Sunseri vs Wilcox

[gunner]

About 80% of volnation was calling for Wilcox head while he was here.

Good job guys.

:clap:

I wasn't one of them, I thought that the defense made tremendous progress under Wilcox from the beginning of 2010 until his departure. Last season the defense wasn't the problem it was the offense, which has been fixed with the hiring of a better offensive line, and a running back coach.

The departure of Wilcox and his staff has caused a new set of problems with the hiring of Sunseri and his staff. They just seem to be clueless.

 

[tm3]

Wilcox might have left regardless, depending on his reasoning and situation, but ...

UT could have given him a 50% pay raise to $900k, which would have been just $50k more than we are paying Sansucki. that might have kept him on the hill.

and i am confident that with Wilcox, this team would be at least 6-2 maybe 7-1. with no talk of what CDD's buyout is or what it would cost for a new coach. and perhaps with that star LB from texas in our stable.

pretty good return on a relatively small investment, imo.

 

[gunner]

Wilcox might have left regardless, depending on his reasoning and situation, but ...

UT could have given him a 50% pay raise to $900k, which would have been just $50k more than we are paying Sansucki. that might have kept him on the hill.

and i am confident that with Wilcox, this team would be at least 6-2 maybe 7-1. with no talk of what CDD's buyout is or what it would cost for a new coach. and perhaps with that star LB from texas in our stable.

pretty good return on a relatively small investment, imo.

Agreed, Vols are much better this season with Wilcox running the defense,

 

[LWSVOL]

Let me start by saying I am not a negaVol or a Dooley supporter. I am a Vol and have been since I first caught the bug in 1977 when I was seven years old. I want the Vols to succeed and win each Saturday.

Five games into this season with eight returning starters on defense, and a two new junior college starters. I think it is safe to say that the UT defense has been a complete failure to this point. This has the potential to be the worse defense ever at Tennessee.

I recall how much better the Vols were last year at this point under Wilcox. The Vols weren't dominating on defense last season but they were very respectable. If Wilcox is still at UT would the defense be any better this season? I think so. The scheme last season seemed to be very solid with the Vols giving up a lot less big plays.

This season under Sunseri, the Vols seem to always be out of position, and missing tackles with a few exceptions. Where would the Vols be on defense if Wilcox has stayed at UT?

44 points is enough to win a lot of games in the SEC. No matter who the opponent there is no excuse for the way the Vols have played on defense so far under Sunseri.

If Wilcox had stayed the Vols would have most likely beaten UGA Saturday, and maybe even UF a few weeks ago. Sunseri has been a huge disappointment, and the Vols have taken a few steps in the wrong direction under his leadership on defense.

If Dooley is to survive this season, and return for the next, then Sunseri must improve the defense dramatically or be shown the door.

Just my two cents.

Gunner

what I think (and hope) that this proves to Tennessee fans is how no one knows what they are getting when getting new coaches or signed players.

I recall how ever since the last group of coaches left that UT fans were spending everyday talking how staff had improved. thousands talked about how Sunseri was a huge improvement over Wilcox.

Nothing is a sure thing including the next head coach being better than Dooley, no matter who gets hired

 

[kevol80]

Nothing is a sure thing including the next head coach being better than Dooley, no matter who gets hired

Have you heard anything new about when that change may happen (if it is going to)?

 

[slickstirs]

Or maybe Wilcox, knew Dooley was in over his head, in the SEC, and he saw this as a his chance to get closer to home before Dooley and his entire staff were let go after another poor season.

Wilcox jumped ship simply because everybody on these boards was calling for his head...just like Dooley,s....you see what we ended up with in sunseri....looks like people would quit bashing this team on these boards and support them......if nothing more to get in some elite recruits in order to compete with fl,ga,sc,and ala....until that happens these recruits will shy away...

 

[gunner]

Wilcox jumped ship simply because everybody on these boards was calling for his head...just like Dooley,s....you see what we ended up with in sunseri....looks like people would quit bashing this team on these boards and support them......if nothing more to get in some elite recruits in order to compete with fl,ga,sc,and ala....until that happens these recruits will shy away...

Pure speculation and your opinion. The only fact that we have is that Wilcox left the Vols to go to Washington.

 

[k-town_king]

Wilcox jumped ship simply because everybody on these boards was calling for his head...just like Dooley,s....you see what we ended up with in sunseri....looks like people would quit bashing this team on these boards and support them......if nothing more to get in some elite recruits in order to compete with fl,ga,sc,and ala....until that happens these recruits will shy away...

We aren't getting elite recruits because DD is not a good coach or recruiter.

 

[gunner]

We aren't getting elite recruits because DD is not a good coach or recruiter.

I would agree with that except for a few exceptions; such as, Patterson, Rogers, Hunter, and Maggit. But, those aren't near enough. They have especially missed out at the tailback position.

I am most perplexed about why Patterson isn't given the ball at least twenty times per game. He's our horse and they need to ride him.

 

[gunner]

Typical. I say you're devoid of logic because you say the transition to a different defense doesn't matter, so, therefore, I think Sunseri is the savior of Tennessee football.

Reading comprehension: it's a valuable asset when reading. Please learn to use it.

JoseDaMofo:

Check out the link below regarding the article written by Adams of the KNS. He agrees with most when comparing Sunseri to Wilcox.

"In fact, Sunseri has been a horrible fit.

Last season, Wilcox probably got less credit than he deserved for masking UT's defensive shortcomings. It's as though the current system was designed to highlight the defense's inadequacies. How else can you characterize what's going on with a defense that has given up 42 points per game in SEC play?"

John Adams: 3-5 start, 3-4 scheme two more things UT can't defend » GoVolsXtra

 

[tm3]

what I think (and hope) that this proves to Tennessee fans is how no one knows what they are getting when getting new coaches or signed players.

I recall how ever since the last group of coaches left that UT fans were spending everyday talking how staff had improved. thousands talked about how Sunseri was a huge improvement over Wilcox.

Nothing is a sure thing including the next head coach being better than Dooley, no matter who gets hired

very well said, but i'm afraid this point will be lost on the masses.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

Again, buddy you are the one who has difficulty with reading comprehension, as anyone with a fifth grade education can easily understand that you have missed my entire point over, and over, and over again.

But hey you are the self proclaimed expert. So why don't you stop the attacks on me, and start trying to defend your position on Sunseri? Oh, I know because each time the Vols take the field against a SEC team they give up 35 five points, and over 500 hundred yards on defense. There is more than just a transition going on, it's plain and simple to most that have a basic understanding of the game from playing it at a high school level. Sunseri can't teach his schemes to the Vols. This is why he has never been a DC at a high level before, he is in over his head. But, you keep insisting that the transition is the problem. Well, obviously, your opinion is in the minority of most who have a basic understanding of how to play football.

So why don't you stop the attacks on me, and go make a donation to the UTAD to buyout Dooley and Sunseri and then the Vols can get back to their wining ways.

At least you're consistent with the dumb posts.

Your initial claims were that the transition had nothing to do with the struggles and that Sunseri is simply a bad coach.

My claim is that the transition is a huge part of the problem without any reference to Sunseri's coaching ability positively or negatively. So, no, I will not cease exploiting your lack of reading comprehension to prove my point.

 

[gunner]

At least you're consistent with the dumb posts.

Your initial claims were that the transition had nothing to do with the struggles and that Sunseri is simply a bad coach.

My claim is that the transition is a huge part of the problem without any reference to Sunseri's coaching ability positively or negatively. So, no, I will not cease exploiting your lack of reading comprehension to prove my point.

I have been more than respectful with your insults, obviously you lack the intelligence to consider an opinion that differs from your own. If you CAN READ, go back and read my initial post, I have been consistent from the beginning regarding Sunseri and Wilcox my argument is the Vols would be better off with Wilcox than Sunseri, and that Sunseri lacks the knowledge, skills and abilities to be a DC at this level while stating that the transition is just an excuse for the poor performance by the Vols on the field. It is a simple concept to grasp, it's too bad that your pea brain won't let you get it. My fifth grader can get it why can't you?

Gunner

 

[VOLorNuttin]

what I think (and hope) that this proves to Tennessee fans is how no one knows what they are getting when getting new coaches or signed players.

I recall how ever since the last group of coaches left that UT fans were spending everyday talking how staff had improved. thousands talked about how Sunseri was a huge improvement over Wilcox.

Nothing is a sure thing including the next head coach being better than Dooley, no matter who gets hired

I never sipped the Saban sauce. Didn't believe that Dooley being a position coach under Saban would help him one bit, as a HC, nor would us promoting a CAREER position coach to DC (again, just because he worked for Saban) be a great move. I was actually advocating that we promote Thompson, if we couldn't get Shannon. Would've been able to keep a good deal of defensive scheme continuity, and I think Monte took Thompson under his wing, when Lane Kiffin was here.

If anything, it just re-enforces the idea, that working for Saban does not make one a stellar candidate to be suddenly promoted elsewhere.

 

[gunner]

I never sipped the Saban sauce. Didn't believe that Dooley being a position coach under Saban would help him one bit, as a HC, nor would us promoting a CAREER position coach to DC (again, just because he worked for Saban) be a great move. I was actually advocating that we promote Thompson, if we couldn't get Shannon. Would've been able to keep a good deal of defensive scheme continuity, and I think Monte took Thompson under his wing, when Lane Kiffin was here.

If anything, it just re-enforces the idea, that working for Saban does not make one a stellar candidate to be suddenly promoted elsewhere.

I agree, Thompson would have been a much better DC than Sunseri, but that's just an opinion, because we will never know. I still can't believe how much the Vols are paying Sunseri, Dooley really screwed the pooch with hiring him.

 

[DaddyChad]

I might be crazy but I think if Wilcox was still here this team only has one or two losses. Sunseri has likely cost Dooley his job.

 

[Orange81]

Wilcox is probably btetter but once the players learn sal's system i don't think it will be too bad.

 

[memphisorange12]

I feel like this arguement of wilcox vs sunseri is irrelevant. we didnt fire wilcox, he left us because he knew how bad things are, i mean he went to Washington!, who does that.

Sunseri is the charlie white of defense.:hi:

 

[gunner]

I might be crazy but I think if Wilcox was still here this team only has one or two losses. Sunseri has likely cost Dooley his job.

That seems to be the majority opinion on this topic, but there are some who refuse to admit the obvious.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

I have been more than respectful with your insults, obviously you lack the intelligence to consider an opinion that differs from your own. If you CAN READ, go back and read my initial post, I have been consistent from the beginning regarding Sunseri and Wilcox my argument is the Vols would be better off with Wilcox than Sunseri, and that Sunseri lacks the knowledge, skills and abilities to be a DC at this level while stating that the transition is just an excuse for the poor performance by the Vols on the field. It is a simple concept to grasp, it's too bad that your pea brain won't let you get it. My fifth grader can get it why can't you?

Gunner

You've had your fair share of insults, kid. Quit whining like your kool-aid-induced fifth grader when I return the venom.

And that's my point. You think transition is merely an excuse. You're completely biased against the man because he hasn't performed well and are not open to reasons for performance. You ignore comments like, "It may or may not be Sunseri's coaching ability, but to act like the transition has no bearing on the poor performance is stupid."

Now, please, again, prove to me how ignorant you have, are and will continue to be.

 

[DaddyChad]

That seems to be the majority opinion on this topic, but there are some who refuse to admit the obvious.

Whether they admit it or not this a historically bad defense for a tennessee team.

 

[gunner]

You've had your fair share of insults, kid. Quit whining like your kool-aid-induced fifth grader when I return the venom.

And that's my point. You think transition is merely an excuse. You're completely biased against the man because he hasn't performed well and are not open to reasons for performance. You ignore comments like, "It may or may not be Sunseri's coaching ability, but to act like the transition has no bearing on the poor performance is stupid."

Now, please, again, prove to me how ignorant you have, are and will continue to be.

As far as the insults, you started making them because you lack the mental ability to make your argument without attacking me personally. I have just defeated your crybaby excuse time after time, but you keep asserting that you are right when you offer no evidence or proof of such, just insults and baseless excuses for your unwavering support of Sunseri. You must be a Bama fan posing as a Vol or you are Sunseri himself, because that is the only logical response as to why or how you could support such a clueless coach.

For instance, last week the Vols had USC at 3rd and goal at the 26. What does Sunseri call? Did you notice? I did, it was a 4 man front with a dime package, and a single high safety with man under coverage, meaning the safety is responsible for the entire field, and not letting anyone behind him.

As we all know, Moore did let the USC WR by him and he the scored a td on they play. This was truly unbelievable call by Sunseri, if they goal was the keep USC from scoring the TD, he simply called the wrong defense, cover two or three would have been much more appropriate to keep USC from crossing the goal line, as the additional safetys on the play would have been in better position to help keep the USC WR infront of them, and not crossing the goal line.

This play has nothing to do with your excuse of a transition or a busted coverage. This is just a glaring example of Sunseri lacking the ability to call the best defense for the situation. Sunseri is clueless as a coach, and he has cost the Vols a chance at a good season.

There are at least four or five players on defense that have the potential to play at the next level, and a few more that will get a look. But, Sunseri has coached this team and defense into the ground. His defense is the worst ever at UT, and not because it is devoid of all talent or because of the transition.

If Majors were the coach, he would have fired Sunseri by now and taken over the defense himself, if Dooley had the balls he would do just that to save his job.

Gunner

 

[DaddyChad]

I don't know that Dooley can fire Sunseri because he advocated for getting him and the expensive price tag that came with him.

 

[TheBigOrangeT]

Jw easily

 

[volswillrise12]

Let me start by saying I am not a negaVol or a Dooley supporter. I am a Vol and have been since I first caught the bug in 1977 when I was seven years old. I want the Vols to succeed and win each Saturday.

Five games into this season with eight returning starters on defense, and a two new junior college starters. I think it is safe to say that the UT defense has been a complete failure to this point. This has the potential to be the worse defense ever at Tennessee.

I recall how much better the Vols were last year at this point under Wilcox. The Vols weren't dominating on defense last season but they were very respectable. If Wilcox is still at UT would the defense be any better this season? I think so. The scheme last season seemed to be very solid with the Vols giving up a lot less big plays.

This season under Sunseri, the Vols seem to always be out of position, and missing tackles with a few exceptions. Where would the Vols be on defense if Wilcox has stayed at UT?

44 points is enough to win a lot of games in the SEC. No matter who the opponent there is no excuse for the way the Vols have played on defense so far under Sunseri.

If Wilcox had stayed the Vols would have most likely beaten UGA Saturday, and maybe even UF a few weeks ago. Sunseri has been a huge disappointment, and the Vols have taken a few steps in the wrong direction under his leadership on defense.

If Dooley is to survive this season, and return for the next, then Sunseri must improve the defense dramatically or be shown the door.

Just my two cents.

Gunner

I agree, and I think the main problem is that it's nice to talk about a scheme that focuses on applying pressure and blitzing but harder to implement with the personnel that we have. I think the reason why we are so bad is that we don't have enough speed, talent, or depth STILL--and it's not helpful that we decided to change to a 3-4 and completely reinvent the wheel. There is talent--it's there but it's sparse and too thin in some critical areas. There is a reason why Wilcox didn't blitz at all and was about as vanilla as you can get---because he knew doing that would risk giving up big plays and TD's and that's exactly what we are doing now. No continuity is just killing us.