Some thoughts on what has transpired....

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#76
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just know that if some of the things that happened in Gibbs in the '90s came out in the open back then, there's not telling where we might have been as a football team then. This is a laptop, not drugs or anything crazy like that, so I guess I just don't see why they don't get the kid's laptop back to him, and deal with this internally with Cam. That could have been done here.
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I completely disagree with you here eric. I have a simple question for you here, if Cam was just a regular student at UT with this same situation, would you still think it wasnt a big deal and that he should be able to just "return" the stolen laptop and have the situation "handled internally?
 
#77
#77
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just know that if some of the things that happened in Gibbs in the '90s came out in the open back then, there's no telling where we might have been as a football team then. This is a laptop, not drugs or anything crazy like that, so I guess I just don't see why they don't get the kid's laptop back to him, and deal with this internally with Cam. That could have been done here.
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it's felony theft and the AD does not handle crimes like this "internally" (and never has)
 
#78
#78
Majors gave Hubert Simpson the boot for stealing car radios and if I remember correctly he was never charged by LE. At the time he was probably the best player on the team.
 
#79
#79
I will tell you that it is a big deal and the laws in the State of Tennessee agree. If I am the parent of the kid whos laptop was stolen, I would want him prosecuted, not just slapped on the wrist and made to run extra wind sprints at practice.
 
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Cartervol said:
It's a serious charge. If he's proven guilty he's probably gone. You really can't handle that internally. That was going to get out one way or the other. Sad that maybe another player has made a potentially bad decision cost him a shot at playing big time football. Seems to happen a whole lot these days.
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The other player in question was a baseball player that reported the laptop stolen. The laptop was then used on a UT system and popped as stolen. The IT dept called the cops, not the baseball player.
 
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bigdaddy said:
The other player in question was a baseball player that reported the laptop stolen. The laptop was then used on a UT system and popped as stolen. The IT dept called the cops, not the baseball player.
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read that wrong. my bad Carter
 
#83
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bigdaddy said:
The other player in question was a baseball player that reported the laptop stolen. The laptop was then used on a UT system and popped as stolen. The IT dept called the cops, not the baseball player.
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Not to mention reporting your laptop stolen doesn't really sound like a bad decision.

Stealing a laptop sounds like a bad decision. Cam has no one here to blame but himself.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I completely disagree with you here eric. I have a simple question for you here, if Cam was just a regular student at UT with this same situation, would you still think it wasnt a big deal and that he should be able to just "return" the stolen laptop and have the situation "handled internally?
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Maybe the initial report didn't state..."if said property is found in the hands of a UT football player the complainant advises to return said property and no prosecution is warranted".
 
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bigdaddy said:
The other player in question was a baseball player that reported the laptop stolen. The laptop was then used on a UT system and popped as stolen. The IT dept called the cops, not the baseball player.
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Yeah that was the rather stupid part.
 
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volinexile17 said:
Not to mention reporting your laptop stolen doesn't really sound like a bad decision.

Stealing a laptop sounds like a bad decision. Cam has no one here to blame but himself.
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I think you read Carter's post wrong as well......I had to read it a couple of times myself
 
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volinexile17 said:
Not to mention reporting your laptop stolen doesn't really sound like a bad decision.

Stealing a laptop sounds like a bad decision. Cam has no one here to blame but himself.
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I read that quote wrong, I think Carter was talking about Cam making a bad decision as "another player" and not a separate player making a bad decision.
 
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Cartervol said:
I was just quoting Eric on the handling it internally part. Felony theft can't be handled that way, it's going to get out.
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In todays world chances are some other student nearby caught the incident on video or at least snapped a few pics from a cellphone.
 
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cd12 said:
In todays world chances are some other student nearby caught the incident on video or at least snapped a few pics from a cellphone.
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No doubt. It's the age of instant info at your finger tips. 80's , 90's it was much easier to sweep things under the rug. You just can't do that these days.
 
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#94
g8terh8ter_eric said:
There are ways to handle things like this, especially when it involves UT athletics in Knoxville, but it's obvious that a little discretion is almost impossible for some of today's law enforcement to use.
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Their private lives and all is kept from the public, but when you break the law, word gets out, no matter who you are. Check the Sheriff's crime log, etc. If the police cover it up, then it could be said that the athletes received preferential treatment, and the program will get slammed by the NCAA. Sheesh, the kid is in trouble with the law. Don't try to downplay it. If he's found innocent, great, move on. But if not, then he's just like every other criminal in the papers.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It is ridiculous to make this kid out to be something terrible, especially given the fact that it's a freaking laptop. I can think of a lot worse things that he could have been caught doing, that would make this whole laptop thing look small in comparison.
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Sure you could. Doesn't make a difference. Stealing is low.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just know that if some of the things that happened in Gibbs in the '90s came out in the open back then, there's no telling where we might have been as a football team then. This is a laptop, not drugs or anything crazy like that, so I guess I just don't see why they don't get the kid's laptop back to him, and deal with this internally with Cam. That could have been done here.
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Didn't they deal with it internally the first go round? Or are we still acting like that never happened?
 
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#99
#99
I often agree with you but...

1- He was caught with the laptop after police found him using the wireless signal. The facts really don't seem to be in dispute on this one I'm sorry to say. The reports I have read that cited the charges leave very little wiggle room.

2- The tolerance is lower than it was before... and athletes shouldn't get special treatment period. The relationship with the police didn't cause this problem.

3- If it becomes possession then he could plea it down and possibly convince Dooley and UT that he truly didn't know. If he was in any way involved in the theft or knew it was stolen then he needs to be gone regardless of what happens legally.

4-If he did this then a statement needs to be made. He will be great somewhere else just like many others have done. UT cannot afford to look weak on this one.

5- If I am Cam's teammate then I am royally ticked off at him for being so stupid and creating an unneeded distraction while we're trying to turn our ship around. I am just as mad that he stupidly jeopardized his eligibility. The team needed him and he let them down.

6- This hurts recruiting if it lingers. The only immediate way to end it is to dismiss him. If the facts show conclusively he did it then DD should dismiss him before he's tried.
 
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#100
#100
If Clear is guilty then he's a thief and I wouldn't want him, but CDD just signed Bonner after his guilt of theft on the premise of giving a second chance. As much as I'd hate it seems to me in fairness Clear should be awarded the same second shot.
 
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