Swain wants Butch to emulate Dabo

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CAVPUT said:
I've always felt a head coach should be a CEO type/face of the program and hire the best talent to do the heavy lifting. As for the rest of his comments, I agree with each and every one except possibly Jennings remaining at WR. Think he would serve us better at safety. Starting to wonder about Warrior a wee bit.
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If a player is performing well, you don't want to move him on a whim. Croom was not super productive at WR, and moving him to TE worked. Jennings has been the clutch receiver, making the big play when we needed it most. You don't screw with that.

Warrior is living up to his name. Just because as a freshman he did not usurp veteran players you are critical of is no reason to panic.

Highly rated players who have been here longer and yet to make more of an impact? Now, that is a concern. Especially with the high number of injuries this year.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This morning, Swain and Stokes talking about Dabo taking Clemson to next level in recent years.
They say he did this by hiring guys that are smarter than him at OC and DC.
Said that Dabo realized his strengths were more as a recruiter and motivator than as a play caller.
They say that Butch would also be best suited in this role if he's not afraid to hire some strong coordinators and give them free reign.

On a few other subjects,
Swain thinks Blackburn gets AD job in February, thinks Clemson beats Bama, and wants Byrd to primarily play on defense next year with a few reps per game at receiver.
Says Jennings will be primary go to receiver with Malone gone and have to step up off the field as a team leader.
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Last year, Butch hire one of the most respected DC in College football. Injuries took most of his first team talent out for a majority of the season and some of our fans were/are calling for his hide. The same fans will complain about whomever is filling the DC and OC positions. I personally agree that the only way a team can win championships is to have a head coach, similar to Jones and Dabo. The difference has been the ability to recruit and develop skilled players with positive attitudes who can be taught the finer aspects of the game. The other very important coach is the S&C . Hopefully,that will be done in the next couple of weeks. Also, Dabo has been at Clemson longer than Jones has been at Tennessee. It took Dabo a few years to learn the ropes. Jones is learning and will be fine.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Stupid post. Fulmer always had top 10 classes...thats not debatable. His team's were loaded...like 3 NFL backs, 4 out of 5 offensive linemen to NFL, and half the defense. The question is how many more championships could he have won if we could have actually beaten Florida. Stupid post is stupid. Fulmer is in the college HOF for a reason.
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He had more than a few non top 10 classes. Especially in the latter years. His last class finished 35th. Was primed to have a top 5 class the next season if he hadn't been fired...but how many would've stuck?
 

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Doyle Hargraves said:
Again the debate is whether or not Jones is willing to adjust the offense to the type of players he has. You seem to be dodging and deflecting.
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You made the statement that Hurd didn't fit the scheme. I disagreed and used the fact that he was very close to breaking a school record with a history of great backs. That says he indeed did fit the scheme.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I'd be willing to bet you my right arm he never told Hurd he would revamp the offense just for him.
And changes were made for JD. That's my point.
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He wasn't told that the entire offense was gonna change but he was being told while he was being recruited (and as recently as last year) what changes would be made to put him into something that would give him the best chance to succeed. I found Trey Smith's post commitment comments on his "brand" at UT interesting knowing all of this.

Can you wipe with your left?:)

Jalen got some bad advice and made a bad decision on his own IMO. It would shock a lot of people to know who else holds this opinion
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Stupid post. Fulmer always had top 10 classes...thats not debatable. His team's were loaded...like 3 NFL backs, 4 out of 5 offensive linemen to NFL, and half the defense. The question is how many more championships could he have won if we could have actually beaten Florida. Stupid post is stupid. Fulmer is in the college HOF for a reason.
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Once Richt, Meyer, Miles, et al entered the conference his recruiting started to slip. Look at the number of guys entering the NFL on those 2005 - 2008 teams versus the late 90s-early 2000s teams.

When the SEC was just a 2 man show (him and Spurrier) he was a great recruiter, but never as good as Spurrier was.
 
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05_never_again said:
Once Richt, Meyer, Miles, et al entered the conference his recruiting started to slip. Look at the number of guys entering the NFL on those 2005 - 2008 teams versus the late 90s-early 2000s teams.

When the SEC was just a 2 man show (him and Spurrier) he was a great recruiter, but never as good as Spurrier was.
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The conference looks more like that time period now than it has at any point since then. All those guys are gone and Saban is standing lonely at the top.
 
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powerTvol said:
Butch had too have his hand in everything . That is his downfall as a head coach. Butch seems to have an ego problem wants the program to evolve around him not around team .imo
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this is what I see as well. CBJ isn't good enough to do that
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Last year, Butch hire one of the most respected DC in College football. Injuries took most of his first team talent out for a majority of the season and some of our fans were/are calling for his hide. The same fans will complain about whomever is filling the DC and OC positions. I personally agree that the only way a team can win championships is to have a head coach, similar to Jones and Dabo. The difference has been the ability to recruit and develop skilled players with positive attitudes who can be taught the finer aspects of the game. The other very important coach is the S&C . Hopefully,that will be done in the next couple of weeks. Also, Dabo has been at Clemson longer than Jones has been at Tennessee. It took Dabo a few years to learn the ropes Jones is learning and will be fine.
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injuries is not the reason he lost to SC and vandy. he almost lost to appy...with a healthy team
 
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DaddyChad said:
Strength and conditioning.

We lost three defensive tackles, our two best linebackers, our best CB. Any team that loses that much talent especially in the middle of the defense is going to be vulnerable. I don't care how good a coach you are if I take all your defensive tackles and then take your shut down corner away you're going to suffer. Anyone can run up the middle and when you compensate by bringing help down in the box play action is going to kill you over the top. People can preach talent all they want but you can have five stars at every skill position and if you don't have talent in the middle you're going to suffer.
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Who's fault is that? Lyle.
 
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05_never_again said:
Once Richt, Meyer, Miles, et al entered the conference his recruiting started to slip. Look at the number of guys entering the NFL on those 2005 - 2008 teams versus the late 90s-early 2000s teams.

When the SEC was just a 2 man show (him and Spurrier) he was a great recruiter, but never as good as Spurrier was.
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Spurrier was a semi-lazy recruiter located in the state with best sec talent. Phil worked his tail off to import talent from all over the nation and did quite well at that. tennessee remains the toughest recruiting challenge of traditional sec powers and that is unlikely to ever change.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Once again, my point is addressing your claim that Jones will adjust his offense to fit his players. Was Worley a fit for that offense? Maybe ask Hurd about Butch's willingness to adjust the offense to fit the players?
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Maybe Worley wasn't that good? Regardless of adjustments? Fair question. :)
 
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butchna said:
Maybe Worley wasn't that good? Regardless of adjustments? Fair question. :)
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You're correct about Worley not being the best QB, but we've seen him try to fit a square peg in a round hole plenty of times.
 
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Burger said:
You're correct about Worley not being the best QB, but we've seen him try to fit a square peg in a round hole plenty of times.
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No dispute...happens with most coaches.
 
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butchna said:
If you think the "Lyle" thing earns you smarm points? Old hat old buddy. :)
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I can't call him Botch anymore sadly. So until he wins a east championship, I'll refer to him as Lyle. I will gladly eat crow if he makes the playoffs. The thing that we know is Lyle always loses a game or two that he shouldn't.
 
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jbr82 said:
that is his name though :crazy:
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Not what he goes by and not the intention of the posters using it...you know that. Calling him by the name he goes by won't save his job...just less silly.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
There are so many similarities between Butch and Dabo. I've been comparing the two for several years. Both have a similar philosophy, personality, style of communication, recruiting prowess, etc.

The main difference between the two: Dabo brought in top-notch coaches when he hired Chad Morris and Brent Venables. Before that point, Dabo had similar struggles as Butch. Venables wasn't hired till Dabo's 5th Season and the end of Clemson's 4th Season was similar in many ways to the end of our season this year. Clemson got blown out in an embarrassing loss in the Orange Bowl with a defense that couldn't stop anything. While we won our bowl game, no doubt we had a similar embarrassing loss against Vanderbilt.

We're so close though and I feel like too many NegaVols here don't realize that. We're just a few top-notch coaches away from being an SEC Championship contender right now. Really hoping we land Mark Helfrich on the offensive side. Changes on defense may be needed, as well, but Shoop has a spectacular track record, so I don't view him as the problem there. Hoping Butch can realize what changes need to be made, because we have the potential to be a perennial power again if he does. No reason we can't look more like Clemson.
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This!!
 
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Burger said:
Very true, which is why most coaches don't sniff the playoffs. Kelly is great at adapting to his personally.
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He had a 4 year run in college...I wouldn't go all absolute with that short sample.
 
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Swain is right on this one. The coordinators will determine jones's success. A game time mental giant he is not.
 
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butchna said:
Not what he goes by and not the intention of the posters using it...you know that. Calling him by the name he goes by won't save his job...just less silly.
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Reminds me of the barber shop scene in "Coming to America"
 
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