Tennessee NIL Brands.......

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Fullfillmer said:
Unfortunately, this is how it should work, and probably will work at most schools. We don't play most schools, we will play Alabama, Georgia, Texas, etc. and their NIL sponsors - who are anonymous, anonymous, and anonymous.
We don't really have a chance vs. their limitless NIL money - so we will have to work the high 3 stars, low 4 stars.

Once we develop a few into top notch talent - they then will receive big money NIL deals to transfer to schools like Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Texas A and M. Seems like a flawed system to me.

Oh, it will happen in basketball also.
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So... We know that our rivals are using anonymous NIL sponsors. And we know that we are only using public sponsors and have no anonymous sponsors. So naturally, we're doomed.

Solid logic.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I have not researched the NIL "rules" but is there anything to stop a school's boosters from forming a non-profit that relies upon donations and then pays players to advertise the non-profit? This would allow tom, dick and harry to donate to the non-profit creating what would essentially be a big orange slush fund.
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You might have seen this is exactly what teams like Texas and A&M are doing. I'd think something like this is already in the works. Lets hope a East Tennessee or group from Tennessee would join together and pay these men to do good things in their community and put their NIL out there to support what the non-profit is doing.
 
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GVol1966 said:
Everything is really irrelevant concerning NIL except for the Money “Boosting “ the program s.
If there’s money, you don’t need to worry about local business.
Like Texas , money was there, somebody start a non-profit and we will NIL every O linemen $50 K
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Nailed it! Exactly what we should be doing
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Check what Texas and A and M's non profits are paying linemen for signing. I think it is $100,000 each, but it could be $100,000 annually, I can't recall.
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Just read the article in this thread where Texas is paying each Offesive lineman $50,000 a year and up to 250,000 for a five year deal. Crazy.

I will just quote Coach Barnes ( hope that does not violate rules quoting a basketball coach in a football thread). Barnes said when asked about NIL effecting recruiting, said (I will have to paraphrase for length). Here goes....most kids we are recruiting don"t ask about NIL. If they do want to discuss NIL....we inform them what the university can and cannot do legally. If they continue discussion it's a red flag and possible issue where we may want to reevaluate this particular recruit. Barnes continues....I think NIL will be the catalyst that fills up the portal in two to three years.
Barnes says.... some of the offers he has seen are not sustainable and possible issues for oversite. Barnes final words....run a clean program with great facilities and do not apologize for refusing to try and match insanity.
 
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Tennessee's businesses should band together. Establish a NIL contribution account, set up a committee to work with the AD as to which players and recruits get how much quarterly (or semester by semester) and implement it. Find out if contributions are tax-deductible, and maybe set amounts or percentages each business contributions regularly to keep it funded. Just popping off the top of my head without knowing anything.
 
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sjt18 said:
That pretty much depends on A) businesses with UT connections and B) fan willingness to support businesses with UT NIL's. There are a lot of businesses that can and maybe even should do it. Doesn't Benji Shuler own a Real Estate company in East TN? How many dozens are there like him across the state? Pilot Flying J?

Even someone who owned a small chain of restaurants or franchises could get involved.

Not sure why you think this is such a hopeless situation. It just takes commitment from businesses IMO. Fan support has never really wavered.
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I’m curious how many of these business owners are already boosters. Do they stop supporting the school to support the athletes? Some mix of school and NIL $?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Tennessee's businesses should band together. Establish a NIL contribution account, set up a committee to work with the AD as to which players and recruits get how much quarterly (or semester by semester) and implement it. Find out if contributions are tax-deductible, and maybe set amounts or percentages each business contributions regularly to keep it funded. Just popping off the top of my head without knowing anything.
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Woodman...good read. However, think maybe oversite violation once you said... have AD meet with business to determine fair distribution.
As I understand University can not be involved....gets into pay for play and clear oversite violation.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
You are correct - we don't have the brands that would benefit or be interested in any kind of sponsorship similar to some of the major markets or those with oil money backing them. People throwing out small businesses - we are toast compared to schools that will get NIL deals from Coke and/or wealthy boosters. I have said before - we really only have a small handful of potential NIL brands - Our fans don't seem to understand that a few hundred dollars from Petro's Chili will not buy a top tier qb or an entire defensive line.
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I’m not sure multinational companies will get involved. If they do it will likely be at multiple schools and follow the talent. They don’t endorse the programs but if you’re always on TV and have name/face recognition to put as the face of the brand that’s where they will play.
 
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GoVols64 said:
I’m curious how many of these business owners are already boosters. Do they stop supporting the school to support the athletes? Some mix of school and NIL $?
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Why would they? If NIL didn't bring them more customers/profit then they wouldn't continue it. But would you pay a couple of bucks more for a UT shirt advertised by Hooker in a banner ad over a page here? I think I would. The business owners are facilitators of US supporting UT athletes. Few if any business owners are able to simply take that kind of money out of their pockets. The exchange has to help both the player and the company.
 
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In respond to and earlier assertion about Bershire Hathaway....Warren Buffett (91) lives in Omaha, Nebraska in the same house he bought in 1958. Don't think he is interested in buying football players.
 
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Smith and Wesson is soon to be a Maryville-based company if it’s not already, but…
 
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Aladywhovolunteer said:
Woodman...good read. However, think maybe oversite violation once you said... have AD meet with business to determine fair distribution.
As I understand University can not be involved....gets into pay for play and clear oversite violation.
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Maybe booster sponsored? Or wholly local business thing. Something that's coordinated and permanent. But again, I don't know anything, just popping off.
 
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TartanTurff said:
To get a look at the power of NIL in a completely unregulated environment look no further than the incoming A & M recruiting class, which should grade out higher than most in the SEC, Jimbo is a good coach, but he's not been close to the playoff since he's been at Aggie Land, but a school with oil wells on campus and plenty of well healed boosters and sponsors, their local and regional NIL sponsor pool is in a different strata than what you would find at most schools eligible for a six pack bowl bid in the SEC.
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In my opinion, SEC (all of us) will live to regret the addition of Texas A@M and Missouri. Once Commissioner Slive accomplished this feat, immediately Oklahoma and Texas started poking their nose under the tent. With the approval of Texas and Oklahoma to join the conference, we have set off an arms race that no one wanted and is not sustainable.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL... you like so many others only look at the negatives as they apply to UT and think somehow the positives only apply to others.

I have no way of knowing what Benji's marketing budget is... it was just an example of a small company that could do things... and be multiplied by many across the state.

Why would Berkshire support OK State? I think you are confusing Buffett with Pickens.

According to the terms of Berkshire's buyout, the Haslams will maintain 20% ownership even after '23 and will operate the company.

Again, this comes down to businesses and consumers that want to support UT through NIL... and there is WAY more than enough potential to compete.

Just another example. My dentist is part of a local chain with 3 or 4 locations. They could easily do an NIL with a Mizzou player or two. There is a John Deere dealer with several locations across MO who could do the same. There's a large printing company near me that could do it. The Cattleman's and Hog Producers Associations could do it... and could pressure companies like Smithfield and JBS into doing something. Insurance agents could combine their resources to do it.

There are a million different ways to skin this particular cat. It just takes some initiative AND for companies that would like to do it... to see companies that do it being successful because of it.
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Ah! let's come up with innovative ways to pressure companies into funding NIL just for our school. Why didn't I think of that?
As one poster said it is difficult to get people to donate $20 to a charity that is a really good cause. Your dentist is not going to be funding $250,000 for linemen -
short of having billionaires that want to back our play - don't see it happening successfully here.

Meanwhile the players NIL are competing against the school who keeps raising ticket prices for games. It's a brand war - UT vs. the student athlete. It seemed like a better model when there were student athletes.

Let's see- who is getting the higher rated offensive lineman ? The school with the NIL paying $250,000 or the one offering all the Petro's and Calhoun's bbq you can eat?

The Wizard could be backing Nebraska instead of Oklahoma State if he wanted to - but I don't see that ever happening.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Ah! let's come up with innovative ways to pressure companies into funding NIL just for our school. Why didn't I think of that?
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Who said anything about pressuring them? I would call it REWARDING THEM for doing what many or most would like to do anyway.

As one poster said it is difficult to get people to donate $20 to a charity that is a really good cause. Your dentist is not going to be funding $250,000 for linemen -
short of having billionaires that want to back our play - don't see it happening successfully here.
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You really don't understand, do you? Most players aren't going to get $250K. The best ones are likely to get $5K here and $10K there and maybe total $100K per year. NIL requires that the company actually use the name, image, or likeness of a player in a meaningful, business related way.

Meanwhile the players NIL are competing against the school who keeps raising ticket prices for games. It's a brand war - UT vs. the student athlete. It seemed like a better model when there were student athletes.
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No. They simply aren't competing against the school or the price of admission. In what SPECIFIC way are you claiming that to be true.

You are still trying to operate on the false notion that supporters will or even CAN simply take the player on as a business loss. The player's NIL is to be used to benefit the business in tangible ways. Otherwise it is illegally paying the player.

Let's see- who is getting the higher rated offensive lineman ? The school with the NIL paying $250,000 or the one offering all the Petro's and Calhoun's bbq you can eat?
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Which schools are paying $250K for an offensive lineman? Be specific.

The Wizard could be backing Nebraska instead of Oklahoma State if he wanted to - but I don't see that ever happening.
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You had two different guys confused. Pickens has always supported OK State and will undoubtedly find ways to use their NIL in ads for his company. I very seriously doubt this is on Buffett's radar but without doubt is on Haslam's radar.
 
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