Spain blackout

[Vol8188]

It's blocked. Pay wall.

Of all the people in the PF, I assumed you to be the most likely NYT subscriber

 

[StarRaider]

Actually it was the frequency that dropped below a critical cycle (50 Hz is the design and the grid needs to be between some tight band)

 

[lawgator1]

As I posted above, the NYT article DOES NOT support the inference that the cause of the outage was renewable sources. It is simply not known yet.

I'm not saying it didn't. I am saying that the anti conservation people are rushing to assume it did, because that supports their narrative. It may turn out to be the case. I don't know. But the quick assumption that it did cannot be supported at this point.

 

[Vol8188]

As I posted above, the NYT article DOES NOT support the inference that the cause of the outage was renewable sources. It is simply not known yet.

I'm not saying it didn't. I am saying that the anti conservation people are rushing to assume it did, because that supports their narrative. It may turn out to be the case. I don't know. But the quick assumption that it did cannot be supported at this point.

71% of their grid was between solar and wind at the time. Over 50% was solar specifically and the issue was a drop in output of solar from 18 (I forget the unit) to 8.

As the NYT article points out, there’s aspects of solar that make this more likely to occur with a solar grid.

 

[lawgator1]

71% of their grid was between solar and wind at the time. Over 50% was solar specifically and the issue was a drop in output of solar from 18 (I forget the unit) to 8.

As the NYT article points out, there’s aspects of solar that make this more likely to occur with a solar grid.

It
Does
Not
Reach
A
Conclusion
As
To
The
Cause



Period.

 

[hog88]

It
Does
Not
Reach
A
Conclusion
As
To
Thr
Cause



Period.

And
the
NYT
will
Not
Reach
A
Conclusion
or
publish
it
once
there
is
one

 

[lawgator1]

And
the
NYT
will
Not
Reach
A
Conclusion
or
publish
it
once
there
is
one

Then why quote it as "proof" that the cause was renewable source issues ?

 

[hog88]

Then why quote it as "proof" that the cause was renewable source issues ?

I didn't

 

[lawgator1]

I didn't

Others have. Others here have leapt to their desired conclusion that the cause was the renewable sources, and they have then claimed the NYT article reached that conclusion.

Unwarranted at this stage.

 

[Orange_Crush]

VN:


"Let's not rush to conclusions and make accusations about renewable power."

Also:

"The admin says that they have a trade deal without releasing the details, so obviously they don't really have a trade deal!"

 

[hog88]

Others have. Others here have leapt to their desired conclusion that the cause was the renewable sources, and they have then claimed the NYT article reached that conclusion.

Unwarranted at this stage.

Ask them

 

[ButchPlz]

I know nothing about power generation, but what I'm reading (mostly out of Spain, in Spanish) seems to be that the renewables are causing wild fluctuations and instability in the network which caused everything to crash.

If there's one thing I've seen about most renewables at scale, it's that they just plain aren't reliable and consistent. I think there are probably renewable sources we can reliably use without too often touching the backups in some areas (geothermal, hydro) but this reliance on solar and wind, which are incredibly inefficient, is idiotic.

We really ought to be going nuclear.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I know nothing about power generation, but what I'm reading (mostly out of Spain, in Spanish) seems to be that the renewables are causing wild fluctuations and instability in the network which caused everything to crash.

If there's one thing I've seen about most renewables at scale, it's that they just plain aren't reliable and consistent. I think there are probably renewable sources we can reliably use without too often touching the backups in some areas (geothermal, hydro) but this reliance on solar and wind, which are incredibly inefficient, is idiotic.

We really ought to be going nuclear.

Nuclear is the answer anywhere that geothermal or hydro isnt gifted from the Earth IMO. Theres even small, self contained reactors now that can be used for areas that don't need a traditional large scale nuclear plant. Theres no reason to have coal fired plants anymore in most cases...but China is building dozens of them as we speak.