cant win...hopefully CDD can change that attitude as well.

But like him or not, Fulmer was a good coach and good for Tennessee.
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I don't understand the logic behind most of your post, and the bold is absolutely debatable.
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