Spread offense not all that.......

#58
#58
voldurham said:
.......the NFL as an example seems to hold true at the highest levels of college football as well. Clearly, the spread is not the choice of champions in the majority of cases. Rather, it seems to be choice of teams that want to rank high in total offense.
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I was reading lots of articles on the 'spread offense' and the 'spread option'. The spread option is really for teams who lack in great talent, but are full of athletes. The spread offense is to create mis matches and space. Big guys on little guys, or speedy guys on slow guys. A pocket passer according to the option is a wasted blocker, Tim Tebow and his extemely ugly play action to himself takes your extra man on D away from you and spreads the field.

Someone considered ( i forgot his name, but not Urban ) an innovator of the spread option was asked how do you stop it. He wouldn't offer up very much info so as to not give up the ghost, be he said he would start by putting in 8 DB's. So think about it, there's lot's of open space for the offense to run in. If you have really quick guys who can get to the ball, you just need to make great tackles. Another thing he said about it is in reaction to how the spread is intended to create mis matches with the way the O lines up and moves in motion. The D has to find a way to hide what they are trying to do in their line up. Did anybody see the Steelers Patriots game last week. For the first half the Steelers D was never really set before the snap. It gave all kinds of problems to the Pats who came to the line with a play. What would that do to a team who decides what to do with the ball after it's snapped.

Bottom line is, somebody's gonna figure out how to stop it, then they'll adjust, and so on and so forth. It's new, it's sexy and it score a lot of points right now. But until FL goes undefeated in the SEC with his full offense scheme, cuz he didn't run total spread last year, for right now the spread is just another scheme that the big boys will start putting in it's place.
 
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#59
How on earth did Florida score 101 more points this year than last year then? Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, a defense that allowed (oddly enough) 101 more points this year than last year had something to do with being 9-3 instead of 13-0 at this point? Meyer has taken an offense that was considered obsolete 70 years ago, modernized it a bit, and has seen the Gators score 343, 416, and 517 points with it. Shouldn't it be going the other way if teams can figure out how to stop it (particularly in conference)?

As for the notion of putting in eight DBs, the whole purpose of the option game is finding a mismatch somewhere along the line. Put in eight DBs? Fine...get the offensive line upfield to mash those DBs and see how long you stay in that personnel group. Go back to 4-5 DBs? Now you get optioned again. Only a complete bonehead would be unable to adjust a game plan according to the most basic things like this. That's why I think it was Granny Holtz that said it.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
How on earth did Florida score 101 more points this year than last year then? Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, a defense that allowed (oddly enough) 101 more points this year than last year had something to do with being 9-3 instead of 13-0 at this point? Meyer has taken an offense that was considered obsolete 70 years ago, modernized it a bit, and has seen the Gators score 343, 416, and 517 points with it. Shouldn't it be going the other way if teams can figure out how to stop it (particularly in conference)?

As for the notion of putting in eight DBs, the whole purpose of the option game is finding a mismatch somewhere along the line. Put in eight DBs? Fine...get the offensive line upfield to mash those DBs and see how long you stay in that personnel group. Go back to 4-5 DBs? Now you get optioned again. Only a complete bonehead would be unable to adjust a game plan according to the most basic things like this. That's why I think it was Granny Holtz that said it.
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First of all, the spread option is what Meyer "modernized" and is now the spread offense. That's the key. It's upgraded and new and sexy and all that, and will be figured out. Auburn stopped it pretty good, so it's very stoppable. And on the 8 DB's, that coming from someone who runs the spread dude, not me. No it wasn't Holtz.


Just answer this question....If it's so great and unstoppable why don't the big boys in the NFL use it? When you have the right athletes on the other side of the field, it won't be so great then.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
First of all, the spread option is what Meyer "modernized" and is now the spread offense. That's the key. It's upgraded and new and sexy and all that, and will be figured out. Auburn stopped it pretty good, so it's very stoppable. And on the 8 DB's, that coming from someone who runs the spread dude, not me. No it wasn't Holtz.


Just answer this question....If it's so great and unstoppable why don't the big boys in the NFL use it? When you have the right athletes on the other side of the field, it won't be so great then.
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An NFL QB is the most precious commodity in professional sports.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
First of all, the spread option is what Meyer "modernized" and is now the spread offense. That's the key. It's upgraded and new and sexy and all that, and will be figured out. Auburn stopped it pretty good, so it's very stoppable. And on the 8 DB's, that coming from someone who runs the spread dude, not me. No it wasn't Holtz.
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So what? Name me an offense this season that didn't get shut down at some point? That's going to happen. It may get "figured out" sooner or later, but that isn't going to stop teams from running it and running it successfully with regularity.
 
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BACKDOC said:
This is not the NFL.
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The spread is a fad whin D coaches adapt it will be just like all the rest of the O's. One player on one player the smartest the strongest the most physical will win the contest it may take a while but D coaches will catch on.
 
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kptvol said:
So what? Name me an offense this season that didn't get shut down at some point? That's going to happen. It may get "figured out" sooner or later, but that isn't going to stop teams from running it and running it successfully with regularity.
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Big deal.....so let's run the wishbone then.
 
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#65
If a team can successfully run the ball, who cares how. If you're able to adapt to the D with a couple of HB's or a FB and HB, there is no point to run the spread or the option. Control the line of scrimage, control the ball, control the game. Enforce your will on the other team. When the Colts are clicking it's pretty unstoppable, and the same with the Patriots. When Tennessee's D played, minus the SEC Championship game, we still win with dink and dunk....... why retool what works. Put some good receivers on the field and Tennessee is pretty damn deadly.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
If a team can successfully run the ball you can't lose. It's simple math dude.
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Thanks for the math lesson, dude. The wishbone doesn't provide enough for the defense to worry about thus, it's easier to stop the run. The spread option does exactly the opposite.
 
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#69
Air Force 2006 week 2 vs TN

AF -281 rushing yrd
TN-79 rush

not as simple as it may seem
 
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kptvol said:
Thanks for the math lesson, dude. The wishbone doesn't provide enough for the defense to worry about thus, it's easier to stop the run. The spread option does exactly the opposite.
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But the wishbone was the greatest thing, unstoppable in it's time. If a team can run the ball out of a single back set, offset I, or some other set, why are they going to go to the option or the spread.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
But until FL goes undefeated in the SEC with his full offense scheme, cuz he didn't run total spread last year, for right now the spread is just another scheme that the big boys will start putting in it's place.
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I hate to break it to you..but it may be awhile before someone goes undefeated in this conference again....1 loss team is the new undefeated nowadays.
 
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PowerT83 said:
Air Force 2006 week 2 vs TN

AF -281 rushing yrd
TN-79 rush

not as simple as it may seem
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Our defense (especially against the run) wasn't exactly good last season. Why not check how many yards Florida's spread option rolled up on UT this year?
 
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One NC with the spread. Used 2 qbs. Lets see..... Leak was not , repeat was not, a spread qb. Best teams in the NCAA with the spread. All three teams qb's are super stars and all three are hurt. None of them are playing for the NC. The spread requires a superstar qb who will, in all probability, be injured before the season is over. Thus, the team will suffer. So the spread is great but it will not get you through the season without injuries. Let Rodriguez run the spread in Michigan.. they may win the big 10 in a couple of years, but again they will most likely be playing their bowl game with a back up qb, kinda like Oregon.
 
#74
#74
I think TN should worry more about defending the spread instead of running the spread.
 
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