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Proud Army Wife said:
No it's just that the east was down when Butch coached and recruited those players. Let's face it. The only reason we won the games we did back then was because of his star players such as Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara, Jennings pulling wins out of their asses.
We've not been consistent at QB as of late. JG has improved, but idk if that's enough to win 9 games next season. Maybe he will, or maybe HB comes in and lights it up, idk.
All im saying is calling for Pruitts head if he doesn't get us 9 wins is a little premature imo.
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So you are saying if there's not improvement in year three, we should just accept it? JG is not relevant. Pruitt has had time to get his own QB in place. And I have no clue what your position about winning under Butch because we had "star players" is hoping to accomplish. So Butch recruited and coached up "star players"? Dumb post
 
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CrybabyVol said:
Why? Was Butch a terrible recruiter? I don't recollect that, but I'm willing to be educated.

Mullen is a terrible recruiter (besides this year). We have taken Georgia's OC. What should expectations be in year in the third year? I'm not a Botch apologist, but he won nine games. He's two miracle throws from 10. My expectations are nine wins next year at a minimum. If that doesn't happen, Pruitt needs to go.
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Yes, Butch Jones was a terrible recruiter. It's long past time to put the myth that he was a good recruiter to rest. He didn't recruit for needs and couldn't evaluate then a lot of his recruits transferred out from the program. In what F'ing bizarro world does a great recruiter do those things? Are those the same attributes of Clemson or Alabama recruiting? What am I missing here? Convince me Butch actually was a great recruiter.
 
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CrybabyVol said:
So you are saying if there's not improvement in year three, we should just accept it? JG is not relevant. Pruitt has had time to get his own QB in place. And I have no clue what your position about winning under Butch because we had "star players" is hoping to accomplish. So Butch recruited and coached up "star players"? Dumb post
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Bless your heart. Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking. 8 wins next year is an improvement. Our schedule next year is tougher. According to you we should fire Pruitt if we don't win 9 games? Yeah that's smart, let's fire another coach and begin yet another round of the f*©kery we've endured the past decade. What coach are we going to hire? Maybe you should turn your application in the athletic dept since you're an expert.

Butch had high recruiting classes, but he did not recruit the kind of players needed to compete at the line of scrimmage in the SEC. He was a terrible game-day coach way in over his head. I mentioned those "star" players because 1) yes, they are the only reason we won games we shouldn't have.
2) notice how we went 4-8 and winless in the SEC when those players left.
3) you're the one who was complaining how he had winning seasons and we're not there yet.
Idk if you're just oblivious to reality or what. JG has had what 4-5 frikin different OC's, and hadsn't lived up to his recruiting ranking. Wonder why? 🤔 He's had no stability in coaching! You said Pruitt has had time to get a competent QB in place. Who would that be exactly? Which elite QB do you think he could of pulled here in the dumpster fire that was our program? Thank your lucky stars Harrison Bailey is coming. Pruitt and co. are coaching up these guys. They are a young group, but they are showing promise. He got rid of the cancers on the team and what do ya know, the team improved. They're buying in. We've got some elite coaches on our staff who know what they're doing. I think I can speak for the majority of fans when I say this is a 4-5yr rebuild. You though can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Messageboard fans of one SEC rival sniping at another SEC rival. Imagine that. Glad we are above that.
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I'm glad we are back to where they fear us enough to try and trash us.

"Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train comin' your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train comin' your way, hey, yeah"
 
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Zues1 said:
He righted the ship. At this point it's an improvement. Accept it's his second year, next year will answer a lot of questions
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Agreed. Ultimately he needs better players. Case in point, with JG as QB, could we realistically expect anything better than 5-3 in conference?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Still struggling to be concerned over improving our QB situation, but I appreciate your attempts to change my mind. ;)

Trask was behind a highly rated dual threat QB who wound up signing at Houston.

That said, Trask was a 2* recruit with an offer list that included Tulsa, Louisiana Lafayette, Fresno State and some school named Houston Baptist. UF was his only P5 offer.
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I loathe the gators, but I like Trask. The kid has moxey and how he stepped up and finished the season is impressive. I love stories about low rated players becoming great.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Bless your heart. Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking. 8 wins next year is an improvement. Our schedule next year is tougher. According to you we should fire Pruitt if we don't win 9 games? Yeah that's smart, let's fire another coach and begin yet another round of the f*©kery we've endured the past decade. What coach are we going to hire? Maybe you should turn your application in the athletic dept since you're an expert.

Butch had high recruiting classes, but he did not recruit the kind of players needed to compete at the line of scrimmage in the SEC. He was a terrible game-day coach way in over his head. I mentioned those "star" players because 1) yes, they are the only reason we won games we shouldn't have.
2) notice how we went 4-8 and winless in the SEC when those players left.
3) you're the one who was complaining how he had winning seasons and we're not there yet.
Idk if you're just oblivious to reality or what. JG has had what 4-5 frikin different OC's, and hadsn't lived up to his recruiting ranking. Wonder why? 🤔 He's had no stability in coaching! You said Pruitt has had time to get a competent QB in place. Who would that be exactly? Which elite QB do you think he could of pulled here in the dumpster fire that was our program? Thank your lucky stars Harrison Bailey is coming. Pruitt and co. are coaching up these guys. They are a young group, but they are showing promise. He got rid of the cancers on the team and what do ya know, the team improved. They're buying in. We've got some elite coaches on our staff who know what they're doing. I think I can speak for the majority of fans when I say this is a 4-5yr rebuild. You though can't see the forest for the trees.
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The reading comprehension attack! Always a winner. And no, this isn't a 4-5 rebuild. The only two teams on our schedule that have vastly superior rosters are Alabama and Georgia. There is no reason in year three JP shouldn't win at least nine regular season games. I agree with you that Botch was a terrible game-day coach, but he didn't leave us devoid of talent to compete and beat anyone except the likes of Alabama and Georgia. After three recruiting cycles, ground should be made up, and it's not. Bless your heart.
 
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CrybabyVol said:
The reading comprehension attack! Always a winner. And no, this isn't a 4-5 rebuild. The only two teams on our schedule that have vastly superior rosters are Alabama and Georgia. There is no reason in year three JP shouldn't win at least nine regular season games. I agree with you that Botch was a terrible game-day coach, but he didn't leave us devoid of talent to compete and beat anyone except the likes of Alabama and Georgia. After three recruiting cycles, ground should be made up, and it's not. Bless your heart.
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Oh yeah, the talent left by Butch was good enough to compete with everyone except Bama and GA. The same talent that he didn't develop? That had a losing mindset and entitled attitude? That had no strength and conditioning for over 2 seasons? Yeah they were "talented" on paper, but it pretty much ends there. Our dl and ol players he left us with were all under 300lbs! That will get you beat in the SEC.
If you don't remember, Pruitt was astonished how small the players were when he got here. Listen, he had his work cut out for him. Don't sit there and say he's had 3 full recruiting cycles. No! He missed the early signing period. He had what, like a month to put a class together. Most of those were juco's and transfers. There weren't elite recruits left to get. I don't know what kind of class you expected him to land in that short amount of time. He managed to pull a top 12 class the next season landing 2 5* players, 4 if you count Crouch and To'o-to'o because they were at a point before signing with us. That's after going 5-7 in his first season as a head coach for crying out loud.
Pruitt has had his mistakes of course. Hiring Helton was one of them. We saw how that played out. Since then though we've got Chaney, Tee, Ansley, etc. 3 of our coaches are previous national recruiters of the year. Pruitt learned and surrounded himself with elite experienced coaches.
Yes, losing to state and BYU was an embarrassment, big time. The state game I blame him for not having them prepared. I think that has something to do with culture which I'll get to here in a min. The BYU game however was on poor play by JG (surprise) and a whiffed assignment by Taylor. Fla game also terrible. There's too many reasons for that loss that I'm not even gonna go there. I'm baffled at our number of losses to them even when we had elite rosters including frikin Peyton Manning. Anywho, they had a meeting after that game. Pruitt and other players have even stated that was the turning point in the season.
Listen, Pruitt had to change the culture of the program. A lot of those kids had to get out of their loser mind-set and get used to a no-nonsense all work coach that is Pruitt. He had to deal with a lot of lazy players who just didnt care and expected participation trophies. How many of those kids are playing now? Sapp walked off the field in the middle of a game last season for crying out loud. They were quitters.
Bottom line. This is a very young team. We played more freshman than any other program in the SEC. He had to recruit players that will fit his culture, playing style, and who have strong work ethic. They are going to make mistakes, but they are most definitely being coached up. This roster has improved and they've been getting the strength and conditioning they've been missing for 2yrs. If we get consistent QB play next yr sure we can win 9 games. I just don't think firing a coach on his 3rd yr as a head coach that wins us 8 games is beneficial to the program when you look at the realistic facts of its recent history.
Now, I rest my case unless you want to argue more absurd nonsense. Lurke more, post less. Your screename is fitting.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Auburn and Kentucky were ranked so they were upsets. We were underdogs against Mizzou and Vandy and they both had good senior Qb’s. Stop trying to revise history in order to slam Pruitt at the end of the season. No one expected us to win the last two games.
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I actually expected to beat Vandy this yr lol, but Mizzou, I expected to lose before and after the first half of the season. Expected to win a close one once they derailed during the second half. Exactly what happened. Go me lol.
 
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#115
Coaches and players deserve plenty of credit for holding it together after the terrible start.

Past iterations of this team would have packed it in and not made a bowl game.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Butch had high recruiting classes, but he did not recruit the kind of players needed to compete at the line of scrimmage in the SEC.
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Trey Smith, Jashon Robertson, Jack Jones, Ryan Johnson, Cade Mays, Kahlil McKenzie and Derek Barnett all say hey.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Trey Smith, Jashon Robertson, Jack Jones, Ryan Johnson, Cade Mays, Kahlil McKenzie and Derek Barnett all say hey.
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Hmm, curious to see if Butch was their main recruiter or someone else on his staff. He recruited well because he picked whatever blue-chips he could find. He didn't coach and develop them properly once they got here. A handful rised above the ashes, but as a whole, the majority didnt achieve much. Butch was just an AAC coach pretending he had what it took to run a blue-blood program.
If you look at the roster going into Pruitts first year, there were only 8 dl/ol of Butch's players that weighed over 300lbs. Don't act like our o-line wasn't complete trash because you, I, and everybody else knows it was.
Here if you don't believe me:
https://utsports.com/sports/football/roster/2018
Rucker: Let’s be real about size, scope of Vols’ rebuild

Let me know if you need more information. You delusional Butch worshippers baffle me.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Hmm, curious to see if Butch was their main recruiter or someone else on his staff. He recruited well because he picked whatever blue-chips he could find. He didn't coach and develop them properly once they got here. A handful rised above the ashes, but as a whole, the majority didnt achieve much. Butch was just an AAC coach pretending he had what it took to run a blue-blood program.
If you look at the roster going into Pruitts first year, there were only 8 dl/ol of Butch's players that weighed over 300lbs. Don't act like our o-line wasn't complete trash because you, I, and everybody else knows it was.
Here if you don't believe me:
https://utsports.com/sports/football/roster/2018
Rucker: Let’s be real about size, scope of Vols’ rebuild

Let me know if you need more information. You delusional Butch worshippers baffle me.
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First of all, I'm not an anyone worshipper. Secondly, Butch won three straight bowl games for you, so let's not act like his tenure at UT was totally unsuccessful. What happened to him in his fifth year (at least one of his problems) was the same thing that happened this year for Odom at MO and Mason at VU: it's damn near impossible to replace a multiple year, successful, NFL-caliber starting QB in the SEC and expect the same winning results.

To counter your point, is Jeremy Pruitt the lead recruiter on all of his recruits?

Despite any contradictory evidence one can provide, people like you still regurgitate the narrative that Butch was not a great recruiter. What were his class rankings? How do those compare to Pruitt's rankings? The other SEC schools - including Alabama - would have loved to have his recruits. How many of his players are or will be in the NFL? Butch couldn't coach or develop talent worth a damn but he and his staff were excellent recruiters.
 
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#119
Butch Jones and his staff recruited a handful of stars that went to the NFL. That doesn't make them stellar recruiters. Lots of college coaches recruit players that end up in the NFL. There's nothing really special about that. If Butch had been a stellar recruiter Pruitt would have walked into a scenario like Smart did when Richt was fired. He didn't. The roster was a shambles. From poor recruiting.

Great recruiters know how to evaluate. They don't bring in 4 and 5 star headcases with the wrong attitude. They build a whole team. They do it year after year. They compete for championships.

Butch did none of those things with his highly overrated recruiting classes. We were never a legitimate threat to win the SEC even when it was basically handed to us on a platter the one year.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I'm glad we are back to where they fear us enough to try and trash us.

"Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train comin' your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train comin' your way, hey, yeah"
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Are there no leafs on your clover?
 
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