Starters That Kiffin Recruited

#77
#77
govols182 said:
Totals to 8. Kiffin recruited the same amount of starter than Dooley in less time. Just wanted to point that out. I'm not a negavol for posting truth and I'm not a fan of Kiffin, just posting facts for the naysayers.
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The best standard is to look at starters by recruiting class as compared to SEC norms.

SEC Norms on 2011 Starting Rosters:
2007 Class: 2
2008 Class: 5
2009 Class: 9
2010 Class: 6
2011 Class: 2

UT-2011
2007 Class: 1 (Kiffin lost potential starters Creer & Coleman)
2008 Class: 6 (Walls was a sign-and-place player from this class; Lathers is a starter when he returns)
2009 Class: 2 (Teague & Hood)
2010 Class: 10 (Kiffin landed 5 that I can credit to him)
2011 Class: 3

So, by SEC expectations, you would expect each coach's contributions to the 2011 starting roster to be as follows:

Fulmer: 7
Kiffin: 12
Dooley: 5

Instead, what we have is:

Fulmer: 7 (despite several likely starters lost by Kiffin)
Kiffin: 7 (almost half of what it should be)
Dooley: 8 (above expectations)

From a 4-Year Perspective:
% of Recruits Who Became Starters
Fulmer 2007/2008: 40%
Kiffin 2009/2010: 20%
Dooley 2010/2011: 40%

Kiffin is the weak-link in starter-impact on this roster.
 
#78
#78
mtowntim said:
It was mentioned several times Humphries was coming also.

Here's my link from a previous thread.

Hunter is Dooleys guy. The West Coast Weasel can't claim this one.

Ocean Lakes receiver Hunter headed to Tennessee | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

Ocean Lakes standout receiver Justin Hunter, who committed to LSU last spring, has de-committed and is headed to Tennessee.

Hunter, 6-foot-4 and 185 pounds, made the decision late Tuesday night, and his coach, Chris Scott, said “this decision is final.”

Scott also said Hunter got to know new Tennessee football coach Derek Dooley, the former Louisiana Tech coach and son of legendary Georgia coach Vince Dooley.

“With the little bit of time he’s been able to establish with (coach Dooley),” Scott said, “he felt a little more comfortable and more trusting with this guy than the other Tennessee staff.
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The proves you're wrong about Hunter, 182. So by my count, that's 11 Dooley recruits starting and 7 Kiffin recruits.
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#79
#79
Incipient said:
Please. Are you even trying anymore?
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You obviously don't remember. Kiffin announced he was leaving. He then told all the recruits who were early enrollees not to attend class. Mike Hamilton told them to not listen and to just go to class and everything will be fixed. Mattresses were set aflame. And class started the next day. It's not hard to understand.
 
#80
#80
Also, Da'Rick Rogers set up his official visit to UT while Kiffin was still the coach. Orgeron was the one who first convinced him to visit.
 
#81
#81
utgibbs said:
Only three of those guys are actually Kiffin recruits (and I'm generously giving you the EEs - and one's the kicker), but hey, who's counting?
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All of those guys committed to Kiffin. I'm sure you'll respond with some opinionated facts that are wrong, claim victory, and ignore everything else.
 
#82
#82
Any attempt to count the 8 EEs for Dooley is absurd. They all made the decision to go to class and thus be locked in as Vols before he was even mentioned as a candidate for the job.
 
#84
#84
crusse10 said:
Had Kiffin not gotten him in the bag, though, there's no chance Dooley would have turned an LSU lock in 5 days.
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If he liked Kiffin so much, why did he not even visit USC? He liked USC when he began his recruitment (before Kiffin went there), then didn't even visit after Kiffin went there.
 
#85
#85
SGMVols said:
Any attempt to count the 8 EEs for Dooley is absurd. They all made the decision to go to class and thus be locked in as Vols before he was even mentioned as a candidate for the job.
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They were students before any candidate was mentioned for the job.
 
#86
#86
VegasVol said:
If he liked Kiffin so much, why did he not even visit USC? He liked USC when he began his recruitment (before Kiffin went there), then didn't even visit after Kiffin went there.
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Because he wanted to come to Tennessee. Did I not say that, or did you just choose not to read it?
 
#88
#88
govols182 said:
You obviously don't remember. Kiffin announced he was leaving. He then told all the recruits who were early enrollees not to attend class. Mike Hamilton told them to not listen and to just go to class and everything will be fixed. Mattresses were set aflame. And class started the next day. It's not hard to understand.
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If you would stop talking about what's obvious and actually read what people wrote, you'd realize that you're not arguing the same point as anyone else.

You said they were there on the 6th. Later you said they had class the next day. You claimed this was three weeks before the Dooley hire.

Someone mentioned that class started the 13th and Dooley was hired the 15th, yet you seem to think insulting people for their ability to perform kindergarten math is preferable to conceding an obviously lost point.
 
#90
#90
tvolsfan said:
Solid post. Glad this thread wasn't just another shot at Kiffin.
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Accept there are 6 blatantly false claims posted by him in this thread...

1. Schoefield was a Fulmer recruit

2. Schoefield is not a starter

3. Bohanon is not a starter

4. Hunter was recruited by Dooley

5. Hunter was not coming here until Dooley sealed the deal with the in home visit

6. Malik Jackson...transfer or not...was recruited by Dooley and Thompson

But yeah...other than those things...solid posting all around by 182
 
#91
#91
govols182 said:
Daniel Hood
Marsalis Teague
J Schofield
Tyler Bray
Channing Fugate
Zach Fulton
Jawuan James
Michael Palardy

Won't count J Smith since he was originally committed to Fulmer.
Won't count J Hunter since he committed to Dooley, but the word was Kiffin had already switched him.


That's 8 out of 24 starters. 1/3 of our team. He missed on a bunch of guys, but he got these players too.

Fulmer recruited these starters:

Willie Bohannon
Austin Johnson
Herman Lathers would be a starter if he wasn't injured.
Tauren Poole
Pre Waggner
Dallas Thomas

We will count this as 5, since Lathers is injured.

Dooley's recruited these starters:

Da'Rick Rogers
Mychal Rivera
Brent Brewer
Justin Coleman
Curt Maggitt
AJ Johnson
James Stone
Matt Darr

Totals to 8. Kiffin recruited the same amount of starter than Dooley in less time. Just wanted to point that out. I'm not a negavol for posting truth and I'm not a fan of Kiffin, just posting facts for the naysayers.
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"I'm not a fan of Kiffin, just posting facts for the naysayers". For the naysayers of the guy your not a fan of? If you want to defend Kiffin fine but why act like you don't carry his water when you obviously do. Why else try to defend his recruiting? It doesn't matter if Kiffin signed 6 of our current starters the fact is in 2009 which was Kiffin's only full recruiting class he signed 22 players of which only 11 are left. He signed (2) 5 star players and both are gone. He signed (9) 4 star guys of which only (4) are left and only one of them is a starter. There is no doubt Kiffin and CEO can recruit but the 2009class was as close to a total bust as you can get. What's the point of even trying to defend that fact?
 
#93
#93
chavisut said:
All of those guys committed to Kiffin. I'm sure you'll respond with some opinionated facts that are wrong, claim victory, and ignore everything else.
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Well that makes the EE debate academic then. :hi:

Thanks for playing.
 
#95
#95
govols182 said:
Daniel Hood
Marsalis Teague
J Schofield
Tyler Bray
Channing Fugate
Zach Fulton
Jawuan James
Michael Palardy

Won't count J Smith since he was originally committed to Fulmer.
Won't count J Hunter since he committed to Dooley, but the word was Kiffin had already switched him.


That's 8 out of 24 starters. 1/3 of our team. He missed on a bunch of guys, but he got these players too.

Fulmer recruited these starters:

Willie Bohannon
Austin Johnson
Herman Lathers would be a starter if he wasn't injured.
Tauren Poole
Pre Waggner
Dallas Thomas

We will count this as 5, since Lathers is injured.

Dooley's recruited these starters:

Da'Rick Rogers
Mychal Rivera
Brent Brewer
Justin Coleman
Curt Maggitt
AJ Johnson
James Stone
Matt Darr

Totals to 8. Kiffin recruited the same amount of starter than Dooley in less time. Just wanted to point that out. I'm not a negavol for posting truth and I'm not a fan of Kiffin, just posting facts for the naysayers.
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Go to USC and pull for Kiffin there. And Dooley took a team with alot less talent than Kiffin had here and had about the same reccord. Dooley took a team that has lost the entire O-line starting running back and QB, Lost Berry and some more on Defence. And with Dooley and his coaches recruiting we will be ok. If Kiffin stayed here we would be on probation big time. Book it!!
 
#97
#97
VegasVol said:
The best standard is to look at starters by recruiting class as compared to SEC norms.

SEC Norms on 2011 Starting Rosters:
2007 Class: 2
2008 Class: 5
2009 Class: 9
2010 Class: 6
2011 Class: 2

UT-2011
2007 Class: 1 (Kiffin lost potential starters Creer & Coleman)
2008 Class: 6 (Walls was a sign-and-place player from this class; Lathers is a starter when he returns)
2009 Class: 2 (Teague & Hood)
2010 Class: 10 (Kiffin landed 5 that I can credit to him)
2011 Class: 3

So, by SEC expectations, you would expect each coach's contributions to the 2011 starting roster to be as follows:

Fulmer: 7
Kiffin: 12
Dooley: 5

Instead, what we have is:

Fulmer: 7 (despite several likely starters lost by Kiffin)
Kiffin: 7 (almost half of what it should be)
Dooley: 8 (above expectations)

From a 4-Year Perspective:
% of Recruits Who Became Starters
Fulmer 2007/2008: 40%
Kiffin 2009/2010: 20%
Dooley 2010/2011: 40%

Kiffin is the weak-link in starter-impact on this roster.
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Usually your facts are unassailable. But I'm not coming up with the five from 2010, and I'm assuming you are being generous with Teague.
 
#100
#100
Again...do you seriously think that Hunter was going to LSU the entire time Kiffin was here, and then Dooley flipped him in 5 days right before NSD? Really?
 
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