Sometimes People Suck

#76
#76
cotton said:
I really don't know enough about the individuals to say. Assuming that the harm is limited to some bumps and bruises, inconvenience, and a tramatic experience, I would think an appropriate award should be far less than $100k. The theory behind the award should be that the injured party's life has been negatively affected by a certain amount, and the party responsible for the injury should compensate him in an amount that would raise that life back to where it would have been had the harm not occurred.

If there is a major problem with our system, it lies somewhere in the amounts awarded. Juries often overcompensate for the harm done, particularly when it involves faceless corporations, or worse, their insurance companies. The problem is compounded by defendants that settle for amounts that are too high because of the risk of having a large judgement and the expense of defending the suit.
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The injured parties lives were saved... not inconvenienced. Would you trade your life for $100,000? A million?
 
#77
#77
Rasputin_Vol said:
The injured parties lives were saved... not inconvenienced. Would you trade your life for $100,000? A million?
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If you can't come up with an argument that makes any more sense than that, I would appreciate it if you would crawl back out of the discussion. If I hit you with a brick, then give you CPR and keep you from dying, I still hit you with a brick.
 
#79
#79
I absolutely agree that this egregious pandering is nothing more than people trying to capitolize on an unforseeable accident.

IF the aircraft had hit a bird that caused damage to the aircraft because it was structurally weak from a lack of maintainence, there should be a case. That is not my interpretation of what happened, however.

Those people should be thanking the pilot for making by far the best of a bad situation and be thankful to be alive, not trying to rip off the airline. Absurd. If the airline industry now has to be liable for a flock of birds, then the insurance companies are licking their chops.

I say sue the city for not properly cordoning off an area for the birds to roost. Possibly find a way to sue PETA or the ASPCA for not tracking them down and clipping their wings so they can't fly. Of course ASPCA will countersue for animal cruelty. While we're at it... let's sue GE for not making a good enough engine. I mean... how hard can it be to make an engine that can survive being hit by a bird. Throw in Airbus for not making a plane that can lose both engines and not be able to remain airborne for 3 hours. Does Airbus not care that these people's trips were delayed? Cold French people. SUE FRANCE.
 
#80
#80
cotton said:
If you can't come up with an argument that makes any more sense than that, I would appreciate it if you would crawl back out of the discussion. If I hit you with a brick, then give you CPR and keep you from dying, I still hit you with a brick.
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How can you compare getting hit with a brick in the head to getting your feet a little wet in the Hudson River?
 
#82
#82
cotton said:
If you can't come up with an argument that makes any more sense than that, I would appreciate it if you would crawl back out of the discussion. If I hit you with a brick, then give you CPR and keep you from dying, I still hit you with a brick.
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What about the fact that this forced landing was the result of an impact with a flock of birds that wasn't foreseen? If there was engine failure or pilot negligence that resulted in the "crash" I could see how the case would be made against the airline.
 
#83
#83
KB5252 said:
What about the fact that this forced landing was the result of an impact with a flock of birds that wasn't foreseen? If there was engine failure or pilot negligence that resulted in the "crash" I could see how the case would be made against the airline.
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One could also argue the airline by definition advertises themselves as experts of travel. While the piliot and his training acted in a brave and exemplary manner...the airline failed to deliver advertised services.
 
#84
#84
KB5252 said:
What about the fact that this forced landing was the result of an impact with a flock of birds that wasn't foreseen? If there was engine failure or pilot negligence that resulted in the "crash" I could see how the case would be made against the airline.
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They should sue Mother Nature/God/Gaia for allowing those birds to be a hazard. Then sue the Wright Brothers for creating a vehicle that put passengers at risk... and Isaac Newton for "inventing" gravity. :crazy:
 
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#85
dan4vols said:
One could also argue the airline by definition advertises themselves as experts of travel. While the piliot and his training acted in a brave and exemplary manner...the airline failed to deliver advertised services.
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The experts of travel argument is weak. All passengers know that travel on a bus, airline or what have you does come with some risk. All any airline can do is try to mitigate that risk to the best of their ability. There was nothing that this airline could have done to avoid the random act of water foul flying in their path and striking them. Had they been negligent in any way it would be a different story.
 
#86
#86
dan4vols said:
One could also argue the airline by definition advertises themselves as experts of travel. While the piliot and his training acted in a brave and exemplary manner...the airline failed to deliver advertised services.
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When the plane struck the flock it was at ~3000 feet and going roughly 240MPH... less than 90 seconds after taking off.

What should they have done? Rational answer, if possible.
 
#88
#88
KB5252 said:
The experts of travel argument is weak. All passengers know that travel on a bus, airline or what have you does come with some risk. All any airline can do is try to mitigate that risk to the best of their ability. There was nothing that this airline could have done to avoid the random act of water foul flying in their path and striking them. Had they been negligent in any way it would be a different story.
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Well, then, I'm sueing Firestone because my tire got a flat because it ran over a nail.


Farking idiots at Firestone. Tires should be made of steel so they don't go flat. Don't they know that?
 
#90
#90
DC Vol said:
When the plane struck the flock it was at ~3000 feet and going roughly 240MPH... less than 90 seconds after taking off.

What should they have done? Rational answer, if possible.
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Let this rational answer be your comfort. The next time your on an airline and you see geese out the window then in a flash see Mike Dubose in a devil suit and it's hot...comfort yourself knowing.....you were right and no one made any money on your death, but your best friend married your wife, insists she always wear black stockings to bed, and he enjoys your insurance money.
 
#91
#91
dan4vols said:
Let this rational answer be your comfort. The next time your on an airline and you see geese out the window then in a flash see Mike Dubose in a devil suit and it's hot...comfort yourself knowing.....you were right and no one made any money on your death, but your best friend married your wife, insists she always wear black stockings to bed, and he enjoys your insurance money.
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you failed.
 
#92
#92
dan4vols said:
Let this rational answer be your comfort. The next time your on an airline and you see geese out the window then in a flash see Mike Dubose in a devil suit and it's hot...comfort yourself knowing.....you were right and no one made any money on your death, but your best friend married your wife, insists she always wear black stockings to bed, and he enjoys your insurance money.
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If planes had to be delayed because a few geese were flying around...:blink: :crazy: :unsure:
 
#93
#93
Rasputin_Vol said:
If planes had to be delayed because a few geese were flying around...:blink: :crazy: :unsure:
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No, but just pretend that passenger airliners have the same flight dynamics as fighter jets, and everything will be okay.


Geese evade!
 
#95
#95
Rasputin_Vol said:
How can you compare getting hit with a brick in the head to getting your feet a little wet in the Hudson River?
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well, if a goose picked up the brick from a trash heap and flew 40 miles with it to hit you upon the head with it, you'd need someone to sue besides the goose. There is clearly a common thread here.

You were wronged and deserve some money.
 
#97
#97
BigPapaVol said:
well, if a goose picked up the brick from a trash heap and flew 40 miles with it to hit you upon the head with it, you'd need someone to sue besides the goose. There is clearly a common thread here.

You were wronged and deserve some money.
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Well, obviously the purveyor of said trash heap didn't secure it properly.
 
#99
#99
cotton said:
You are driving with a passenger and approach an intersection that is being directed by a traffic cop. The cop waves you through, just as he did with the cars in front of you and is preparing to do with the car behind you. In the middle, a previously unseen deer jumps from the woods and into the path of your car. You hit it and careen into the ditch, injuring your passenger. What liability does the municipality that employs the officer have to your passenger?

You are going to be liable for your passenger's injuries, not the city. You are going to have to pay for his medical bills and his pain and suffering and his time off of work and any other harm he suffered. In that case, nobody did anything wrong , yet, given that you are the driver of the car, you are the guy that is liable when it crashes.
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In this scenario, shouldn't the pilot be the one held liable? Isn't he the man holding the steering wheel flying the plane into the geese?

While it is the majority's opinion, lawyers not withstanding, that all involved should fall at the pilot's feet and be thankful they are alive, some will always feel they are entitled to more. It's the "American" way.

And back to the scenario above, if my friend tried to hold me liable for a deer coming out of nowhere and injuring him while in my car, I would be in jail for more than failing to pay him for anything.
 
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