Stick With Pruitt

So you just disregard that Pruitt only had 10 years assistant experience and 3 years head coaching experience ( according to your timeline ) to all the other guys that have much more assistant experience and many many more years of head coach experience?

Don't know what to say to you, but more examples will be given

Doesn't matter, Pruitt is a good head ball coach or he isn't and we will know that within the next 2-3 years if not sooner.
 
Bill belichick, the best to ever do it. 19 years as an assistant and 6 years as a head coach before in his 7th year as head coach he won the AFC title.
 
Look at Urban, look at belichick, look at these guys. It takes longer than 10 years assistant ( what Pruitt has ) experience and 3 to 4 years head coach experience to actually win anything that proves one is a really good coach.

I'll provide a few more examples then I'm out. Don't know what else to do.
 
The 3-5 yr thing hasn't worked...maybe it's time to try something else.
Maybe these players are not responding because they are soft and don't like the fact it's not a country club atmosphere anymore.

Question: Would you have been okay with giving Dooley an additional 5 years? Or Butch an additional 3?
 
Question: Would you have been okay with giving Dooley an additional 5 years? Or Butch an additional 3?
never said that.
but......if something doesn't work you change it. Now might be the time to change it. No high profile coach is foaming at the mouth to coach in Knoxville.
 
Question: Would you have been okay with giving Dooley an additional 5 years? Or Butch an additional 3?

Let me go back and look at their previous amount of experience. Butch I already know because I researched it last year and the evidence suggested that last year was put up time for Butch. He fell right in that time frame where most coaches start winning games that prove they are really good coaches. Obviously, we know what happened with Butch in year 5. He deserved to be fired based on how much assistant experience and head coach experience he had under his belt
 
I get the frustrations. But dang, give Pruitt some time. The amount if changes staff/ad is massive over the off season. The talent we currently have is sub-par. We all new this was coming, every last one of us. Just relax. Yes, I'm tired of rebuilding just like everyone else. There is zero chance, even Nick Saban, could have polished these players to win.
 
Butch had 16 years assistant experience and 6 years head coaching experience under his belt when we hired him. Based on the evidence of previous good coaches Butch should of won something of significance between year 2 and 5 here at UT. He never did. Never even got us to the sec title game
 
Butch had 16 years assistant experience and 6 years head coaching experience under his belt when we hired him. Based on the evidence of previous good coaches Butch should of won something of significance between year 2 and 5 here at UT. He never did. Never even got us to the sec title game

So that blows all of your other research out the window.
 
Dooley had 10 years assistant experience and 3 years head coaching experience when. We hired him. We gave him 3 years to prove he had what it took.

With Dooley we probably should have given him 1 more year. I need to go back and look at who Dooley beat while he was here. Did the man ever beat anyone in the sec? If all he won was against smaller conference schools, I'm not sure he even deserved another year.
 
No, it confirms it. Pruitt has nowhere near the assistant and head coaching experience butch had when we hired Butch.

So we we should just fire him now? By your stats he's got less of a chance of success than Butch?
 
So we we should just fire him now? By your stats he's got less of a chance of success than Butch?

His stats show that we hired a coach who is definitely learning on the job and needs plenty of time to master his craft. He needs more than 4 to 5 years to win us an sec title. Obviously now, in year 3 if he hasn't won one sec game, we have to seriously consider this man may not be the one. But, all of that is circumstantial too. What if in year 3 the injury bug ravages the roster? A wise man would consider this.
 
His stats show that we hired a coach who is definitely learning on the job and needs plenty of time to master his craft. He needs more than 4 to 5 years to win us an sec title. Obviously now, in year 3 if he hasn't won one sec game, we have to seriously consider this man may not be the one. But, all of that is circumstantial too. What if in year 3 the injury bug ravages the roster? A wise man would consider this.

He has to demonstrate tangible improvement in play and talent level by the end of season 3. If he hasn't done that I don't care what excuse he has he needs to be gone.
 
Dooley won 3 sec games his first year and 1 sec game his second and 1 sec game his third year. Dooley is a tough one because his 5th and 6th year as head coach he regressed.

By my stats/strategy, we could have given him another year to get us back to being respectable. That would have put him with 10 years as an assistant ( exactly what Pruitt has ) and 7 years head coach experience. Hopefully in that 7th year he got us back to winning at least 3 sec games like he did his first year here. But, the regression of only winning 1 sec game each of his last two years here should probably put his job in jeopardy. Which it did.

So Pruitt after being here 3 years, thus matching Dooley with 10 years assistant experience and 3 years head coach experience, will have to win some sec games. Winning 1 or 1.5 sec games per year in year 4 5 and 6 won't cut it. That is not proving one is on their way to becoming a really good coach.

We can't just blindly give someone 8 years ( like I replied to the moderator first page of the thread ), we gotta use some sense here and see a little bit of progress in a coach. Dooley's 3 sec wins, then 1 sec win, then only 1 more sec win the following year ( his 6th year of head coach experience ) is not showing progress toward mastering his craft.
 
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He has to demonstrate tangible improvement in play and talent level by the end of season 3. If he hasn't done that I don't care what excuse he has he needs to be gone.

If the man wins an sec game year 3 I'd keep him. Year 4 and 5 we need to see a couple sec wins each year. Year 6 and 7 he needs to compete for the east and be in sec title contention. After year 8, if he has yet to put us in title game he is definitely gone. I'm willing to bet that with his potential, by year 8 this man would have us in the title game at least once. I'm willing to bet that given sufficient time, this man will show that he has built us up to be an sec title contender on a yearly basis
 
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Wait. You'd let the winless SEC streak get as high as 33 in a row before pulling the plug on Pruitt?

Most likely he isn't winning an sec game this year. He may not win one next year. You are right though, not getting an sec win in year 2 would be tough. Dang sure need at least 1 sec win in year 3
 
Wait. You'd let the winless SEC streak get as high as 33 in a row before pulling the plug on Pruitt?

All of this is getting into a discussion I didn't really intend. My point, my discussion, is really to prove that really good coaches needed time/experience, much more than Pruitt has right now, before they became really good coaches.

This side discussion of giving Pruitt 8 years blindly, to me, it's common sense you don't do that. The man has to show along the way that he is improving.
 
Most likely he isn't winning an sec game this year. He may not win one next year. You are right though, not getting an sec win in year 2 would be tough. Dang sure need at least 1 sec win in year 3

If he doesn't get an SEC win this year or next year, the streak gets to 25 going into 2020. No way he survives that.

But under your timeline, if he let the streak get to 32 but somehow won the Vandy game in Nov 2020, he'd still be your man?
 
No, it confirms it. Pruitt has nowhere near the assistant and head coaching experience butch had when we hired Butch.

uhhhhh......Pruitt had no HC coaching experience coming in but I think it would be hard to compare his assistant experience with much of anyone. I am not sure Pruitt was ever on the staff or even the playcaller for a team that won less than 10 games a season - much less actually had a losing season. He has worked for the top programs (Bamma, GA, FSU) in the country, been top personal recruiter and helped to field some of the nastiest teams at one of the most dominant programs (bumma) in a century. Pruitt definitely may need more time than an experienced HC but comparing Pruitt's time as assistant to Butch's time (or most anyone else except Kirby maybe) is not a good comparison IMO.

I dont think Pruitt will be able to fix us by the end of year 3 but I think we will begin to see if he is going to be one of the greats or not by then.
 
If he doesn't get an SEC win this year or next year, the streak gets to 25 going into 2020. No way he survives that.

But under your timeline, if he let the streak get to 32 but somehow won the Vandy game in Nov 2020, he'd still be your man?

Like I said, you are probably right. The man can't just win against the likes of utep etsu and Charlotte over the next 3 years. He will not and should not survive that.

Like I said, this a side discussion I didn't intend and haven't thought much about. What say you? Should he be fired after only 2 years on the job with 0 sec wins?? That's a tough call bro. Haven't really thought about it that much
 
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