Spread offense not all that.......

#27
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kptvol said:
Dan Brooks has been coaching DTs since the early 90s. He's probably the best position coach UT has.
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well, I think that says a lot about where UT is right now. nothing against coach brooks, but I think all employees get stagnant in their jobs. new blood is a good thing from time to time.
 
#28
#28
I wasn't talking about him being stagnant. Its just plain retarded to value someone who isn't even currently a coach and never has been one, minus his continuous bragging about how he's helped UGA linemen over the years, over Dan Brooks, who's coached up at least 5 Pro Bowlers, including two defensive tackles who often get mentioned as the best at their position on the planet.
 
#29
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oklavol said:
The operative word there being "has been"
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Our DTs were great in 2005. They would have been great in 2006 if Justin Harrell hadn't been hurt. Even so, he's put how many guys in the NFL in just the past few years? Since 2005:

Jesse Mahelona
Turk McBride
Justin Harrell
Tony McDaniel

That's not too shabby.
 
#30
#30
Pocket Passer said:
Ok, let's get it on.....

You think we need to run the spread huh? Okay, well first lets see what the best minds in football are doing. Four of the best teams in the NFL have very good the great pocket passers. No spread offense there. What about the teams with the QB's who might do it, Tennessee and Atlanta. Well, don't think we'll ever find out what Vick was gonna do, but he wasn't doing well. BUT, he sure wasn't running an option either, why? How about the Titans. VY had more rushing yards that the Heisman winner in their National Championship game. Where's the Titans spread offense. They have the players to run it. Hmmmm......

Why have there been so many upsets this year in college football. How are teams with lesser talent beating teams with much better players. It's quite simple, it's currently an equalizer, and it's not unstoppable. The team with the best talent for running the spread this year lost 3 games inside their conference. What did the Bruce Pearl do with less talent two years ago to the likes of Texas and Florida. Ran like crazy for 20 games, and then teams caught on and started shutting us down. The same thing is going to happen to the spread.

The spread creates wider lanes and open space for play makers like Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin to make plays. First, Tebow's a freak, not the norm. What the Gators did with Tebow as a run threat is not much different than what Arkansas did when MacFadden lined up at QB. Tennessee didn't seem to have much trouble stopping Arkansas's version of Tebow did they? Florida's spread believe it or not is a run first option. They just so happen to have a full back at QB who can also throw. Other than Florida, for now, the spread is an equalizer for the weaker teams. It doesn't do much more than they way we ran the no huddle this year. It's made to create mismatches, just like what UT was trying to do all year. One difference, our offense did not have the better athletes. If Ainge had just on guy who could get deep and could go after a ball. That 6'4" to 6'6" 205 to 220 lbs guy that can get over the DB's in the SEC, we have a totally different season. I doubt we lose to Cal. We may still lose to Florida, but we're in the game longer for sure with Alabama and they don't see the ball as much.

The spread is a legitimate offense that creates mismatches, but if your athletes on D, I'll say Eric Berry for starters, can match up and commit to their position, the spread will not be so great looking. Don't get me wrong, I thinks it's great to bring in Gerald Jones in the backfield. But I don't think it needs to be the basis of our offense. We run a pro style offense for a reason, if the pros don't run the spread, why should we. It's good to throw in the mix, but don't bank our whole season on it. The SEC has the speed and hitting power to control the spread, the D coordinators just need to see it, and they'll catch on.
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thank you, Coach Neyland...we promise...we'll go back to the single wing, now.
 
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The Dude said:
I wasn't talking about him being stagnant. Its just plain retarded to value someone who isn't even currently a coach and never has been one, minus his continuous bragging about how he's helped UGA linemen over the years, over Dan Brooks, who's coached up at least 5 Pro Bowlers, including two defensive tackles who often get mentioned as the best at their position on the planet.
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Wellllllllllll, ok, glad to see your open to new ideas, thats kinda what these forums are all about, so glad you got to play, come back again..............:crazy:
 
#33
#33
This is just my opinion so take it for what it is worth.

There is a difference between the "Spread Offense" and a spread formation. A spread offense is using playcalling and formation shifts/changes to create mismatches and get talented and speedy players the ball in the open field so they can hopefully make some defenders miss and breaking long plays. It is a philosophy more than a package, hence why some coaches can use it effectivly with drastically varied formations and some can grasp the concept.

Look at the Hawaii and Texas Tech. They both run a Spread O but you will not see Colt Brennan nor Graham Herrel(sp?) running for over 20 TD's. They throw 60 times a game and there playmakers at receiver do the rest.

Now look at Florida or Oregon. They have a same philosophy as Hawaii or TT but instead of depending on running backs or receivers mainly they depend on the QB to run to open up the passing game instead of a conventional run.


Both have the same effect and same philosophy but use differing tactics. The spread formation is just 4-5 WR in the game at once nothing special.
 
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#34
Is Michigan gonna turn into a spread offense team with RR at the helm? That has to be a hard thing for guys to learn all new formations and plays when a new HC comes along.
 
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#35
Well, CRR is going to coach what he knows. And if he gets Pryor, I think the UM fans will understand. They want to win but if they see the product on the field, and see its going to work in the long term, he will be given time. Wouldn't hurt if he up and beat tOSU.
 
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oklavol said:
Top 20 teams in total offense in Div 1

1 Tulsa
2 Texas Tech
3 Hawaii
4 Houston
5 Missouri
6 Kansas
7 Nevada
8 Louisville
9 Oklahoma St.
10 Boise St.
11 Nebraska
12 Oregon
13 Florida
13 Texas
15 BYU
16 Arkansas
17 Troy
18 Oklahoma
19 West Virginia
20 Toledo

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org

Half the teams in the top 20 are using a spread formation to run their offense from.

Spread offense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also Applachian State won 3 Div 1-AA titles in a row with a spread offense, and Florida won the Div 1 title last year.
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Hard to argue with your list and the points you make, but here's another perspective just for the sake of argument:

Five out of six champions of the major BCS conferences in 2007 didn't run spread offenses. The only exception was WV, and we all saw how awful their spread was against USF and lowly Pitt.

So the argument of the original poster using the NFL as an example seems to hold true at the highest levels of college football as well. Clearly, the spread is not the choice of champions in the majority of cases. Rather, it seems to be choice of teams that want to rank high in total offense.

I know UF won it all last year, but it was defense moreso than offense that brought the title home. And UF has the kind of talent to run the spread that other teams can only dream about. The Gators are the exception that proves the rule in D1A football. This year, with Tebow the Maestro running the show the offense was better than ever. But with the defense rebuilding, they didn't even play for the conference title. Which all goes to show that defense and the kicking game are STILL the things that win championships, even in the day of the spread offense.
 
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#37
kptvol said:
Our DTs were great in 2005. They would have been great in 2006 if Justin Harrell hadn't been hurt. Even so, he's put how many guys in the NFL in just the past few years? Since 2005:

Jesse Mahelona
Turk McBride
Justin Harrell
Tony McDaniel

That's not too shabby.
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Not at all, but I would say you look at our DB's and OL in the NFL, probably the 2 worst positions coached over the past several years. I would say that it goes more to the overall talent that has come thur the hill. If CLS stays, do you think EB is going to get any better than he is now. Stronger yes, more game speed yes, more big game experience yes, but better from a technique stance, I say no. I think you would agree that most of us, not all, but most think that the overall staff is a bit weak. But you look at all the players we send to the NFL. What does this say, we evaluate talent fairly well, and physically develop these young men for the next level. Just wish CPF would do the same with his own staff. just one mans opinion,(as great as it is) :whistling:
 
#38
#38
I'm not really in favor of retaining anyone on this staff. If I had to pick one, it'd be Dan Brooks. Chavis is also a pretty good LB coach.
 
#39
#39
kptvol said:
Our DTs were great in 2005. They would have been great in 2006 if Justin Harrell hadn't been hurt. Even so, he's put how many guys in the NFL in just the past few years? Since 2005:

Jesse Mahelona
Turk McBride
Justin Harrell
Tony McDaniel

That's not too shabby.
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There's no deying in the past, Brooks has put out some excellent defensive tackles.

But for the last two years thats been one of the weakest positions on the team. Injuries have played a role, players going early in the draft, etc. But the starters at DT, Bolden and Mapu were both 4 and 5 star recruits. They just haven't developed.
 
#40
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kptvol said:
I'm not really in favor of retaining anyone on this staff. If I had to pick one, it'd be Dan Brooks. Chavis is also a pretty good LB coach.
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Well, I would probably agree on most of the d-side of the ball, I like what Adkins has done with the O-line, Roper is ok, I think we could have better, but he's ok. Trooper is Trooper, he gets the most out of his guys as a position coach, would not give him the keys to the offense just yet. But other than that, goodbye.
 
#41
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voldurham said:
Hard to argue with your list and the points you make, but here's another perspective just for the sake of argument:

Five out of six champions of the major BCS conferences in 2007 didn't run spread offenses. The only exception was WV, and we all saw how awful their spread was against USF and lowly Pitt.
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I think to evaluate an offense, you need to look at only the offense. The team performance is a reflection of how the offense, defense, and special teams play. Not just the offense.

A lot of teams, like Texas Tech, have a good offense, just a poor defense and that why they aren't more successful as a team. The offense is very successful though.
 
#42
#42
The last time Texas Tech played an SEC team I believe they put up 6 points. This year's victory against Oklahoma is the first significant win I can remember from the Red Raiders. There are plenty of good teams that run the spread. Hawaii and Texas Tech are both overrated, in my opinion.
 
#43
#43
kptvol said:
The last time Texas Tech played an SEC team I believe they put up 6 points. This year's victory against Oklahoma is the first significant win I can remember from the Red Raiders. There are plenty of good teams that run the spread. Hawaii and Texas Tech are both overrated, in my opinion.
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Texas Tech is #6 in scoring offense (42 pts/game) , #2 in total offense (537 yds/game), and #1 passing offense (476 yds/game) in the country. That's a good offense.

Ranking Summary
 
#44
#44
oklavol said:
Texas Tech is #6 in scoring offense (42 pts/game) , #2 in total offense (537 yds/game), and #1 passing offense (476 yds/game) in the country. That's a good offense.

Ranking Summary
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Who are they playing in their bowl game? If it's Auburn, or another decently equipped SEC defense, they won't put up 20 points.
 
#46
#46
kptvol said:
Dan Brooks has been coaching DTs since the early 90s. He's probably the best position coach UT has.
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brooks has been around for a while, and has the resume. so why is TT the highest paid position coach on staff?
 
#47
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tm3 said:
brooks has been around for a while, and has the resume. so why is TT the highest paid position coach on staff?
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Well. Geniuses who couldn't name one guy on the staff other than Phil Fulmer now know who Trooper Taylor is because he'll come out to the field waving a towel and doing cartwheels before the team has left the locker room. This has made him identifiable. Couple that with the fact that he replaced two awful coaches and outperformed him and everyone thinks he is the future of college football. He also got the son of a former Vol captain to commit to UT.
 
#48
#48
kptvol said:
Well. Geniuses who couldn't name one guy on the staff other than Phil Fulmer now know who Trooper Taylor is because he'll come out to the field waving a towel and doing cartwheels before the team has left the locker room. This has made him identifiable. Couple that with the fact that he replaced two awful coaches and outperformed him and everyone thinks he is the future of college football. He also got the son of a former Vol captain to commit to UT.
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i would think that brooks would be really PO'd by someone with less seniority, and less pro bowlers, making more money. that kind of scaling would not fly in most corporate systems that i know of.

sorry if this has already been discussed and i'm late to the party. i didn't learn that TT was highest paid until recently and it really surprised me.
 
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