Sunseri vs Wilcox

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tm3 said:
this is why gruden is great, isn't it, along with the mean faces he makes? certainly not because of his .500 NFL record
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Yeah, I mean, it's not like that fool won a Super Bowl or anything... :blink:

Wilcox and his team just upset a Top 10 team...and I seriously doubt UW has much more talent on EITHER side of the ball than we do.

And it isn't just the poor tackling, it's the constantly being out of position, the poor angles the secondary players take...simple mistakes that should be addressed very early yet they seem to continue to make them. There's also some mind-numbing D calls as well, such as the 3rd and Long against UGA when we he them backed up and we immediately showed blitz and brought the house...if you watch football and didn't see a swing/screen to the RB coming on that play, then I don't know what to tell you...also, there were some 3rd and Chavis's where the corners, LBs just let the guys run right to the sticks and sit down and turn and catch the ball...

You can argue that those are all mental errors by the players, but I will tell you that strong coaches seem to have fewer "mental errors" taking place on the field...
 
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Wilcox used 13 players on defense in the loss to LSU. On a crucial 2 point conversion against UGA, Sal went with 9 players and forced a timeout by Dooley. That pretty much sums up being a Vol fan these days. Nothing can go right regardless of staff.
 
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Apparently in the truefan worldview, you can't evaluate anyone, ever so long as they wear orange and then the second they're gone they're worse than pond scum. Some of the coaches who bailed after last season WERE very good coaches and some sucked. Some of the guys we have now are ugrades and some are not. It's not sunshine and rainbows 100% of the time.
 
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tm3 said:
this is why gruden is great, isn't it, along with the mean faces he makes? certainly not because of his .500 NFL record
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The thing that would make Gruden great, even though I am 99.9% sure he will never coach here, is that he would bring a a few other NFL guys in with him and they would have immediate access to the livingrooms of all the top prospects who have NFL stars in thier eyes. With those kind of recruits, you can just roll the ball out on the field and be a top 10 team (see LSU).
 
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GoVols567 said:
Wilcox used 13 players on defense in the loss to LSU. On a crucial 2 point conversion against UGA, Sal went with 9 players and forced a timeout by Dooley. That pretty much sums up being a Vol fan these days. Nothing can go right regardless of staff.
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To better reflect history, Wilcox didn't take the hit for that blunder, the old defensive line coach, Chuck Smith admitted that it was his responsibility, and at the end of the season he was shown the door for costing the Vols a victory which is what should happen to Sunseri for not being prepared for the different formations that the Gators used to confuse the Vol defense.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The thing that would make Gruden great, even though I am 99.9% sure he will never coach here, is that he would bring a a few other NFL guys in with him and they would have immediate access to the livingrooms of all the top prospects who have NFL stars in thier eyes. With those kind of recruits, you can just roll the ball out on the field and be a top 10 team (see LSU).
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i agree that would be a good scenario but imo very unlikely to happen.

the .500 record would still concern me, despite the super bowl.
 
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gunner said:
Let me start by saying I am not a negaVol or a Dooley supporter. I am a Vol and have been since I first caught the bug in 1977 when I was seven years old. I want the Vols to succeed and win each Saturday.

Five games into this season with eight returning starters on defense, and a two new junior college starters. I think it is safe to say that the UT defense has been a complete failure to this point. This has the potential to be the worse defense ever at Tennessee.

I recall how much better the Vols were last year at this point under Wilcox. The Vols weren't dominating on defense last season but they were very respectable. If Wilcox is still at UT would the defense be any better this season? I think so. The scheme last season seemed to be very solid with the Vols giving up a lot less big plays.

This season under Sunseri, the Vols seem to always be out of position, and missing tackles with a few exceptions. Where would the Vols be on defense if Wilcox has stayed at UT?

44 points is enough to win a lot of games in the SEC. No matter who the opponent there is no excuse for the way the Vols have played on defense so far under Sunseri.

If Wilcox had stayed the Vols would have most likely beaten UGA Saturday, and maybe even UF a few weeks ago. Sunseri has been a huge disappointment, and the Vols have taken a few steps in the wrong direction under his leadership on defense.

If Dooley is to survive this season, and return for the next, then Sunseri must improve the defense dramatically or be shown the door.

Just my two cents.

Gunner
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Well gunner if you are not a nega vol keep. Your judge mental lack of football knowledge to yourself..... Look at the rosters and go figure it out,.......:pepper:
 
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spudvol said:
I covered that UGA myth here.

UGA 2009 D (Pre-Grantham)
Rush Defense 36th 126y/g
Pass Defense 52nd 213y/g
Total Defense 38th 339 y/g
Scoring Defense 64th 26 p/g

UGA 2010 D (Grantham 1st year)
Rush Defense 56th 147y/g
Pass Defense 17th 181y/g
Total Defense 23rd 328y/g
Scoring Defense 36th 22 p/g
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Horrible illustration. In 6 games in 2010, UGA gave up 29+ points while losing 7 games that year. To even utter the garbage that UGA's defense didn't struggle is complete fabrication.
 
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mgu7 said:
Sal needs to start doing this


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They tried that @ PSU and it did not work very well!
 
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mre1237 said:
Well gunner if you are not a nega vol keep. Your judge mental lack of football knowledge to yourself..... Look at the rosters and go figure it out,.......:pepper:
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I am trying to ascertain what you are trying to express, but your response is so poorly written that I am not sure that you even know. Maybe you should give proof reading a try before you submit your response.

Just my two cents,

Gunner
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Apparently in the truefan worldview, you can't evaluate anyone, ever so long as they wear orange and then the second they're gone they're worse than pond scum. Some of the coaches who bailed after last season WERE very good coaches and some sucked. Some of the guys we have now are ugrades and some are not. It's not sunshine and rainbows 100% of the time.
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What about unicorns
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I don't care if Wilcox left, was fired or had Scotty beam him to Washington, Sal is an upgrade imo.
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I think you might be right, but I think Wilcox knew how to hide, and protect his weaknesses. Sal has more to work with up front, but the dam secondary???
 
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1st Yr under Wilcox through 5 games
09/04/10 Tenn.-Martin GrassW 50-0 56 86 55 142 2.58
09/11/10 3 Oregon Grass L 13-48 245 202 76 447 5.88
09/18/10 Florida Grass L 17-31 150 167 72 317 4.40
09/25/10 UAB Grass W 32-29 115 429 92 544 5.91
10/02/10 @ 8 LSU Grass L 14-16 219 215 69 434 6.29
Total:1884

1st Yr under Sunseri through 5 games
8/31/12 + North Carolina St. Turf W 35-21 119 288 80 407 5.09
09/08/12 Georgia St. Grass W 51-13 87 176 82 263 3.21
09/15/12 10 Florida Grass L 20-37 336 219 63 555 8.81
09/22/12 Akron Grass W 47-26 115 229 75 344 4.59
09/29/12 @ 5 Georgia Grass L 44-51 282 278 64 560 8.75
Total:2129
 
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Wilcox is a good DC and his defense had less experience than this group does. The defense kept the Vols in several games. I don't believe you would have seen the Ga. backs going 70 yards untouched.
 
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Sal is known for his ability to inspire the players to play hard, not so much for his ability to teach a defense. This Tennessee Defense could be the worst in history if they keep giving up yards and tds at this pace.

The only defense that I can recall that got off to this poor of a start was the 1988 team that started 0 and 6.

Sunseri has a lot of work to do to get the Vols to where they were last season under Wilcox, and that is merely RESPECTABLE.

Schematically, Wilcox is considered one of the brightest young defensive minds in college football. It didn't really matter who the Vols hired, it would be difficult to upgrade from Wilcox.

All that being said. I like Sunseri and his style of play, BUT, I'm just not sure that he can relay his knowledge to the players effectively. I hope he can turn things around quickly, starting with State.

Go Vols!!!
 
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almirUT said:
1st Yr under Wilcox through 5 games
09/04/10 Tenn.-Martin GrassW 50-0 56 86 55 142 2.58
09/11/10 3 Oregon Grass L 13-48 245 202 76 447 5.88
09/18/10 Florida Grass L 17-31 150 167 72 317 4.40
09/25/10 UAB Grass W 32-29 115 429 92 544 5.91
10/02/10 @ 8 LSU Grass L 14-16 219 215 69 434 6.29
Total:1884

1st Yr under Sunseri through 5 games
8/31/12 + North Carolina St. Turf W 35-21 119 288 80 407 5.09
09/08/12 Georgia St. Grass W 51-13 87 176 82 263 3.21
09/15/12 10 Florida Grass L 20-37 336 219 63 555 8.81
09/22/12 Akron Grass W 47-26 115 229 75 344 4.59
09/29/12 @ 5 Georgia Grass L 44-51 282 278 64 560 8.75
Total:2129
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These are nice numbers, but why don't you compare the talent and depth of the two defenses. Dooley will readily admit that this is the most talented and deepest team he has had at Tennessee, on both sides of the ball.

The Vols are bigger, faster and deeper in the front seven than just two seasons ago. Sunseri has a lot more to work with than Wilcox ever had at UT.
 
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dgcarter43 said:
Wilcox is a good DC and his defense had less experience than this group does. The defense kept the Vols in several games. I don't believe you would have seen the Ga. backs going 70 yards untouched.
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Agreed. That is my point exactly. Sunseri needs to get it together and fast or be shown the door.
 
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