Sounds like QD is going to transfer

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Tman44 said:
I truly feel for all three that played this year. They didn't have a chance in hell to succeed due to the gross incompetence of Jones and Company. Who knows what they can do with player development and a good game plan.
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Not to mention the OL and WR issues. They really didn’t have a chance.
 
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Not trying to pick on QD, but at this point what school does he think he can walk in and have a better shot at winning the starting spot than UT. Unless he is talking about a FCS school, I don't know where he walks in and has the starting job locked up day 1.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Palmer allows his man to get in front of him on a goal line slant. That's a one step drop and throw. That INT goes to QD, but he's not at fault for it.

Callaway runs a route 3 yards short (he admitted it after the game) causing him to bobble the ball to the defense and its a pick 6 to Florida. INT goes to QD, but he's not at fault for it.

Palmer bobbles a fade that hit him in the hands vs UGA and it goes right to the DB. INT goes to QD, but he's not at fault for it.


Context. Hell consider this, QD was one dropped pass away from starting the season 4-0.

For all the "But but but QD throws into multiple coverage" folks, QD only had 3 picks that were on him. That isn't a lot considering he was only throwing to people who were triple covered according to some on here.

There isn't a big gap, if any, between QD or JG. Different skill sets, but there isn't a definitively better QB on our roster over the other 2. All are pretty much equals.

The assassination of QD on this board by some rivals that of Peterman. It is really amazing.
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In the short few months I've been a member of this board I've come to realize that there is a ton of amazing thought processes that go on here.

If ever someone wished to study group think and pack dog mentality, VN is a perfect Petri dish.

It never ceases to amaze me at some of the things said on here about guys who are all orange and about men who have given far more for this program than the couch dwelling posters her ever have or will.

But I suppose that's simply the world we live in where people who have done nothing but buy a ticket on occasion demand to get their way. As Metallica sang...sad but true
 
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QD looked like a kid who was forced to play ball for his dad most of his life. I'm not denying that he has some extremely undeveloped skills but he just never looked like he was having fun, had no leadership skills and just seemed disinterested. JG has some flaws but things that can be fixed with good coaching. He also has intangibles that can't be taught. He showed immaturity at times (he was after all a RS Freshman getting his first action behind the worst O-line I've ever seen)but he also showed her cares about winning and that he can be a leader and that sometimes it's better to take a sack than just throw it up for grabs like QD did often. Not sure what everyone else was watching but to me JG clearly has more upside and talent.
 
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HessHallHeath said:
QD looked like a kid who was forced to play ball for his dad most of his life. I'm not denying that he has some extremely undeveloped skills but he just never looked like he was having fun, had no leadership skills and just seemed disinterested. JG has some flaws but things that can be fixed with good coaching. He also has intangibles that can't be taught. He showed immaturity at times (he was after all a RS Freshman getting his first action behind the worst O-line I've ever seen)but he also showed her cares about winning and that he can be a leader and that sometimes it's better to take a sack than just throw it up for grabs like QD did often. Not sure what everyone else was watching but to me JG clearly has more upside and talent.
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Fair opinion!
 
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If Dormady is 100% I find it unlikely he transfers as the new OC seems to want a pro style offense and can develop qbs.
 
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cd12 said:
I said for right now. We currently have McBride and JG. JG isnt the long term answer either but JG's me first mentality and daddy's meddling doesn't leave me all that comfortable with him. But somebody has got to play the position.
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Not sure how anyone can say JG isn't the long term answer yet. He may or may not be. With the right coaching he could live up to his ranking and hype. As Vol fans we learned with Crompton and Ainge what a coaching change and good QB Coach can do for a player. They both looked like different QB's under Lane and Cut.Many times that's all it takes. And let's face it Canales wasn't exactly considered a good QB Coach or was ever a QB coach at a high profile job. There's a reason he was at Utah St before he got here and the best he could get was the UTEP Coordinator. Our QB's will get good coaching now and will see how different they look now. If they still play poorly then we have our answer on their future potential. But no way is it fair to judge off last season. I can guarantee you there won't be any daddy meddling under Pruitt. Butch and JG's dad were really close but don't believe there was much or any meddling from him. Outside of the GA Tech Game I never saw a me first attitude either. I think that was art immaturity, part wanting to be playing and wasn't used to not being the man and Butch telling him he would play and didn't. Even before the game Butch said both would play so I guarantee he told JG he would definitely get in the game. None of those I hold against him. If it had continued then maybe but he never showed that again.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
If Dormady is 100% I find it unlikely he transfers as the new OC seems to want a pro style offense and can develop qbs.
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I can't see him staying. He was treated horribly by the fans and even the media last season and not sure he wants to go through that again. Then throw in Butch being gone he may want a fresh start somewhere else. If he's not healthy to compete in the spring he will fall even further behind in a totally new and different system. Then the X factor could be if JP brings in a grad transfer who becomes the #1 during the spring. Truth is we have no idea who will be on the QB roster by April and the difference real coaching has on them. It wouldn't shock me if QD leaves and we get a grad transfer to at the very least add depth. And even potentially be seen as the potential starter this year. Will be a fun offseason and spring no matter what.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
In the short few months I've been a member of this board I've come to realize that there is a ton of amazing thought processes that go on here.

If ever someone wished to study group think and pack dog mentality, VN is a perfect Petri dish.

It never ceases to amaze me at some of the things said on here about guys who are all orange and about men who have given far more for this program than the couch dwelling posters her ever have or will.

But I suppose that's simply the world we live in where people who have done nothing but buy a ticket on occasion demand to get their way. As Metallica sang...sad but true
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I agree. Maybe we should have a designation for posters who have actually competed, sweated and bled for UT. Like a badge next to their name lol I’m halfway serious...
 
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HessHallHeath said:
QD looked like a kid who was forced to play ball for his dad most of his life. I'm not denying that he has some extremely undeveloped skills but he just never looked like he was having fun, had no leadership skills and just seemed disinterested. JG has some flaws but things that can be fixed with good coaching. He also has intangibles that can't be taught. He showed immaturity at times (he was after all a RS Freshman getting his first action behind the worst O-line I've ever seen)but he also showed her cares about winning and that he can be a leader and that sometimes it's better to take a sack than just throw it up for grabs like QD did often. Not sure what everyone else was watching but to me JG clearly has more upside and talent.
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He looked like a qb running a damn spread zone read system with no adjustments made considering he couldn’t run. He played offense for a coach who chose Hurd over Kamara. He looked like Worley trying to run this system.
 
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HessHallHeath said:
QD looked like a kid who was forced to play ball for his dad most of his life. I'm not denying that he has some extremely undeveloped skills but he just never looked like he was having fun, had no leadership skills and just seemed disinterested. JG has some flaws but things that can be fixed with good coaching. He also has intangibles that can't be taught. He showed immaturity at times (he was after all a RS Freshman getting his first action behind the worst O-line I've ever seen)but he also showed her cares about winning and that he can be a leader and that sometimes it's better to take a sack than just throw it up for grabs like QD did often. Not sure what everyone else was watching but to me JG clearly has more upside and talent.
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If you could place McBrides persona into JG or QD, we'd be set. Hopefully the game slows for one of our more talented signal callers, but as others have pointed out, what we really need offensively is a solution to our line play. Hard for any QB to be steady in a pocket that gives him a second and a half on most passing plays. I don't believe we hire miracle workers so the solutions, IMO, come when we turn this roster over and get better players. 6-6.
 
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Keyser Soze said:
Not trying to pick on QD, but at this point what school does he think he can walk in and have a better shot at winning the starting spot than UT. Unless he is talking about a FCS school, I don't know where he walks in and has the starting job locked up day 1.
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He still has a redshirt year. He could sit out, learn the system. Or, some have said he's on track to graduate early.
 
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sjt18 said:
McBride has probably played his last football at UT. He was a marginal signee even in the old system. He doesn't have the arm talent that either of the others have or that Shrout has. Helton's system is unlikely to emphasize a QB's running ability.
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Agreed. He either needs to be deeply buried on the depth chart or be processed out of the program imho. No offense to the kid, it just is what it is. He could probably be successful in the MAC or Big East or Mountain West, but not the SEC. We need top talent here and should stop settling for marginal players that programs like Utah State, New Mexico and Bowling Green are recruiting imo.

Like Pruitt said recently, if we aren’t recruiting the same players that Alabama, Georgia, FSU and Ohio State are also recruiting, we’re probably recruiting the wrong guys.
 
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CAVPUT said:
If you could place McBrides persona into JG or QD, we'd be set. Hopefully the game slows for one of our more talented signal callers, but as others have pointed out, what we really need offensively is a solution to our line play. Hard for any QB to be steady in a pocket that gives him a second and a half on most passing plays. I don't believe we hire miracle workers so the solutions, IMO, come when we turn this roster over and get better players. 6-6.
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I personally like JGs persona....physically tough as nails and displays outstanding, fiery leadership skills. I don’t believe his persona is the issue....it’s his pocket awareness and ability to process what he sees and go somewhere quickly with the ball, even if it means throwing the ball away so he doesn’t take a myriad of unnecessary sacks....and all that can be easily coached into him with a competent D1 QB coach, something he hasn’t yet been exposed to. The kid has outstanding arm strength and accuracy throwing the ball and is decent enough with his feet to have good success here imho.
 
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KBVol said:
I personally like JGs persona....physically tough as nails and displays outstanding, fiery leadership skills. I don’t believe his persona is the issue....it’s his pocket awareness and ability to process what he sees and go somewhere quickly with the ball, even if it means throwing the ball away so he doesn’t take a myriad of unnecessary sacks....and all that can be easily coached into him with a competent D1 QB coach, something he hasn’t yet been exposed to. The kid has outstanding arm strength and accuracy throwing the ball and is decent enough with his feet to have good success here imho.
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Agree 100%! Every negative attribute about JG is fixable with time in the film room and working with a competent QB coach. A lot of it will come with experience as well and the game slowing down for him.

Some of QD's are fixable with coaching but a lot of them are lying squarely between his shoulders. The kid plays with a ton of fear even when he had a clean pocket and days worth of time there was still a ton of fear which broke down every bit of coaching he had received.

To me the decision on the two is so easy that I can't believe people even argue about it. Who are you going to choose: 1.) The kid who needs to make quicker reads which you can coach out and he has potentially 3 more years to coach this out or 2.) The kid who has a fear which you may or may not be able to figure out and oh yeah you only have 1 year to work with him?

It's pretty obvious I should go with number 1.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Agree 100%! Every negative attribute about JG is fixable with time in the film room and working with a competent QB coach. A lot of it will come with experience as well and the game slowing down for him.

Some of QD's are fixable with coaching but a lot of them are lying squarely between his shoulders. The kid plays with a ton of fear even when he had a clean pocket and days worth of time there was still a ton of fear which broke down every bit of coaching he had received.

To me the decision on the two is so easy that I can't believe people even argue about it. Who are you going to choose: 1.) The kid who needs to make quicker reads which you can coach out and he has potentially 3 more years to coach this out or 2.) The kid who has a fear which you may or may not be able to figure out and oh yeah you only have 1 year to work with him?

It's pretty obvious I should go with number 1.
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And how many college QB's have you coached? In all honesty, that looks good on paper. However, football coaching isn't done on paper.

By your logic, Tennessee in Kiffin's only year should have cut Crompton because he was as you say "a kid that has a fear which you may or may not be able to figure out and oh yeah you only have 1 year to work with him" and started Nick Stephens for 2008.

Coach Pruitt said all 22 starting positions were open. I doubt remaining years of eligibility are going to factor into who gets a shot at starting.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And how many college QB's have you coached? In all honesty, that looks good on paper. However, football coaching isn't done on paper.

By your logic, Tennessee in Kiffin's only year should have cut Crompton because he was as you say "a kid that has a fear which you may or may not be able to figure out and oh yeah you only have 1 year to work with him" and started Nick Stephens for 2008.

Coach Pruitt said all 22 starting positions were open. I doubt remaining years of eligibility are going to factor into who gets a shot at starting.
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I know the common theme is to use Crompton as an example for how a QB can improve with a different system/coaching. The major difference between Crompton and Dormady is that Crompton's issues were coachable. In Crompton's third year there was a significant change in offensive scheme from a Cutcliffe pro-style offense to the spread Clawfense. Going from the pro-style to spread is a tough transition and it requires different types of athletes to be successful. You take an offense that requires a different style of athlete along with new terminology and you don't have a recipe for success. This was more of a reason for the downfall of Crompton vs. mechanical/fear issues. Crompton from what I remember stood in the pocket well and kept good consistent footwork/mechanics. His issues were making the reads within the offense which is actually more like the issues Guarantano had vs. the issues that Dormady had.

Dormady this past season was going into his third year within the same system. Different coordinator but same system with the same terminology he should have had command of the offense unlike Crompton in 2008. Dormady's fear issues have been there the whole time going back to his Freshman season go back and watch his play in the Northwestern game he has the exact same issues today. Also go watch some of the practice clips from this past offseason: Dormady was practicing footwork drills and was very proficient at it. Where does it go when the rush is on the way? If a new coach comes in and coaches new things/concepts is it going to stick or go out the door when someone is coming at you?

We have had 3 years of evidence to see that Dormady's issues are not problems that can be coached out of him. Crompton's issues were coachable and we saw the difference it made with a new staff, Guaranto's issues are coachable, Dormady's are not coachable. I hope the switch comes on for him and I know the coaches are going to give him a chance if he stays but the evidence points to him being a #2 at best.
 
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