Space Exploration

Are NASA's future missions and budget justified?

  • It's worth the time and expenditures

    Votes: 225 65.8%

  • Complete waste of money

    Votes: 42 12.3%

  • We need to explore, but not at the current cost

    Votes: 75 21.9%
  • Total voters
    342
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CagleMtnVol said:
I'm the opposite I think we are entering a very exciting time with Orion and Artemis scheduled to launch next year. Starliner coming in a few months the continued development of the Lunar Gateway program and of course the development of Starship. Even other private companies like Blue Origin which we really haven't heard anything from in months.

I think for the first time in decades thanks to the Trump administration NASA finally has a vision and a purpose and IMO an administrator in Jim Bridenstine to get things done. I just hope as long as Democrats don't win this fall and shut it down the way Obama did the Ares/Constellation Program we might see some amazing things in the next 4 to 6 years!
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I'm pretty sure I read that Artemis 1 got bumped to Q1 2022. But I agree, exciting times for space flight.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
I'm the opposite I think we are entering a very exciting time with Orion and Artemis scheduled to launch next year. Starliner coming in a few months the continued development of the Lunar Gateway program and of course the development of Starship. Even other private companies like Blue Origin which we really haven't heard anything from in months.

I think for the first time in decades thanks to the Trump administration NASA finally has a vision and a purpose and IMO an administrator in Jim Bridenstine to get things done. I just hope as long as Democrats don't win this fall and shut it down the way Obama did the Ares/Constellation Program we might see some amazing things in the next 4 to 6 years!
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I don't think Blue Origin has done anything other than build a big beautiful 'assembly' hangar. It's literally 4 miles from my house, and although I rarely go by there, I have never seen anything going on.

Your NASA comment is very interesting. FOr the most part, the only real NASA part of this exercise were the astronauts.
(I know, that is painting with a very broad brush)

I dunno. I guess the technology is 'exciting' to an extent. As a pilot, I can state unequivocally that the best part of flying is doing the takeoff and landing. These vehicles are designed to take that out of the equation. I personally find it sad. That being said, I'd go in a heartbeat.

But just curious, would you get on an non human piloted airliner?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't think Blue Origin has done anything other than build a big beautiful 'assembly' hangar. It's literally 4 miles from my house, and although I rarely go by there, I have never seen anything going on.

Your NASA comment is very interesting. FOr the most part, the only real NASA part of this exercise were the astronauts.
(I know, that is painting with a very broad brush)

I dunno. I guess the technology is 'exciting' to an extent. As a pilot, I can state unequivocally that the best part of flying is doing the takeoff and landing. These vehicles are designed to take that out of the equation. I personally find it sad. That being said, I'd go in a heartbeat.

But just curious, would you get on an non human piloted airliner?
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I've never been on a "piloted" one so.... Seriously I've never been on a airplane except one on the ground.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't think Blue Origin has done anything other than build a big beautiful 'assembly' hangar. It's literally 4 miles from my house, and although I rarely go by there, I have never seen anything going on.

Your NASA comment is very interesting. FOr the most part, the only real NASA part of this exercise were the astronauts.
(I know, that is painting with a very broad brush)

I dunno. I guess the technology is 'exciting' to an extent. As a pilot, I can state unequivocally that the best part of flying is doing the takeoff and landing. These vehicles are designed to take that out of the equation. I personally find it sad. That being said, I'd go in a heartbeat.

But just curious, would you get on an non human piloted airliner?
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I would. Out of my control is out of my control. I am just a passenger either way.

I dont think I would be on the first 100/1000 non human piloted flights, but I would have been similarly dubious of the first 100/1000 human piloted flights as well.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't think Blue Origin has done anything other than build a big beautiful 'assembly' hangar. It's literally 4 miles from my house, and although I rarely go by there, I have never seen anything going on.

Your NASA comment is very interesting. FOr the most part, the only real NASA part of this exercise were the astronauts.
(I know, that is painting with a very broad brush)

I dunno. I guess the technology is 'exciting' to an extent. As a pilot, I can state unequivocally that the best part of flying is doing the takeoff and landing. These vehicles are designed to take that out of the equation. I personally find it sad. That being said, I'd go in a heartbeat.

But just curious, would you get on an non human piloted airliner?
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Yeah. I'd fly on a non human piloted airliner. We'll be there in the not to distant future.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I tell you what they came up with the fault in days. Would of took government months.
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first is the approval for a preliminary invesigation to see if further investigation is required. then that preliminary investigation. then approval for the real investigation. Then a brief period where they start the real investigation but figure out about a week into it that something was missing off the preliminary investigation. So back to the preliminary investigation, which then issues a report. the report has to be approved to be read by the real investigation. Then the real investigation gets back going. probably delayed at some point, due to a shut down or its the mating season of the triple billed hornduck and they are within 50 miles, so everything has to stop. Then upon restart they find something completely unrelated to the investigation and that rabbit hole takes several weeks of approvals and investigations. Finally back to the real investigation, which issues its report. which requires approval before some of the team writing the report are cleared to read their own content. After the report is complete and approved for further distribution a committee is needed, which requires approval from another sub committee, this committee then reads the report. Starts their own micro investigation into the paper the report was printed on. Eventually they review the report and approve of it. before it goes back to the sub committee which has to approve the whole body reading the report, including those that were in the committee who have already read the report. and then once its been reviewed by everyone they issue a bunch of comments talking about how the report should have focused on other items.

Space X was like, "Hey you, what happened" Hey you responds "This boss", "Ok fix it".
 
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Orangeburst said:
I tell you what they came up with the fault in days. Would of took government months.
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Have you watched the live streaming feed? They have been working pretty much around the clock rebuilding the launch platform.

I wouldn't be surprised to see SN5 moved to the pad by this time next week.
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah. I'd fly on a non human piloted airliner. We'll be there in the not to distant future.
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From what I understand, the biggest obstacle to that right now is the connectivity issue. If you are out over the ocean and cannot maintain comm links, it might be a really bad day. But I get it. Modern airliners are very reliable.... until they aren't. ;) Either way, my job ain't going away before I retire in another 5-7 years.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
From what I understand, the biggest obstacle to that right now is the connectivity issue. If you are out over the ocean and cannot maintain comm links, it might be a really bad day. But I get it. Modern airliners are very reliable.... until they aren't. ;) Either way, my job ain't going away before I retire in another 5-7 years.
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As you pointed out earlier, the ship that carried the astronauts was all autonomous. And that's a dang long way.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
From what I understand, the biggest obstacle to that right now is the connectivity issue. If you are out over the ocean and cannot maintain comm links, it might be a really bad day. But I get it. Modern airliners are very reliable.... until they aren't. ;) Either way, my job ain't going away before I retire in another 5-7 years.
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I would think they could program some instructions in there. For a computer it's a couple simple inputs of needing to know what air speed, and what x/y/z coordinates to follow.

The main issue would be storms. The time when you need the most input is when you probably have the worst connection.

At some point we are all replaceable. Even the design field and anything creative. There are programs out there that can run hundreds or thousands of iterative concepts based on starting input. And then you can refine the parameters to get some finer control. The human aspect would be any fine tuning past what the program can handle.
 
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Anyone else watching these daily videos from NASASpaceflight.com YouTube channel of the going ons at the SpaceX facility in Boca Chica, TX?

They are literally working around the clock so each day something changes.

Sunday, May 31st.



Monday, June 1st



Tuesday, June 2nd



Wednesday, June 3rd
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Anyone else watching these daily videos from NASASpaceflight.com YouTube channel of the going ons at the SpaceX facility in Boca Chica, TX?

They are literally working around the clock so each day something changes.
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There are quite a few people on the NASA Spaceflight forums speculating and arguing about what each new picture or video shows.

I spend too much time there and on YouTube watching these and the LabPadre livestream.
 
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