Southeastern Conference WBB Schedule

[lvocd]

The only way to know if this team really is way more special in every way than last year’s team is to watch how they handle and adjust to any instances that might arise of the opponent getting back-to-back-to back wide open layups on them even if they all know they’ve hustled and defended to the best of their abilities but it still doesn't stop the opponent from making them look bad — or, as lots of fans last year said, like “they just don’t care.”

Hopefully this team has a level of quickness and tenacity that rivals even the greatest teams in history, ‘cause they’re going to have to have that to stop well coached teams from exploiting the fact that three men trapping one or two of their players on one end of the court usually means that the opponent has unguarded players down court.

We’ll know a lot more after we see if they get easily scored on despite having just busted their butts following the defensive plan.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

The only way to know if this team really is way more special in every way than last year’s team is to watch how they handle and adjust to any instances that might arise of the opponent getting back-to-back-to back wide open layups on them even if they all know they’ve hustled and defended to the best of their abilities but it still doesn't stop the opponent from making them look bad — or, as lots of fans last year said, like “they just don’t care.”

Hopefully this team has a level of quickness and tenacity that rivals even the greatest teams in history, ‘cause they’re going to have to have that to stop well coached teams from exploiting the fact that three men trapping one or two of their players on one end of the court usually means that the opponent has unguarded players down court.

We’ll know a lot more after we see if they get easily scored on despite having just busted their butts following the defensive plan.

The quickness and tenacity factors are impacted by when the trap decision is executed. Saw too many instances where the player waited way too long from too far away to set the trap. The positioning of the other 2 players is key as well. STOP THE BALL is pretty basic rule that was not executed. Maturity and instincts AS A TEAM are key. If the he second or third trapper is late instead of getting into the passing lanes life is not good, but does not have to be fatal.

Did not see a lot of quit in bad sequences last year but a lot of ill timed decisions. Does this squad have better FIT to schemes? TBD. Not smarter, but instinctive.

 

[Ovol]

Have no idea how teams will play this year, but Ole Miss has two 6’5 players and one 6’4. They also have Cooper and Civil who might be playing with extra incentive. Not sure I would count that game as a win.

Civil can’t shoot worth a sh**, Cooper may be sulking and quit by Jan 3. And it’s in Knoxvegas. I think we whip em.

 

[TnVolsX4]

Agree. Anything over 500 in the SEC would be an accomplishment.

Also, at the three year mark that puts the program exactly back where Kim found it. Mid Pack SEC (higher finishes under KJH but adjusted for an "easier" SEC) and possible Sweet Sixteen. No measurable progress If that's the outcome.

Given everything that's happened, maybe Getting back to square one is an accomplishment. But I think we had hoped for more by this point

II think a determining factor this season may be health. We'll need everyone to recover promptly and properly.

Also we'll need to have found the sweet spot for offseason training. The porridge can't be too hot or too cold. That's one of the peculiarities of this system.

Also no one arrested would be good.

 

[lvocd]

Also no one arrested would be good.

Ouch.

But, yeah. That would be good.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Civil can’t shoot worth a sh**, Cooper may be sulking and quit by Jan 3. And it’s in Knoxvegas. I think we whip em.

Dayum, Ovol! Errr… got a resentment?

 

[glv98]

Not smarter, but instinctive.

I think this is the crux of the argument about "the system". Totally agree that the goal is make the trapping decisions instantaneous and instinctive. Problem is to install a new instinct, you have to remove the old one first. This is the challenge, especially when the new instinct doesn't seem to be working such as last year.

This is why Kim has said several times that her system is difficult to learn and takes several months of the season to successfully implement. It's a lot to overcome everything previously learned and replace it with something unconventional. It is definitely not instinctual at first for players to purposely create a mismatch on defense that leaves someone wide open.

Once again, this also completely leaves out the most important X factor. And that's the opposition. Especially with the better teams it's likely no matter how quick or true our instinct to execute is, the opposition's ball handling and press break plan is simply too good to not take advantage of their own long held instinct to exploit a mismatch for an easy lay up.

Cue last year. The New Instinct needs to be rewarded quickly or faith in it begins to crumble. It has to be worth it in the end. Even though everything else has changed, the eternal question for CKC remains the same. Can she make this system successful based solely on the LVs executing it better, running through the brick hall wall harder, without regard to opponents ability to adjust to it? And will she have an alternative plan when inevitably a quality opponent does adjust? We'll see!

 

[Ovol]

Dayum, Ovol! Errr… got a resentment?

Just the facts….

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I think this is the crux of the argument about "the system". Totally agree that the goal is make the trapping decisions instantaneous and instinctive. Problem is to install a new instinct, you have to remove the old one first. This is the challenge, especially when the new instinct doesn't seem to be working such as last year.

This is why Kim has said several times that her system is difficult to learn and takes several months of the season to successfully implement. It's a lot to overcome everything previously learned and replace it with something unconventional. It is definitely not instinctual at first for players to purposely create a mismatch on defense that leaves someone wide open.

Once again, this also completely leaves out the most important X factor. And that's the opposition. Especially with the better teams it's likely no matter how quick or true our instinct to execute is, the opposition's ball handling and press break plan is simply too good to not take advantage of their own long held instinct to exploit a mismatch for an easy lay up.

Cue last year. The New Instinct needs to be rewarded quickly or faith in it begins to crumble. It has to be worth it in the end. Even though everything else has changed, the eternal question for CKC remains the same. Can she make this system successful based solely on the LVs executing it better, running through the brick hall wall harder, without regard to opponents ability to adjust to it? And will she have an alternative plan when inevitably a quality opponent does adjust? We'll see!

Yep, hopefully we can yield enough out of the NEW bunch that have instincts that most of last years class did not have. Don’t think instincts are learned.

Guessing they looked for ladies that exhibited some specific traits from the portal at their previous stops. You can see reaction time and reflexive twitch on tape. You can live with a little less raw athleticism with a lot more savy if you have a bench pretty full. Getting to the wrong spot faster is not an asset. We saw a lot of that last year. Gamers with ENOUGH speed can execute as a team on the defensive end. Lot of points on the other end on those tapes.

It is a grand experiment we will all get to view. Will get to check out the freshmen too.

 

[glv98]

Yep, hopefully we can yield enough out of the NEW bunch that have instincts that most of last years class did not have. Don’t think instincts are learned.

Guessing they looked for ladies that exhibited some specific traits from the portal at their previous stops. You can see reaction time and reflexive twitch on tape. You can live with a little less raw athleticism with a lot more savy if you have a bench pretty full. Getting to the wrong spot faster is not an asset. We saw a lot of that last year. Gamers with ENOUGH speed can execute as a team on the defensive end. Lot of points on the other end on those tapes.

It is a grand experiment we will all get to view. Will get to check out the freshmen too.

All of this is still based on the premise that if only WE do what we do at the highest level, everything will be fine. I understand that CKC is absolutely steeped and baptized in this belief, along with the belief that hard work and effort are separators in the SEC.

But that's not historically been the case with this system. In fact, the first reason listed that it's never caught on is that ball handling skills and coaching bypassed even well run traps long ago. Especially when the trapping team is not substantially superior in talent to the opposition.

It will be an interesting experiment for sure.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Agree. Anything over 500 in the SEC would be an accomplishment.

Also, at the three year mark that puts the program exactly back where Kim found it. Mid Pack SEC (higher finishes under KJH but adjusted for an "easier" SEC) and possible Sweet Sixteen. No measurable progress If that's the outcome.

Given everything that's happened, maybe Getting back to square one is an accomplishment. But I think we had hoped for more by this point

II think a determining factor this season may be health. We'll need everyone to recover promptly and properly.

Also we'll need to have found the sweet spot for offseason training. The porridge can't be too hot or too cold. That's one of the peculiarities of this system.

Please remember, in the 3 years before Kim, SC won the National Championship twice, and LSU once. TN played SC a total of 6 times, and LSU 4 times during those 3 years, (beating LSU the year they won the National Championship, and nearly winning against SC the year they went unbeaten). Neither SC nor LSU won the National Championship in the last 2 years. Not even mentioning that TN beat both OK and TX in out of conference games before Kim, TN never lost to Vanderbilt, who came into promenance after TN lost Kellie.

Playing 10 times against the eventual winners of the National Championship in the 3 years before Kim, should not be considered an “easier” schedule, because the level of competition was higher, even though there are more good teams in the SEC now, the higher finishes for Tn, 3rd, 3rd, and 4th, were against the top teams in the country at the time.

Kim did not find the TN team “midpack” when she arrived.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

I think this is the crux of the argument about "the system". Totally agree that the goal is make the trapping decisions instantaneous and instinctive. Problem is to install a new instinct, you have to remove the old one first. This is the challenge, especially when the new instinct doesn't seem to be working such as last year.

This is why Kim has said several times that her system is difficult to learn and takes several months of the season to successfully implement. It's a lot to overcome everything previously learned and replace it with something unconventional. It is definitely not instinctual at first for players to purposely create a mismatch on defense that leaves someone wide open.

Once again, this also completely leaves out the most important X factor. And that's the opposition. Especially with the better teams it's likely no matter how quick or true our instinct to execute is, the opposition's ball handling and press break plan is simply too good to not take advantage of their own long held instinct to exploit a mismatch for an easy lay up.

Cue last year. The New Instinct needs to be rewarded quickly or faith in it begins to crumble. It has to be worth it in the end. Even though everything else has changed, the eternal question for CKC remains the same. Can she make this system successful based solely on the LVs executing it better, running through the brick hall wall harder, without regard to opponents ability to adjust to it? And will she have an alternative plan when inevitably a quality opponent does adjust? We'll see!

Also, I can’t imagine how tiring it must be to go in and out of a game every 2-3 minutes. Something that’s supposed to be energy saving may be the opposite, especially mentally.

 

[madtownvol]

Agree. Anything over 500 in the SEC would be an accomplishment.

Also, at the three year mark that puts the program exactly back where Kim found it. Mid Pack SEC (higher finishes under KJH but adjusted for an "easier" SEC) and possible Sweet Sixteen. No measurable progress If that's the outcome.

Given everything that's happened, maybe Getting back to square one is an accomplishment. But I think we had hoped for more by this point

II think a determining factor this season may be health. We'll need everyone to recover promptly and properly.

Also we'll need to have found the sweet spot for offseason training. The porridge can't be too hot or too cold. That's one of the peculiarities of this system.

Under Kellie, we were an underachieving mid pack team (actually upper quartile), which was completely unacceptable for a program of the LV's stature, but under Kim, this team has a real chance to become an overachieving mid pack team, which would be amazing for a program of the LV's stature!!!!.

 

[lvocd]

Under Kellie, we were underachieving mid pack team (actually upper quartile), which was completely unacceptable for a program of the LV's stature, but under Kym, this team has a real chance to become an overachieving mid pack team, which would be amazing for a program of the LV's stature!!!!.

I can almost see the comic sarcasm dripping off this gem!

 

[glv98]

Please remember, in the 3 years before Kim, SC won the National Championship twice, and LSU once. TN played SC a total of 6 times, and LSU 4 times during those 3 years, (beating LSU the year they won the National Championship, and nearly winning against SC the year they went unbeaten). Neither SC nor LSU won the National Championship in the last 2 years. Not even mentioning that TN beat both OK and TX in out of conference games before Kim, TN never lost to Vanderbilt, who came into promenance after TN lost Kellie.

Playing 10 times against the eventual winners of the National Championship in the 3 years before Kim, should not be considered an “easier” schedule, because the level of competition was higher, even though there are more good teams in the SEC now, the higher finishes for Tn, 3rd, 3rd, and 4th, were against the top teams in the country at the time.

Kim did not find the TN team “midpack” when she arrived.

Lol, I was trying to be nice. Beginning of the season. hopeful we might somehow get back to some actual discussion. Doing my part to be fair.

I actually do think if Texas and Oklahoma had been in the league the last couple of years of KJH, the third or fourth place finish probably would’ve been fifth or six.

 

[glv98]

Also, I can’t imagine how tiring it must be to go in and out of a game every 2-3 minutes. Something that’s supposed to be energy saving may be the opposite, especially mentally.

Interestingly, there was a situation with Caitlin Clark recently where she came back from injury on a minutes restriction. The training staff decided to parse that out by having her play in 2 to 3 minute increments. She hated it, had a hissy fit over it, said she could never be successful that way because she depends on getting in the rhythm and flow of the game.

Needless to say she hasn’t played that way since

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Under Kellie, we were underachieving mid pack team (actually upper quartile), which was completely unacceptable for a program of the LV's stature, but under Kym, this team has a real chance to become an overachieving mid pack team, which would be amazing for a program of the LV's stature!!!!.

Also, it’s interesting how the narrative has changed from: she should have gotten more elite high school recruits, not gotten players from the portal, to: she should get most of her players from the portal, with only one or two high school recruits, that’s the best way. Those elite players that TN bought last year were all bad, not the Coach’s fault. Anything to justify what we have now.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Lol, I was trying to be nice. Beginning of the season. hopeful we might somehow get back to some actual discussion. Doing my part to be fair.

I actually do think if Texas and Oklahoma had been in the league the last couple of years of KJH, the third or fourth place finish probably would’ve been fifth or six.

Reminder, Kellie beat TX in 2022, and OK in 2024, in out of conference play.

 

[Rooster1]

I think this is the crux of the argument about "the system". Totally agree that the goal is make the trapping decisions instantaneous and instinctive. Problem is to install a new instinct, you have to remove the old one first. This is the challenge, especially when the new instinct doesn't seem to be working such as last year.

This is why Kim has said several times that her system is difficult to learn and takes several months of the season to successfully implement. It's a lot to overcome everything previously learned and replace it with something unconventional. It is definitely not instinctual at first for players to purposely create a mismatch on defense that leaves someone wide open.

Once again, this also completely leaves out the most important X factor. And that's the opposition. Especially with the better teams it's likely no matter how quick or true our instinct to execute is, the opposition's ball handling and press break plan is simply too good to not take advantage of their own long held instinct to exploit a mismatch for an easy lay up.

Cue last year. The New Instinct needs to be rewarded quickly or faith in it begins to crumble. It has to be worth it in the end. Even though everything else has changed, the eternal question for CKC remains the same. Can she make this system successful based solely on the LVs executing it better, running through the brick hall wall harder, without regard to opponents ability to adjust to it? And will she have an alternative plan when inevitably a quality opponent does adjust? We'll see!

I gave your post a like, agree with almost all of it if not all. The system as everyone calls it has limitations imo against top level D1 talent. It also can get more out of the talent on a team than some other systems from a W-L perspective if the team has the right kind of players. We should learn a lot more after this season about the prospects for “the system” longer term at this level. At this moment in time I think the ceiling is top third in the SEC playing that style and I believe the LV’s could do that this year, I’m expecting them to place somewhere in the 5-8 place range. I have predicted 6th. Just my opinion.

My question is would UT retain CKC after this coming season if she ends up 5th-8th in the SEC with another SEC record around .500? Three or four years ago it would have been unimaginable that UT would accept three years of that kind of mediocrity but today I am not so sure that is accurate.

 

[3stripeslegend]

Going to whip them (Ole P), Kentucky who is still Kentucky, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt. I got LSU as a toss-up at home. Texas and South Carolina will be our toughest games in conference play.
Coach Caldwell first team had Vanderbilt beat on the road before collapsing at the end with blown layups and a clear offensive foul non-call that led to Vandy winning by 1 point. Last season team, quit in the 3rd quarter.

This current team right now just has so many former Power 4 transfers that have decorated resumes and have won many games on this level. Like I said before Aaliyah Moore and Kaylene Smikle alone have led their former teams as starters and Top 1-2 options in Ws over so many Top 10-20 teams. I mean just last season Smikle dominated Kentucky. The year before she dominated Duke, Iowa, Ohio State, and Alabama. Basically put up a 20 piece against South Carolina.
In Coach Caldwell words, “IYKYK!”

Civil can’t shoot worth a sh**, Cooper may be
sulking and quit by Jan 3. And it’s in Knoxvegas. I think we whip em.

 

[all_volz]

Also, it’s interesting how the narrative has changed from: she should have gotten more elite high school recruits, not gotten players from the portal, to: she should get most of her players from the portal, with only one or two high school recruits, that’s the best way. Those elite players that TN bought last year were all bad, not the Coach’s fault. Anything to justify what we have now.

Well recruiting and playing as many freshman as we did was always going to be boom or bust, especially in the SEC.

 

[3stripeslegend]

Saying stuff like this proves one or the other, either you don’t know much about basketball or you simply have an issue with a coach that for atleast another season until we see the final results is the CEO of Lady Vols basketball. And I believe she’ll bounce back as a coach and be here for years to come.
Who cares about what ranking a player had in HS once they play their first college game(s) and prove them aren’t ready or won’t ever live up to the hype (expectations)?
Did it matter what ranking Strack, Morrow, Pierre, Crooks, etc had coming out of HS?
And who in their right mind would assume just because of those HS rankings what we had last season is a roster of better basketball players (which we now know is false) and will ever accomplish anything close to what several of the current players have in college at a Power 4 school?
How many of last years roster will end up in the WNBA? It surely seems early projections have Kaylene Smikle heading to the W. How many will average 18 ppg in college? Smikle has done it twice already. Aaliyah Moore a two year starter in the SEC at Texas as a sophomore and junior and again not a single player last season or before could attest to being as good as her when she’s healthy. Three other players that started games or were starters from the SEC in Craft, Theuerkauf, and Coulibaly. Two former Big East FPOY players in Jada Eads and Kennedy Flauntleroy. Say what you want about the conference but if UCONN as we know recruits the best HS players year in and year out, and two on this current roster won FPOY in the Big East then you know they have TALENT!
Stop acting like these players haven’t had success or atleast huge moments already in college to perhaps be apart of a special season at Tennessee .
Plus the incoming freshmen class that have already stacked up impressive accolades and are mature. That’s one thing Tennessee has been missing mature minded players that are talented but coachable.
You don’t have to agree with Coach Caldwell or even support the players but acting like they aren’t built for Tennessee or the highest level of WBB is a joke.

Anything to justify what we have now.

 

[RetroVol]

The only way to know if this team really is way more special in every way than last year’s team is to watch how they handle and adjust to any instances that might arise of the opponent getting back-to-back-to back wide open layups on them even if they all know they’ve hustled and defended to the best of their abilities but it still doesn't stop the opponent from making them look bad — or, as lots of fans last year said, like “they just don’t care.”

Hopefully this team has a level of quickness and tenacity that rivals even the greatest teams in history, ‘cause they’re going to have to have that to stop well coached teams from exploiting the fact that three men trapping one or two of their players on one end of the court usually means that the opponent has unguarded players down court.

We’ll know a lot more after we see if they get easily scored on despite having just busted their butts following the defensive plan.

Good to see that hyperbole still lives!! Oh, wait, this is the Internet...

 

[Rooster1]

Saying stuff like this proves one or the other, either you don’t know much about basketball or you simply have an issue with a coach that for atleast another season until we see the final results is the CEO of Lady Vols basketball. And I believe she’ll bounce back as a coach and be here for years to come.
Who cares about what ranking a player had in HS once they play their first college game(s) and prove them aren’t ready or won’t ever live up to the hype (expectations)?
Did it matter what ranking Strack, Morrow, Pierre, Crooks, etc had coming out of HS?
And who in their right mind would assume just because of those HS rankings what we had last season is a roster of better basketball players (which we now know is false) and will ever accomplish anything close to what several of the current players have in college at a Power 4 school?
How many of last years roster will end up in the WNBA? It surely seems early projections have Kaylene Smikle heading to the W. How many will average 18 ppg in college? Smikle has done it twice already. Aaliyah Moore a two year starter in the SEC at Texas as a sophomore and junior and again not a single player last season or before could attest to being as good as her when she’s healthy. Three other players that started games or were starters from the SEC in Craft, Theuerkauf, and Coulibaly. Two former Big East FPOY players in Jada Eads and Kennedy Flauntleroy. Say what you want about the conference but if UCONN as we know recruits the best HS players year in and year out, and two on this current roster won FPOY in the Big East then you know they have TALENT!
Stop acting like these players haven’t had success or atleast huge moments already in college to perhaps be apart of a special season at Tennessee .
Plus the incoming freshmen class that have already stacked up impressive accolades and are mature. That’s one thing Tennessee has been missing mature minded players that are talented but coachable.
You don’t have to agree with Coach Caldwell or even support the players but acting like they aren’t built for Tennessee or the highest level of WBB is a joke.

Knox, this time last year you predicted the incoming players were elite. You went on and on about the incoming and returning talent. If memory serves me right, you were predicting a top three finish in the SEC (I’ll go back and verify with the receipts). Maybe prognostication isn’t your thing Knox. Either way, no worries. I’m hoping for a big bounce back season from the LV’s, I like this roster, not that I am any good as a prognosticator either btw.

 

[glv98]

Knox, this time last year you predicted the incoming players were elite. You went on and on about the incoming and returning talent. If memory serves me right, you were predicting a top three finish in the SEC (I’ll go back and verify with the receipts). Maybe prognostication isn’t your thing Knox. Either way, no worries. I’m hoping for a big bounce back season from the LV’s, I like this roster, not that I am any good as a prognosticator either btw.

He’s been all the way around the world and back since then. Remember late in the season last year one of his personas was really down on the system, the coach and the program. Now he’s an acolyte.

Consistency doesn’t seem to be his thing either