Some SEC Coaches See Flaws in UT

#51
#51
fade route said:
Disagree a little bit with you. I think it is a make or break year for Butch. We lose so much after this year from a player standpoint and we are catching Florida at their weakest. This is the year to get it done because we will probably take a step back next year.
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O line should be very stout in 2017. WRs are young and Dormady, Jones, or JG all have very good to great arms. RB Kelly should be a very good back. Still have TEs that should get better.
D line will still be loaded in 2017. Kirkland at LB and loads of talent in the DBs. I see more of a reload than rebuild in 2017.
 
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#52
#52
Okay, let's give it a bit of a reality check.

[WITH THE MICROPHONE ON] Every Coach in the SEC: "Well, I think _________ is a really fine program, with no obvious faults, they're a tough, tough competitor, and we're gonna have to be at the top of our game when we meet up with them."

[WITH THE MICROPHONE OFF, ANONYMITY ASSURED] Every Coach in the SEC: "Well, I think _________ is just a questionable program, I certainly would not want my son going there if I were a high school junior or senior's parent. They have those off-field problems, and that problem with their offense, and those questions on their defense, and how long do you think their head coach is going to continue to be there, anyway? (This is going out to media that SEC recruits and their parents are likely to see, right?)"


Point being, there's always an angle (or several), and they all play them. Whether anonymous or not, these kinds of polls are always just for the amusement factor. No reason to bother trying to gather any insight from them.
 
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#53
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VFL-82-JP said:
Okay, let's give it a bit of a reality check.

[WITH THE MICROPHONE ON] Every Coach in the SEC: "Well, I think _________ is a really fine program, with no obvious faults, they're a tough, tough competitor, and we're gonna have to be at the top of our game when we meet up with them."

[WITH THE MICROPHONE OFF, ANONYMITY ASSURED] Every Coach in the SEC: "Well, I think _________ is just a questionable program, I certainly would not want my son going there if I were a high school junior or senior's parent. They have those off-field problems, and that problem with their offense, and those questions on their defense, and how long do you think their head coach is going to continue to be there, anyway? (This is going out to media that SEC recruits and their parents are likely to see, right?)"


Point being, there's always an angle (or several), and they all play them. Whether anonymous or not, these kinds of polls are always just for the amusement factor. No reason to bother trying to gather any insight from them.
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Nailed it.... no coach is going to gush over another SEC rival... there's always an angle to be played and a weakness to point out...
 
#54
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TN Outlaw said:
Yea but we're Tennessee! That's just gona happen vs us.

Look, you don't base a season on 1 game and I'm sure you already know that. Look at their defensive body of work with him as the D coach. Their rankings and how they held good teams to low scores/yardage for the season. Actually they were better than their stats cuz they haven't had ANY offense to go with it the last 2 years.

Watching them the last 2 years with him as D coach, they've been good on that side of the ball. That's not really an opinion, plenty stats to back that up. Figuring in "vandy" talent with poor offense and he's done a great job IMO.
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They were 6th in the SEC in yards allowed per game which is good for them until you realize they played about as easy a schedule as you can play and still be in the SEC.
 
#55
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a vol n tears said:
O line should be very stout in 2017. WRs are young and Dormady, Jones, or JG all have very good to great arms. RB Kelly should be a very good back. Still have TEs that should get better.
D line will still be loaded in 2017. Kirkland at LB and loads of talent in the DBs. I see more of a reload than rebuild in 2017.
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I like Kelly, but I don't see Kelly even close to Kamara or Hurd....... Hurd and Kamara will certainly be hard to replace
 
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KBVol said:
No, of course not, he won't be fired. He'll just be 100% exposed. 9-4 will be an incredibly disappointing season.
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Well--it depends on when that 4th loss comes....

If we have a 9-3 season but lose a close bowl game....we still good.....disappointed, but good....

we really could go into College Station undefeated and then lose 2 back to back games wondering what in the blazes happened......and have to scrap to win out...

INJURIES....If we have injuries to our WR, DL, or LBs....we really could be looking at 9-3...

And we all better pray that Dobbs doesn't get hurt....in one of our big games--like say Fla or UGA....that would be devastating.....looking 8-4 right in the mouth again...

In any case....YES...failing to win the East this year will be a HUGE setback.....I don't think we have the talent to be a playoff team...but, barring injuries....we should finish in the top 10.....
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They were 6th in the SEC in yards allowed per game which is good for them until you realize they played about as easy a schedule as you can play and still be in the SEC.
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They still play in the SEC and have to play the same division we do and they were 6th in the SEC in yards per game and

NCAA

Vandy UT
Rush D-33 45
Pass D-41 47
Scoring D-22 16
Total D- 28 36

They just ripped off a couple of recruiting classes ranked 46th in the nation, dead last in the SEC in 2014 and 2015. On top of that their offense was also dead last in the SEC and kept their defense on the field the bulk of their games. Matter of fact there were only 4 teams in the country with worse offenses, N TX(remember them?), C FL, Missouri, and Kent St. Plus its freaking Vandy!

Masons 1st game as D coach (vs UT) you could see the immediate difference. Thats impressive to me all things considered. Thats proof to me he is a dang good D coach. Prob as good as any imo.
 
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#58
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Boca Vol said:
I don't think that's it at all. I think he means if Butch & UT can't get it done this season, when will they? This is as bad as the SEC E will be for a while. The schedule sets up "OK" for a run. Certainly having UF & Bama at home helps...theoretically.
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Disagree. We got back last yr and this year we take the next step up by winning the close games.
With Dormady or JG at QB, and talent everywhere with PW, JJ, Wolfe etc... The defense will be as good next season with KMac and Kongbo etc...

Team next year could be better due to depth and building but schedule will be tougher.

JMHO

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Tennesseeduke
 
#59
#59
I wish if they were going to make a comment they would put their name on it. All it does is cause speculation as to who said what. I don't really care what other people have to say about us to begin with because nobody knows as much about the team than who's actually associated or whoever covers them but if you're going to put something out there at least put your name on it instead of hiding behind an anonymous quote. I get you don't want to start controversy and possibly get bad media attention but if you don't want it out there then don't comment on the question.
 
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sjt18 said:
Agree. And even then I think he needs to break at least on of the streaks.
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If we hit 10 wins, it'll mean we've gotten over two of four streaks we have ongoing..

There's obviously Florida and Bama. Equally important objectively as both are SEC wins and will help us to the SECCG. Subjectively, we all know, Florida is more important.

But since 2007, we're 1-7 against regular season P5 OOC opponents and 4-10 against non-Bama SECW foes in the regular season, 4-11 if you count the 2007 SECCG, but winless since 2010.

Those other two streaks, while not as blatant as our two biggest rivals, are very important in gaining conference-wide and national prominence.

Personally, I think it's just as possible we beat VT, UF, and A&M while losing a close one at Georgia. This would not be a failure in my book, as that's even more progress than a 10-2 season where we swap the A&M and Goergia outcomes.
 
#61
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sjt18 said:
Sounds Sabanesque.

Probably a HC who was a DC.

UT's TE's had 31 of the team's 220 receptions and 418 of over 2500 yds.

Kamara had 34 receptions and Pearson had 38.

Mason?

From Athlon Sports: “Getting Cam Sutton back was huge because he’s just so good in coverage; your guy really has to make a great throw to beat him."

Absolutely true statement. My guess would be Stoops.



Wishful thinking by someone... Bielema? Muschamp?
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Just a heads up, Athlon does this every year and it's a well known fact that these statements are coming from assistant coaches and never the head coach. Normally it's someone on the team responsible for breaking down film.
 
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BearcatVol said:
Maybe the "make or break year for Butch" is spoken out of fear by the other coaches in playing the Vols.
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There's a lot of truth to that. CBJ is building something here and everyone knows it. The best they can hope for is that he fall short this year and our fanbase does something stupid. Fortunately, our powerbrokers are smarter than that and realize the job that has been done. They'll give Jones time to win with what he's built.
 
#63
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volmandu said:
Seems like everyone agrees that at wideouts we are just 'OK'. I know Butch loves to say its just not receivers and its on all offense but honestly it is very rare to see any of our receivers getting open. We have athleticism there so it has to be scheme !! Azzani is not getting it done
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If you Butch's presser Monday, you'd remember that we did not have a healthy WR group that Dobbs could rely on. If we keep Malone and Preston and Josh upright all year, those deep throws will come together.
 
#64
#64
Here's my thoughts on the season. First, if Shoop lives up to his billing, especially with the defensive talent he gets to use here, we may not need to have an all time explosive offense. Just "good enough" might do the trick. Second. I see a lot of Azzani bashing on here, and I agree that there is something wrong with or WR scene, but it seams like CBJ would have gotten rid of him already if he were that bad. I mean he got rid of Jancek and I think Jancek did a better job in his position than Azzani did in his. And then again, maybe that's why Azzani didn't get a raise along with the other assistants this offseason, could have been a message to him. But I have a hard time believing there was no one better that we could have brought in. Maybe CBJ didn't want to shake the tree too much in one offseason. And as far as our schedule goes, Georgia is breaking in a new QB and really could have two losses already by the time we play them. North Carolina, who brings back a lot of talent, and they play at Ole Miss the week before we play them. I think if we beat FL and roll into Athens undefeated and they have two losses, or even coming off of a loss to Ole Miss, we will have a mental advantage going into that game. And we know what a mental advantage can do. Just my .02
 
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jordan4vols said:
For those that don't want to go to external link

From Athlon Sports: "I don’t know with Dobbs. In my mind, he’s the one question they have offensively. He’s probably not as good as people make him out to be, but he does a solid job in their system."

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This quote about Dobbs is a joke. He makes this offense go with his mobility and decision making. He just needs to take another step in the passing game and he's one of the best in the country.
 
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a vol n tears said:
O line should be very stout in 2017. WRs are young and Dormady, Jones, or JG all have very good to great arms. RB Kelly should be a very good back. Still have TEs that should get better.
D line will still be loaded in 2017. Kirkland at LB and loads of talent in the DBs. I see more of a reload than rebuild in 2017.
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I agree the LOS will be strong and this is a LOS league. Vols will not be as overwhelming fav to win the east but they'll be in it. Florida will still lose more after this yr than the Vols and they still won't have a Qb
 
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08Vol said:
Wasn't there a quote from the coaching staff saying of the top 4 most athletic receivers 3 are freshman. If that is the case then we are just "ok" at receiver. Malone disappears in games and Williams was injured/held out of valuable training time last year and unable to really catch up. The truth is this coach was throwing shade at coach Z and our pathetic receiving numbers over the past 3 years. Also funny that we had a WR leave early for the NFL and wasn't drafted.
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I didn't see that quote any idea which coach it was and when it came out? I hope the new guys are every bit as good as we are hearing but if Malone and Williams don't show big time improvement then we need a new coach to work with the new lot.

I just don't like calling Malone and Williams "ok". Like you mentioned Williams hasn't had a real shot to show out yet. It's our entire passing game that is subpar.
 
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#71
photovol said:
I like Kelly, but I don't see Kelly even close to Kamara or Hurd....... Hurd and Kamara will certainly be hard to replace
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cam akers and ty chandler, RB's we're recruiting should be aware of the situation you speak of. either of them would be running behind what i feel is a dang good OL. should increase our chances of getting a quality back. i like kelly's potential.
 
#72
#72
jonnon111 said:
Haters gonna hate.

I think most of the negative comments sound like volnation posts during the offseason lol
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Thank you! I am looking forward to all of the good things that I will see on the field this season and not wringing my hands nor peeing my pants about what might possibly not happen.

Go Vawls!
 
#73
#73
volboy81 said:
If a HC in the SEC knows as much about UT as most of us, he's paying way too much attention to us & not enough to his own business. He'll have a short ride at his current school
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Or he gets paid $4m per year and spends 80-90 hrs a week doing his job.
 
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JettVol said:
Its not a "make or break year for Butch", You're telling that if Butch goes 9-4 again we are firing him?? Please.
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We definitely won't fire him but with what we have returning and all of the player and coach turnover in the east there is no excuse for not winning the SEC East this year. If we lose to Flor and Ala again and don't make it to the SEC Championship there will be questions about his coaching ability. He gets it done Sun to Fri but if you can't get it done on game day it won't matter. Our schedule sets up very well for us and we should win every OOC game easily. At GA and at A'M does make me nervous. There is really no reason we shouldn't go at least 10-2 and play for the SEC Championship. We absolutely have to beat UF this year. We are the much,much better team and it's in Neyland. Then throw in how many straight losses we have against SEC West teams Butch really needs to win the East or those questions will start popping up and recruiting could be affected.So it's not a make or break year but an important one for him. We are as good as anyone in the nation now it's time for Butch to show he can beat our rivals and ranked teams. I guarantee the Saban's,Meyer's and other elite coach's could win a NC with our roster. GBO
 
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