Swain not impressed with Wells hire.

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I heard positive comments from Eric Ainge this morning. Does that offset the negative Swain comments?
 
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volfan102455 said:
Let's be honest ... Swain (... and some of you on here ...) would find a reason to complain about a hire even if it was Gruden or Manning. There would be something wrong with the hire - you don't like Jones - we all get it.
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Difficult to say since Jones seems content to pick most of his offensive staff from Obscure Coaches Quarterly.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I hope you are right about the guy but I don't agree that coaching is coaching, regardless of the level. Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier agree, I'm sure. Room for error decreases vastly at every level. Personalities and egos also change drastically.
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Don Mahoney has apparently learned that coaching isn't coaching regardless of the level either.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Maybe he has selective comprehension.
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I find him to be fair. Clearly loves the program, is honest enough to discuss the good and the bad. Imho, he's willing to criticize what needs criticizing while praise what deserves praising.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, i don't think Swain's opinion on this is any more informed than, well, mine. he's come out and said more than once this week that he doesn't know him, he's just not sure he'll work out or not, given the lack of experience at the P5 level.

which is an opinion shared by many here.

me, i think the more i read about him, especially insight taken from those that have worked with him, have developed relationships with him, there's some real positives to build from.

but none of that means anything as to what he'll actually do. so we wait and see. i do think he'll make a difference in recruiting. for sure.

and for as much emphasis as many of us, self included, have placed on locking down the state of TN in recruiting, he's a giant step in the right direction there given his ties to the mid state.

the guy is from Nashville, played HS ball there, has coached in the area at the D1 level. the only thin he doesn't have is a brand name on his resume.
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No offense Jake, but given his ability to speak to coaches, players, media and others in and around the program....and his ability to attend any full practice he chooses to, he very much is more informed about all things Tennessee football than you, me and pretty much anybody here on this board.

As far as Wells goes, he's pointed out everything you just listed about him, especially his recruiting ties to the midstate. He's only said that Wells simply has never held a position like this before, was on the staff last year and pretty much nobody knew it, and that his lack of experience and by extension success as an SEC OL coach, raises questions as to how good a coach he is and how solid a hire this was. He's also said let's give the guy a chance, he could turn out to be very good.....and that's quite the opposite from many in here portraying Swain's opinion on Wells' hiring as being awful and unfair.
 
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KBVol said:
No offense Jake, but given his ability to speak to coaches, players, media and others in and around the program....and his ability to attend any full practice he chooses to, he very much is more informed about all things Tennessee football than you, me and pretty much anybody here on this board.

As far as Wells goes, he's pointed out everything you just listed about him, especially his recruiting ties to the midstate. He's only said that Wells simply has never held a position like this before, was on the staff last year and pretty much nobody knew it, and that his lack of experience and by extension success as an SEC OL coach, raises questions as to how good a coach he is and how solid a hire this was. He's also said let's give the guy a chance, he could turn out to be very good.....and that's quite the opposite from many in here portraying Swain's opinion on Wells' hiring as being awful and unfair.
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i do agree that the reaction to swain's comments have been, well, and overreaction.

but, as to "informed", specifically on this topic, he really doesn't know the guy any more than any of us. he's reading the same resume and same articles we are. he has no legit experience with the guy, as a coach or otherwise. that's all i'm getting at.

in general, yes, i do think Swain is more informed than most would like to admit, and i think for the most part, he does a decent job of keeping a lot of it to himself.

but, i don't think he's allowed access to as many things as you think he is either. he does, however, get a lot of good 2nd hand information because of people he knows....
 
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jakez4ut said:
i do agree that the reaction to swain's comments have been, well, and overreaction.

but, as to "informed", specifically on this topic, he really doesn't know the guy any more than any of us. he's reading the same resume and same articles we are. he has no legit experience with the guy, as a coach or otherwise. that's all i'm getting at.

in general, yes, i do think Swain is more informed than most would like to admit, and i think for the most part, he does a decent job of keeping a lot of it to himself.

but, i don't think he's allowed access to as many things as you think he is either. he does, however, get a lot of good 2nd hand information because of people he knows....
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He's been asked by Coach Z to speak to the WR room in recent years, he references conversations he has/has had with current players (e.g., TKJr and a handful of WRs), he's talked about discussions he's had directly with coaches on staff, as a former player he's allowed and occasionally attends practices (full practices, not just the one or two periods that the media has access to), he certainly has access to local media covering the team (for example, Wes Rucker has hosted his show before and he just hired Daniel Lewis as his radio partner). Perhaps there's more, I don't know, but I'm certain of that "access", which is something no other poster on this board has outside of maybe LWS. That's all I'm saying. It's just wrong for some posters to say "he doesn't know ish" or "he's stupid" or even "he doesn't know anymore than the rest of us".
 
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KBVol said:
He's been asked by Coach Z to speak to the WR room in recent years, he references conversations he has/has had with current players (e.g., TKJr and a handful of WRs), he's talked about discussions he's had directly with coaches on staff, as a former player he's allowed and occasionally attends practices (full practices, not just the one or two periods that the media has access to), he certainly has access to local media covering the team (for example, Wes Rucker has hosted his show before and he just hired Daniel Lewis as his radio partner). Perhaps there's more, I don't know, but I'm certain of that "access", which is something no other poster on this board has outside of maybe LWS. That's all I'm saying. It's just wrong for some posters to say "he doesn't know ish" or "he's stupid" or even "he doesn't know anymore than the rest of us".
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we agree on this. i like swain. but i take it for what it is.
 
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and all i said is "as much access as you think he is", not that he didn't have any.
 
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jakez4ut said:
we agree on this. i like swain. but i take it for what it is.
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Understood, fair enough. Just saying I think there's more value in what Swain says than some (not you) on here who trash the guy, a former player and real VFL who strapped on the orange and white for 4 years......and, imo, he's certainly due more respect that "he doesn't know ish", to quote another poster.
 
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KBVol said:
Understood, fair enough. Just saying I think there's more value in what Swain says than some (not you) on here who trash the guy, a former player and real VFL who strapped on the orange and white for 4 years......and, imo, he's certainly due more respect that "he doesn't know ish", to quote another poster.
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i listen to his show probably 3 times a week, and for the most part, it's just him and stokes going back and forth, much like we do here, except they don't really have a dissenting opinion to generate any real discussion.

it gives swain a mouthpiece to put his opinions out there, and stokes is there basically saying "yep, what he said".

so, i take it for what it is. i think most of the time, he is trying to be fair, and there's a lot of things he says that i've found i agree with, other times, not so much.

in the time that i've listened to the show, i don't know that i'd classify anything i've ever heard on his show i'd consider any more valuable than i read in these forums, or any other website, and virtually nothing all that newsworthy. and swain isn't always right in his assertions, at least not as much as he likes to portray sometimes.

i do appreciate that sometimes he'll explain his opinion a little bit, giving insight from his experience as a player, and hint at some "inside" information that he rarely elaborates on, until after it becomes reportable news.

and then you get the "well i tried to tell ya"...which i can do with out sometimes.

flip it over to WNML after that, and you basically then get the other side of the coin with Ainge and his sidekick basically doing the same thing....

i listen to them just to get different viewpoints, from a perspective other than just "a fan"...

neither of them unload on some of the callers like i think they should sometimes.:)
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
If the articles are accurate, most of Wells' role last season, at least the 2nd half of the season, was to work specifically with Drew Richmond, and I thought DR looked much better by the end of the season than he did at the beginning when he lost his starter position. JMO, but I think Wells will do fine.
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I agree.

muhconey has never been an sec coach.

DR look really good later on in the season..after getting over his mental image of getting his leg blind sided again.
 
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goooooovols said:
Whatever.....I'm sure in reality the football knowledge may be closer than you think. His constant negativity is tiring and purely for listeners...being controversial is what keeps him on the air. He has no idea if Wells is a better fit and just because someone is on the staff doesn't necessarily mean their techniques or opinions are being applied to the fullest, most appropriate degree. Our line needs to add strength and toughness imo, let's hope this happens, if not we are going to get pushed around again this year.
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Are you serious?? I think he is too pro UT a lot of the times. Sometimes I call in and call him out on it. You're right about the strength and toughness part though. I want them all to be maulers, just mean and nasty..
 
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