Tennessee HC job.....Just how does it stack up???

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Too some extent, the job is as relevant as the fans and the athletic department make it. For example, had you asked this question in the 90's the Florida job would have been the only SEC school that would've compared to the UT job,and Bama would have entered the conversation simply because of the tradition.

Looking back to UK's coaching search for a basketball coach, I distinctly remember that tradition and expectation may have been a deterrent rather than a positive when searching for a new head man.

In that sense UT would be a perfect job. They have been more than patient with CPF, and at the same time they have a fan base that travels as well as any and is loyally devoted to the success of the program.

Sure, it might be easier to win at a Florida school or at USC, but as I mentioned in a previous thread, do we want a coach that picks the easy road? In that same line of thinking, it appears that Urban Meyer is at Florida, yet he seems to continue to outwork most coaches in the country when it comes to detail and game prep.
 
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lawgator1 said:
$4 million in Tuscaloosa is the equivalent of $10 million in Miami.
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You struck my curiosity. Of course that is the mean so distressed neighborhoods would bring down the avg.

Salary in Tuscaloosa AL:
$4,000,000
Comparable salary in Miami-Dade County FL:
$4,814,582.02

If you move from Tuscaloosa AL to Miami-Dade County FL...

Groceries will cost: 2.1% more Housing will cost: 74.395% more Utilities will cost: 4.506% more Transportation will cost: 3.067% more Healthcare will cost: 14.261% more
 
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Lexvol said:
Too some extent, the job is as relevant as the fans and the athletic department make it. For example, had you asked this question in the 90's the Florida job would have been the only SEC school that would've compared to the UT job,and Bama would have entered the conversation simply because of the tradition.

Looking back to UK's coaching search for a basketball coach, I distinctly remember that tradition and expectation may have been a deterrent rather than a positive when searching for a new head man.

In that sense UT would be a perfect job. They have been more than patient with CPF, and at the same time they have a fan base that travels as well as any and is loyally devoted to the success of the program.

Sure, it might be easier to win at a Florida school or at USC, but as I mentioned in a previous thread, do we want a coach that picks the easy road? In that same line of thinking, it appears that Urban Meyer is at Florida, yet he seems to continue to outwork most coaches in the country when it comes to detail and game prep.
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on point one, agreed, if there is one selling point is that we don't tend to have "knee jerk" reactions or a history of high turonver at the football HC posisiton...2 coaches, 30 years. that's a plus.

and on point 2, i think Nick Saban can fall in the same category, assuming this is not another stop on the CNS coaching tour.
 
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jakez4ut said:
on point one, agreed, if there is one selling point is that we don't tend to have "knee jerk" reactions or a history of high turonver at the football HC posisiton...2 coaches, 30 years. that's a plus.

and on point 2, i think Nick Saban can fall in the same category, assuming this is not another stop on the CNS coaching tour.
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In that respect, I can see where the UT job would be much more attractive for an up and comer like Rodriquez than the Bama job was.
 
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Neyland's Ghost said:
I don't understand Alabama being a better job than Tennessee.

Facilities alone in Knoxville are better than Tuscaloosa.

Don't sleep on the fact that the University of Tennessee's Athletic Department is self-supporting. They take no money from the state, and in reality actually help fund the Academic side of the University. That's a big plus for a coach smart enough to recognize it as a perk.

The AD doesn't have nearly the pressure from the Administration in a situation like that, as opposed to somewhere that doesn't have that luxury.
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It's not really that you can't understand it....it's that natural bias won't allow you to accept it. From every single possible measurement, the Bama HC job is as good or better than UT....and that certainly include facilities. The investment they've put in down there is impressive, from the stadium to the football complex to the academic center. They're about to expand the stadium again to over 100k.
 
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brg72 said:
You struck my curiosity. Of course that is the mean so distressed neighborhoods would bring down the avg.

Salary in Tuscaloosa AL:
$4,000,000
Comparable salary in Miami-Dade County FL:
$4,814,582.02

If you move from Tuscaloosa AL to Miami-Dade County FL...

Groceries will cost: 2.1% more Housing will cost: 74.395% more Utilities will cost: 4.506% more Transportation will cost: 3.067% more Healthcare will cost: 14.261% more
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Please, man. Don't confuse the spin with a bunch of facts like that. Repeat after me: Saban only went to Bama for the money...and please ignore the drop on the W2 from his Miami departure.
 
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brg72 said:
You struck my curiosity. Of course that is the mean so distressed neighborhoods would bring down the avg.

Salary in Tuscaloosa AL:
$4,000,000
Comparable salary in Miami-Dade County FL:
$4,814,582.02

If you move from Tuscaloosa AL to Miami-Dade County FL...

Groceries will cost: 2.1% more Housing will cost: 74.395% more Utilities will cost: 4.506% more Transportation will cost: 3.067% more Healthcare will cost: 14.261% more
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Well, obviously I was exaggerating somewhat, but evidently we now have our explanation for the willingness to go from $5 million to $4 million. How about that differential in housing? Wow.

I used to know a site that made that comparison and I'm guessing you have it. Can you remind me again what it is?
 
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brg72 said:
If LSU is high on everyone's list, then why are they potentially looking for a new head coach (again) if these rumours are true. Saban left, Miles will leave after 3 seasons. Is baton rouge just crappy place to live?
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Miles going to where he played his college football has more to do with it than anything else.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, obviously I was exaggerating somewhat, but evidently we now have our explanation for the willingness to go from $5 million to $4 million. How about that differential in housing? Wow.

I used to know a site that made that comparison and I'm guessing you have it. Can you remind me again what it is?
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Yeah i know you were exaggerating. I am always curious of the cost of living in thoughout the US. I used

Cost of Living - Cost of Living Calculator from CNNMoney

Of course housing is the key and ur assertion is right on actually. A 4 million dollar home in Tuscaloosa would be 10-15 million in Miami. Location, location, location
 
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brg72 said:
If LSU is high on everyone's list, then why are they potentially looking for a new head coach (again) if these rumours are true. Saban left, Miles will leave after 3 seasons. Is baton rouge just crappy place to live?
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No. Saban left for the NFL, as would 99% of any other college coach. Miles will be going back to his alma mater. LSU just fell into bad situations with their past two coaches.
 
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VolfanMike said:
wonder who LSU will hire if Miles leaves....Pelini or Jimbo?
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I really think that the HC position at FSU is slated for Jimbo Fisher. Everyone down here seems to think that.

Note: The athletic director at FSU resigned yesterday. He'd been told he was not going to have his contract renewed at start of next year, so he's going out gracefully with a nive buy-out. But in my mind that signals the end of the Bowden era, as well.

Note II: Last Sunday, after losing to Miami, someone put a "For Sale" sign in Bowden's front yard. Even I, who really doesn't think much of Bowden and his performance over the last ten years, think that stinks. But its a sign of the times up there. They are a shadow of their former selves.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I really think that the HC position at FSU is slated for Jimbo Fisher. Everyone down here seems to think that.

Note: The athletic director at FSU resigned yesterday. He'd been told he was not going to have his contract renewed at start of next year, so he's going out gracefully with a nive buy-out. But in my mind that signals the end of the Bowden era, as well.

Note II: Last Sunday, after losing to Miami, someone put a "For Sale" sign in Bowden's front yard. Even I, who really doesn't think much of Bowden and his performance over the last ten years, think that stinks. But its a sign of the times up there. They are a shadow of their former selves.
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Agreed that Florida State has not performed up to their own standards since 2001. However, they did play in the BCS National Championship Game 3 straight times in the past 10 years.
 
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allvol said:
Agreed that Florida State has not performed up to their own standards since 2001. However, they did play in the BCS National Championship Game 3 straight times in the past 10 years.
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It would be one thing if they'd been competitive, sort of a close but no cigar type of thing. But they have completely fallen of the map, the decline is palpable, and it shows no signs of getting any better.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I really think that the HC position at FSU is slated for Jimbo Fisher. Everyone down here seems to think that.

Note: The athletic director at FSU resigned yesterday. He'd been told he was not going to have his contract renewed at start of next year, so he's going out gracefully with a nive buy-out. But in my mind that signals the end of the Bowden era, as well.

Note II: Last Sunday, after losing to Miami, someone put a "For Sale" sign in Bowden's front yard. Even I, who really doesn't think much of Bowden and his performance over the last ten years, think that stinks. But its a sign of the times up there. They are a shadow of their former selves.
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Well heres my opinion on that: Bowden needs to go, we all know that. But, who is going to tell him he's fired? He has went on record of saying that he wants to die on the field, that could mean at least another decade of him.

If you remember a couple of years ago up in Happy Valley PA. The AD and a bunch of other suits walked into JoPa's office and urged him to retire, JoePa told them to get of my office and slammed the door on them. My point is, when coaches are allowed to hang around that long there is no one with enough testies to say you have to leave now. Thanks for the memories, but hit the road. I know Bowden and JoePa both are just on the field for the sake of being there, but who is going to tell them the parties over?
 
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VolfanMike said:
Well heres my opinion on that: Bowden needs to go, we all know that. But, who is going to tell him he's fired? He has went on record of saying that he wants to die on the field, that could mean at least another decade of him.

If you remember a couple of years ago up in Happy Valley PA. The AD and a bunch of other suits walked into JoPa's office and urged him to retire, JoePa told them to get of my office and slammed the door on them. My point is, when coaches are allowed to hang around that long there is no one with enough testies to say you have to leave now. Thanks for the memories, but hit the road. I know Bowden and JoePa both are just on the field for the sake of being there, but who is going to tell them the parties over?
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Ummmm... you trying to make another point sort of sideways there, Mike?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ummmm... you trying to make another point sort of sideways there, Mike?
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point is, who is going to tell Bowden that he has to go? Would love to see that happen, I just don't see Bobby going anywhere until he is ready to leave. What do you think?
 
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VolfanMike said:
point is, who is going to tell Bowden that he has to go? Would love to see that happen, I just don't see Bobby going anywhere until he is ready to leave. What do you think?
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I don't think you understood my question. I thought your above post might have been a backdoor way of talking about Fulmer. Guess not.

As to Bowden, I don't know. I mean, they've got the statue of him out there and Bowden is THE guy who took that team from the sewer to national powerhouse, with sustained success. His program has literally meant billions to that school and that town over the years. A certain amount of ANY success that FSU has as an institution is going to be traceable to Bobby Bowden.

On the flip side, he is arguably the greatest victim of his own success in recorded history. When you are in the Top 5 for ten years running, in the NC hunt virtually every year, and then you find yourself just a few years after that worrying about being bowl eligible (and for several years in a row), there is clearly a problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think you understood my question. I thought your above post might have been a backdoor way of talking about Fulmer. Guess not.

As to Bowden, I don't know. I mean, they've got the statue of him out there and Bowden is THE guy who took that team from the sewer to national powerhouse, with sustained success. His program has literally meant billions to that school and that town over the years. A certain amount of ANY success that FSU has as an institution is going to be traceable to Bobby Bowden.

On the flip side, he is arguably the greatest victim of his own success in recorded history. When you are in the Top 5 for ten years running, in the NC hunt virtually every year, and then you find yourself just a few years after that worrying about being bowl eligible (and for several years in a row), there is clearly a problem.
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I agree with you that Bowden has done ALOT for Seminole country. But, I wonder what goes through a coaches mind of that caliber. He built a powerhouse football team, including a fan base that stretches from the pan handle of FL to desert in Tempe. Then all of a sudden you wake up and a for sale sign is in your front yard. I just wonder how that feels for Bowden, I wonder if he realizes that I really need to step down now! Or does he think that if I can get one more ACC championship under me I will ride out into the sunset.

On a side note, I understand where you thought I was referencing CPF. In no way do I think CPF should be compared to Bowden on some terms. Yes they both have rings, but Bowden inherited a F-state team that was flat out terrible and took them to the promise land. Fulmer took over a seccg team and just up'd them one level. They were both great coaches in their time, but when and what does it take to realize that parties over?
 
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Getting back to the original question (Tennessee HC job......Just how does it stack up???), I havent read all the posts in this thread so if it has already been posted, accept my apologies. Was listening to talk radio this morning in the Bham area and your athletic director was on saying that "he didnt think UT's head coaching job was all that attractive. When you take into consideration only 5.2 million in the state to recruit from and all the pressure and competition that comes with being in the SEC-E, how could it be an attractive job". I quoted it as best as I remember, but was a little surprised by him saying that. I think any job in the upper echelon of the SEC is an attractive job....and UT is still upper echelon regardless of record. I guess thats his way of somehow sidestepping the possibility of having to fire CPF should the season continue going south using the argument of "Who else are we going to get". I heard the same argument for Bama last year.
 
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LSU is not an attractive job.

Have you ever been to Baton Rouge? Ever smelled it? They have alarms that go off to warn you of toxic fumes. Its a disgusting place.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
That's also why Nick took a 1 million dollar pay cut to leave Miami and come to Tuscaloosa.
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so he gave up 5 mil a year for probably one or two more years in miami (his seat was heating up fast). he accepted, what, an 8 year deal at Bama for 32 mil, with a large buyout clause? I know I am just an uneducated Tennessee fan, but it doesn't seem like he ultimately gave up money to coach at the Almighty Bama.
 
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