Taylor the OC a no-brainer

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TBALLVOL

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Fulmer can't miss by making Taylor the OC and everything to lose. Already on the hot seat, he can't afford the grumblings of a weak recruiting season. Taylor is the best recruiter UT has now. The team loves him and to expect the team not to be affected by his loss going into next year when Fulmer desperately needs a good year is at best, wishful thinking. You lose your heart, you lose games, regardless of how well a game is called. Taylor has proven himself at every position he has held. He knows the offense better now than any other candidate out there,and he knows Fulmer, and Fulmer does not have to step out of his comfort zone on a less familiar candidate with unknown tendencies and loyalties. Fulmer can easily be forgiven for giving Taylor a chance, and even admired for it because he is giving a gifted African American coach an opportunity that he has earned to achieve. By not giving him that opportunity, it could work the other way, especially when another div. 1 school has offered him the opportunity, and is obviously impressed with his body of work. Fulmer does not need to bring someone in who is looking to retire. He needs a high energy type loyal to him and the system, if he is going to continue to promote his brand of football. Only Trooper Taylor offers him that, unless he decides to bring in a totally new system. Fulmer buys time, comfort, and respect and grace, from the fans, and the players,with Taylor. With anyone else, unless it was a sexy new offense with a firey OC, he's out at the first stumble. If Taylor does end up at Baylor, and is immediately successful, it will only magnify fan scrutiny of Fulmer and hasten the clock.
 
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by your assumption, you want to keep the current offense. That's where the differences lies. A lot of people want someone who can mix it up more. Do you really want to make Trooper to be a Cutcliffe, version II?
 
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volfanbill said:
by your assumption, you want to keep the current offense. That's where the differences lies. A lot of people want someone who can mix it up more. Do you really want to make Trooper to be a Cutcliffe, version II?
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I don't think UT's offensive system is bad at all. Execution and playcalling at times could be improved, but the system isn't bad.
 
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TBALLVOL said:
Fulmer can't miss by making Taylor the OC and everything to lose. Already on the hot seat, he can't afford the grumblings of a weak recruiting season. Taylor is the best recruiter UT has now. The team loves him and to expect the team not to be affected by his loss going into next year when Fulmer desperately needs a good year is at best, wishful thinking. You lose your heart, you lose games, regardless of how well a game is called. Taylor has proven himself at every position he has held. He knows the offense better now than any other candidate out there,and he knows Fulmer, and Fulmer does not have to step out of his comfort zone on a less familiar candidate with unknown tendencies and loyalties. Fulmer can easily be forgiven for giving Taylor a chance, and even admired for it because he is giving a gifted African American coach an opportunity that he has earned to achieve. By not giving him that opportunity, it could work the other way, especially when another div. 1 school has offered him the opportunity, and is obviously impressed with his body of work. Fulmer does not need to bring someone in who is looking to retire. He needs a high energy type loyal to him and the system, if he is going to continue to promote his brand of football. Only Trooper Taylor offers him that, unless he decides to bring in a totally new system. Fulmer buys time, comfort, and respect and grace, from the fans, and the players,with Taylor. With anyone else, unless it was a sexy new offense with a firey OC, he's out at the first stumble. If Taylor does end up at Baylor, and is immediately successful, it will only magnify fan scrutiny of Fulmer and hasten the clock.
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I like Trooper alot, and so do many here. That said, there is a tendency in corporations to promote to a level of incompetence (meaning if someone is good as a mail sorter, promote to mail manager, if performs well, promote to local manager, if performs well, promote to regional manager when they don't have the skills to manage over a distance.) No one questions Trooper in his ability to coach WRs, but is unproven in his play calling ability. With CPF on the hotseat somewhat, I don't think he has the luxury to take a chance on someone.

Because of the pressure from fans/boosters/AD, he has to hire a proven winner in my opinion.
 
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holdemvol said:
I don't think UT's offensive system is bad at all. Execution and playcalling at times could be improved, but the system isn't bad.
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playcalling is the system. We aren't running the same offense we ran in 1996 like some want to believe. The receiver routes have been dumbed down considerably for one.
 
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Baylor is the best opportunity that TT has to be an OC. He needs to start there and move up as he proves himself. i believe the current players would want him to do what is best for him to further his coaching career. Look what happened the last time we promoted someone that was not ready for the job.
 
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volfanbill said:
playcalling is the system. We aren't running the same offense we ran in 1996 like some want to believe. The receiver routes have been dumbed down considerably for one.
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Playcalling is not the system. Using the same playbook and overall philosophy, calling the right plays at the right times could produce a very explosive offense when combined with proper execution.
 
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Taylor is an unknown as an OC.

When Sanders was given the opportunity it didn't work out. Not sure Fulmer is the right coach to be mentoring offensive coordinators.
 
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TT should be given the chance though. Even if he fails, Fulmer would be gone with him if that happens. It would be a win-win situation for those wanting change. I think that if some of you are looking for this offensive system to change you are going to be disappointed. Fulmer runs the Major's system and will continue to as long as he is here. Only way we change offensive philosophies is when the next HC is hired.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
TT should be given the chance though. Even if he fails, Fulmer would be gone with him if that happens. It would be a win-win situation for those wanting change. I think that if some of you are looking for this offensive system to change you are going to be disappointed. Fulmer runs the Major's system and will continue to as long as he is here. Only way we change offensive philosophies is when the next HC is hired.
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Please attempt to explain this one.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You honestly think our offense has changed that much since Fulmer took over?? It hasn't, just the players running it.
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Our offense is light years beyond the split backs and pure I formation days under Majors. In fact, if you go back and look, the offense really got multiple when CPF became the OC at the end of the Majors era. I can't even remember seeing us in the shotgun until CPF started calling the plays.
 
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rbroyles said:
Sort of agree, hiring TT as OC could be evidence of no brain.
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I agree. Trooper Taylor has zero experience as an offensive coordinator, and UT is not a farm system. We are supposed to be an elite program. We need an experienced, proven offensive coordinator. If Taylor wants to be an offensive coordinator, he should probably move on to Baylor.
 
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GAVol said:
Our offense is light years beyond the split backs and pure I formation days under Majors. In fact, if you go back and look, the offense really got multiple when CPF became the OC at the end of the Majors era. I can't even remember seeing us in the shotgun until CPF started calling the plays.
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UT used a 4 WR, 1 RB formation when they destroyed Miami in the Sugar Bowl in 85. They used that formation most of the season. One of my all-time favorite games as a vol fan.

I've liked that spread type offense formation ever since. Not sure who was the OC in 85, pretty sure it wasn't Fulmer.
 
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GAVol said:
Our offense is light years beyond the split backs and pure I formation days under Majors. In fact, if you go back and look, the offense really got multiple when CPF became the OC at the end of the Majors era. I can't even remember seeing us in the shotgun until CPF started calling the plays.
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it's also been slowly regressing back to a very simple offense the past five years or so.
 
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oklavol said:
UT used a 4 WR, 1 RB formation when they destroyed Miami in the Sugar Bowl in 85. They used that formation most of the season. One of my all-time favorite games as a vol fan.

I've liked that spread type offense formation ever since. Not sure who was the OC in 85, pretty sure it wasn't Fulmer.
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I think the OC was Walt Harris. We may have run some 4 wides, but for the most part we had a TE and a FB on the field; especially after Tony Robinson went down. If you go back and look at the stats, I bet Darryl Dickey didn't throw for more than 150 yards in the Sugar Bowl.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the OC was Walt Harris. We may have run some 4 wides, but for the most part we had a TE and a FB on the field; especially after Tony Robinson went down. If you go back and look at the stats, I bet Darryl Dickey didn't throw for more than 150 yards in the Sugar Bowl.
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I would venture to guess that a fullback and a tight end were on the field for over 80% of the plays Tennessee ran in '85, and that number is probably 90%+ after Dickey took over.
 
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holdemvol said:
I don't think Uta's offensive system is bad at all. Execution and playcalling at times could be improved, but the system isn't bad.
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It is a no brainier not to hire him...He is more of the same. As an AHC, Taylor as much as I love him, did not always ensure that the execution was done as well as expected...He is more of a Buddy to the PLAYERS than he is a Coach... To put him into this position at this time could result in a lot of meets where the players are standing around hold hands and singing kumbaa....When he is seasoned bring him back this is the wrong time...
 
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Only reason we didn't run a true FB this season is because we didn't have one. Remember the Bryson and Bartholomew days?? That didn't look like anything new to me other than smash mouth football that we have played for the past 20 years or so. I don't think we have had a true FB in the past 3 years really.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
TT should be given the chance though. Even if he fails, Fulmer would be gone with him if that happens. It would be a win-win situation for those wanting change. I think that if some of you are looking for this offensive system to change you are going to be disappointed. Fulmer runs the Major's system and will continue to as long as he is here. Only way we change offensive philosophies is when the next HC is hired.
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So this validates the arguement to bring in new blood to run this system... I do not think this validates hiring TT.
I hope CPF meant Mixing it up literally... I do not want more of the same and I feel we have to go outside the Box for an OC to do that...
 
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It would be hard to get an OC from another elite program, if the OC is being successful. If he's not successful, we would not want him, besides, Fulmer is not going to allow the new OC to install his own system. An up-and-commer from a smaller school or division is not going to have the recruiting connections, that trooper has established. Recruiting instead of playcalling has been more important to TN anyway.
 
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With Trooper, you must ask yourself just one thing.

Is he the best offensive coordinator CPF could possibly hire?

If your answer is yes then, while I disagree, I respect that line of thinking. But if your answer is he's the best because(insert reason, ie.. we need his recruiting..) then this I do not respect. It is wrongheaded thinking of the highest order.

If your answer is no, then let the interview process begin, and let's go make the right hire.

This is too important an opportunity to watch be frittered away.
 
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I can't see TT being a carbon copy of anybody even if he runs the same offence. His personality will come out in his play calling I believe and if it is successful then CPF will not complain. Bartholmew will have to beat out Cooper for FB and Cooper will have at least a years head start.
 
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