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Volz4lif3 said:
A sh!tty coach pattern?
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CBJ struggles to teach ALL facets of the pass game. He is a great recruiter. He teaches all facets of the run game very well. Defensively, I must admit, I don't know how involved he is. You go back and look at all the games he has coached here and you will see one very glaring issue. Execution of the pass game. There are 3 phases. Blocking, getting open, and the qb delivering the ball accurately where it's suppose to go. It never fails, when we need to throw the ball to be more balanced and take what the defense is giving us in the throw game, one of these 3 phases screws up and the result is at best an incompletion and loss of down, and at worse a turnover putting our defense in a terrible position.

Watch the ga game game. If qd and this pass game are executing and moving the ball helping our good run game out, we win.

Oh yeah, and our defense has got to continue to get some stops and to's. Obviously, we won't win if they are getting torched for 30 plus points
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Butch can win a lot of fans back with a victory over UGA in two weeks. I will always support the VOLS no matter what but when will Butch stop letting these very winnable games slip away? 2013 UGA GAME, 2014 UF, 2014 UGA, 2015 OU, 2015 UF, 2015 ARKY, 2015 BAMA, 2016 A&M, 2017 UF etc. All of these examples are an indictment on CBJ. It just seems like there too many instances where we play not to lose instead of going for the jugular.
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yeah, he can. but unfortunately, after that, there's still plenty of opportunities to lose it again.

this will be a week to week deal unfortunately.

as for the rest,i agree, though i don't know that i'd call yesterday an issue of "not going for the jugular" as much as i would an issue of "not understanding and using the flow of the game". FL's offense was doing nothing, and we could have run kelly 40 times, and played keep away and won by 14. inexplicably, in a 3 point game we played like we were down 10...and made the kind of mistakes a desperate team makes.
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
People may not like this post, but firing Butch Jones will set us back another 5+ years.

Support Butch he didn't lose the game, poor execution lost us that game. Should we have given Kelly the ball on the 1, yes, but we also should have not had penalties in the red zone. We shouldn't have shanked a punt to give them field possession. We shouldn't have let a WR run past us.

The program is in the best shape it has been in since 2006. Stay the course and support Butch.
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Absolutely not true. We have the players in place we just need a competent coach. Setting us back 5 years is absolutely incorrect.
 
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#107
Yup. I'll add that I'd like to see the same guy brought in as interim & then get Venables at end of season - & he can bring Dan Brooks with him.
'Boro-vol said:
I wouldn't argue with that.

I think back to '92. The situation was obviously a little different, but a mid season coaching change, on a stocked team, didn't work out too badly for us.
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PEPPERJAX said:
Butch can win a lot of fans back with a victory over UGA in two weeks. I will always support the VOLS no matter what but when will Butch stop letting these very winnable games slip away? 2013 UGA GAME, 2014 UF, 2014 UGA, 2015 OU, 2015 UF, 2015 ARKY, 2015 BAMA, 2016 A&M, 2017 UF etc. All of these examples are an indictment on CBJ. It just seems like there too many instances where we play not to lose instead of going for the jugular.
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That's why IMO he needs to win ALL of the games against lesser teams plus at least one of 3 vs Bama, LSU, or UGA.

To me, UGA and LSU look VERY winnable. I watched UGA vs ND.

ND simply isn't a good football team. BC's O moved the ball on them as effectively if not more so than UGA.

LSU's loss to MSU was no fluke. MSU dominated them in every sense. Coach O for all his inspirational enthusiasm... isn't a very good coach. They'll probably play that way all year. That's the good news... the bad news is that they're UF's annual crossover game.


So... I think it comes down to this "final exam" for Jones. Is he a good enough coach to correct the UF mistakes and finally OVERACHIEVE... to outperform expectations?

The two best arguments against him are the one you present and the fact that he's 1-3 in games vs UF when HE has the better team.... well being ofer against Muschamp is bad too.
 
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I am staying on the Butch Jones support train (it is not easy) just because I don't think anything is going to happen. He has helped rebuild the program. But man, we would not be having this talk at all if he had beaten UF in the Checker Neyland game when Treon Harris beat us. Or if we beat OU when we should have. Beat Florida on the 4th and 14 play. Beat USCjr or Vandy last season. Or beat UF this year. If Butch had won half of those, or heck just beat Florida those 3 times, this conversation isn't happening.

I can see why some want him gone. I can see why some want him to stay. Some very questionable calls were made, but IF we would have won that game, coaching would have had a direct impact on it. The Justin Martin play was pure hustle, but we saw it last year out of UT vs A&M. That is because it is taught. Being down and not quitting shows that you support your coach and are willing to battle back, no matter how many times "questionable decisions" are made.

Is Butch capable of winning a NC or an SEC Championship? I don't know...maybe not. But people have to forget that there is only one Bama and that UT dominated the 90s (albeit with supreme talent) because Bama wasn't great, LSU wasn't great, USC/Ole Miss/UK/Vandy, etc. were not competitive teams. I am not saying we would not have won at that clip because of our talent and depth but the SEC now is different than the SEC in the 90s.

Anyways, I got off task a little (mind is still a little hazy from Saturday). I apologize, but I don't think firing Butch is the answer currently. Mullen will take UF if McElwain is fired. Brohm is not the answer. And I think Chip Kelly goes somewhere else. Firing Butch just would cause for us to reach for another hire at this point unless Currie has someone he knows 100% he can get.
 
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I agree, now is not the time to fire the Head Coach. The coaching staff DID lose this game.

What we need is a plan to hire the future staff as Quality Control advisors or some other title, get in the 2018 recruiting class, then make the change.

This way, we don't disrupt the 2018 recruiting cycle, get the new staff involved early and starting on the 2019 recruiting cycle, plus they get to evaluate the team over a period of months.

Our mistake in the past has been the abrupt, unscheduled changes, while not having a plan for the way forward. Now is the time to play the path forward.
 
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volsportsfan said:
The majority of this board agreed we would lose between 3 and 5 games this year. We have lost 1 game, not 5. Let's see what happens with GA game and with the rest of the season. After all, most expected some losses this year. A loss to Florida and everybody has went nuts.
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I guess being the laughing stock of top tier programs is acceptable to you? Not that I invest much what others think but when it's as widespread as it is...

Our fan base has inklings of battered spouse syndrome
 
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VFLintheBurg said:
I am staying on the Butch Jones support train (it is not easy) just because I don't think anything is going to happen. He has helped rebuild the program. But man, we would not be having this talk at all if he had beaten UF in the Checker Neyland game when Treon Harris beat us. Or if we beat OU when we should have. Beat Florida on the 4th and 14 play. Beat USCjr or Vandy last season. Or beat UF this year. If Butch had won half of those, or heck just beat Florida those 3 times, this conversation isn't happening.

I can see why some want him gone. I can see why some want him to stay. Some very questionable calls were made, but IF we would have won that game, coaching would have had a direct impact on it. The Justin Martin play was pure hustle, but we saw it last year out of UT vs A&M. That is because it is taught. Being down and not quitting shows that you support your coach and are willing to battle back, no matter how many times "questionable decisions" are made.

Is Butch capable of winning a NC or an SEC Championship? I don't know...maybe not. But people have to forget that there is only one Bama and that UT dominated the 90s (albeit with supreme talent) because Bama wasn't great, LSU wasn't great, USC/Ole Miss/UK/Vandy, etc. were not competitive teams. I am not saying we would not have won at that clip because of our talent and depth but the SEC now is different than the SEC in the 90s.

Anyways, I got off task a little (mind is still a little hazy from Saturday). I apologize, but I don't think firing Butch is the answer currently. Mullen will take UF if McElwain is fired. Brohm is not the answer. And I think Chip Kelly goes somewhere else. Firing Butch just would cause for us to reach for another hire at this point unless Currie has someone he knows 100% he can get.
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i'll say this...there's a point where you can criticize and complain and stuff, and the reality is it doesn't do any good, none of us have any control.

so you do have to make a choice as the season goes on....regardless of what you think should happen to CBJ...do you want this team to fix the issue and go out and win the games left on the schedule? if so, then you root for CBJ and co to start getting the right answers.

or you're only goal is to see CBJ gone, you've seen enough, and if we lose enough, it's an means to an end.

i don't think CBJ can get it done. i've seen enough.

but for the remainder of the season...i want him and this team to win....and that means i'm rooting for them to get more right answers, than wrong.

if he doesn't, then i think we all know how this ends anyway, so i don't see the point in wanting to lose to get to the point where we fire him.
 
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volsportsfan said:
The majority of this board agreed we would lose between 3 and 5 games this year. We have lost 1 game, not 5. Let's see what happens with GA game and with the rest of the season. After all, most expected some losses this year. A loss to Florida and everybody has went nuts.
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It's more than just one loss.... it's the fact he's in year 5 with multiple top tier recruiting classes and he's making the same mistakes he made in 2014.
 
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Butch lost me in 15 after the Oklahoma and Florida flops. Last year SCe and Vandy further proved the point. Florida was the icing on the cake. He cannot overcome this. Rumors swirling that he has lost the players. Some talking about transferring. Currie will have to fire him after LSU. By that time, we will be lucky to .500.
 
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#116
If he's willing to hand the keys of our offense over to someone who can call plays and manage the clock, and leave the decision to call time outs to his coordinators, he'll have my support. Until then, no.
 
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MaTaLa said:
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I guess being the laughing stock of top tier programs is acceptable to you? Not that I invest much what others think but when it's as widespread as it is...

Our fan base has inklings of battered spouse syndrome
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All I can tell you is that I'm very close to joining the " time is up " crowd. CBJ is in the put up or shut up years of his coaching career.

Give it the season, let's see what happens. We will lose to Bama, no doubt. We will most likely lose another to somebody, that's 3 losses. I think only a 3 loss regular season and CBJ has done a fine job. If he loses 4, he most likely should be retained to see what he can do next year. He loses 5? All bets are off. He could be a goner. This is UT after all.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
It's more than just one loss.... it's the fact he's in year 5 with multiple top tier recruiting classes and he's making the same mistakes he made in 2014.
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And.... Most experts and most on this board saw 3 to 4 losses this year, knowing we have talent. So, most understood that CBJ is mistake prone or they wouldn't have predicted 3 to 4 losses. Most experts and fans were smart enough to understand that CBJ is not Nick saban.

Take a step back, look at what most predicted, and see if he can beat that prediction, equal it, or do worse. If he does worse, his job is on the line. He has 1 loss this year. Wait and see if 1 turns into 4 or 5
 
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#119
People jumping to his defense are hilarious. They have no idea how bad this Florida team was. Florida is awful.
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
People may not like this post, but firing Butch Jones will set us back another 5+ years.

Support Butch he didn't lose the game, poor execution lost us that game. Should we have given Kelly the ball on the 1, yes, but we also should have not had penalties in the red zone. We shouldn't have shanked a punt to give them field possession. We shouldn't have let a WR run past us.

The program is in the best shape it has been in since 2006. Stay the course and support Butch.
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"field possession"

Me likey. :good!:
 
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CBJ is a rich man making alot of $. He will be able to get another job...lower tier...and he and his family will still live in luxury.
 
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