Starting lineups 2024 and 2025

[The Dog]

@pimo1 I went through all 16 S16 teams, found who played the majority of minutes at the 4. The average size was 6’7.5” 218lbs, and those players took 41% of their shot attempts from 3. JJJ was right in that mold, 6’7.25” 213lbs (draft measurements) and 56% of attempts coming from 3. Obviously those numbers are way more in line with a JJJ type rather than an Awaka as you’ve suggested before, or having Estrella or Cade out there at the 4 either, those numbers much more suggest Milicic or Dubar at the 4.

Only 1 team played a 4 majority of minutes that was taller than 6’8”, and that was Alabama with Grant Nelson who obviously if you’ve watched Bama is a perimeter oriented player more so than a post. Teams aren’t playing 2 posts, as I laid out above most teams, and most all of the best teams, are playing a 4 who’s in the 6’7-6’8” mold that shoots the 3.

Damn, bTo, you never disappoint, good stuff.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Damn, bTo, you never disappoint, good stuff.

Keeps the board centered, thank goodness.
Grateful that someone researches and calls us on our

 

[The Dog]

Keeps the board centered, thank goodness.
Grateful that someone researches and calls us on our

Yes, sir, chuckie. He's been known to call me on my , too. We don't always agree or get along, but he does bring the stats to back his up and you have to respect that

 

[pimo1]

@pimo1 I went through all 16 S16 teams, found who played the majority of minutes at the 4. The average size was 6’7.5” 218lbs, and those players took 41% of their shot attempts from 3. JJJ was right in that mold, 6’7.25” 213lbs (draft measurements) and 56% of attempts coming from 3. Obviously those numbers are way more in line with a JJJ type rather than an Awaka as you’ve suggested before, or having Estrella or Cade out there at the 4 either, those numbers much more suggest Milicic or Dubar at the 4.

Only 1 team played a 4 majority of minutes that was taller than 6’8”, and that was Alabama with Grant Nelson who obviously if you’ve watched Bama is a perimeter oriented player more so than a post. Teams aren’t playing 2 posts, as I laid out above most teams, and most all of the best teams, are playing a 4 who’s in the 6’7-6’8” mold that shoots the 3.

You are only looking at the starters... look at their rotations. My point the whole time is having guys that can come in and matchup against other bigs. all these teams had that. We had Awaka to back up Aidoo and no one backing up JJJ because we literally had no one else to play the 4. My point has never been about the starters but depth. They all had guys they played in rotation. Yup some of these teams had a stretch 4 as their starter but all of them had some beef on the beach to give them quality minutes/fouls.

How many teams other than UT had less than 2 players over 6-6 in their regular rotations? We had 2 players taller than 6-6 average more than 6 minutes a game that guy (Philips) that averaged 6 minutes played in 13 and only 2 of those were games that were not blowouts. UNC where Awaka was fully out and Aidoo fouled out he got 12 mins he got and Purdue where they both fouled out he got 4 mins. Estrella played in 25 games and averaged 5 mins. Similar story he played in blowouts or if Awaka/Aidoo fouled out.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don’t think playing small ball was an issue for us last year, if you want to say we lacked a backup option to JJJ at the 4 then sure, but I think it was lacking a similar type. We had Awaka but again playing that type of player at the 4 isn’t winning basketball in today’s game. This year we should have Dubar & Milicic at the 4, 2 guys over 6’7”, and then at the 5 we should Okpara/Estrell/Cade all as 6’9”+ options.

 

[therickbol]

@pimo1 I went through all 16 S16 teams, found who played the majority of minutes at the 4. The average size was 6’7.5” 218lbs, and those players took 41% of their shot attempts from 3. JJJ was right in that mold, 6’7.25” 213lbs (draft measurements) and 56% of attempts coming from 3. Obviously those numbers are way more in line with a JJJ type rather than an Awaka as you’ve suggested before, or having Estrella or Cade out there at the 4 either, those numbers much more suggest Milicic or Dubar at the 4.

Only 1 team played a 4 majority of minutes that was taller than 6’8”, and that was Alabama with Grant Nelson who obviously if you’ve watched Bama is a perimeter oriented player more so than a post. Teams aren’t playing 2 posts, as I laid out above most teams, and most all of the best teams, are playing a 4 who’s in the 6’7-6’8” mold that shoots the 3.

Terminology can be thrown around that facilitates arguments about "2 posts" being on the floor. The bottom line is that it is almost impossible to be successful in today's game of basketball if you have 2 players on the floor that are only a threat to score if they are within 10 foot of the rim. You strangle all the court space that is required for the other 3 players on the floor to have any chance at being effective scorers. Defensive players and systems are simply way too effective if they only have to guard 3 players on the perimeter. You can survive with one inside-only type of player. But his idea of Duncan-Robinson with 2 true posts that are not a threat from the perimeter is just fantasy in today's basketball. You can have two 7 foot tall players on the floor. And you can call that 2 posts if you really want to I guess. But one of them must be able to dribble/pass/shoot enough that the defense must defend them on the perimeter.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Terminology can be thrown around that facilitates arguments about "2 posts" being on the floor. The bottom line is that it is almost impossible to be successful in today's game of basketball if you have 2 players on the floor that are only a threat to score if they are within 10 foot of the rim. You strangle all the court space that is required for the other 3 players on the floor to have any chance at being effective scorers. Defensive players and systems are simply way too effective if they only have to guard 3 players on the perimeter. You can survive with one inside-only type of player. But his idea of Duncan-Robinson with 2 true posts that are not a threat from the perimeter is just fantasy in today's basketball. You can have two 7 foot tall players on the floor. And you can call that 2 posts if you really want to I guess. But one of them must be able to dribble/pass/shoot enough that the defense must defend them on the perimeter.

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