Soft culture never more evident

#27
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ptcarter said:
My opinion- could be wrong. JG is obviously going to be with us down the road. Expierence for him will be valuable later as long as he stays out of the hospital. My observation of JG vs . KC is that is seems KC has a little better peripheral vision and can anticipate the oncoming sack. How many times has JG been blindsided and fumbled? Yes he has balls for standing in there and taking hits, but is it necessary? KC seems to float around a little better and get the ball out.

On another note, ever wonder if Bama’s Tua would be a Heisman candidate if he played behind our OL?
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Compare how Hurts played to how Tua plays behind the same line with the same receivers if you want your answer. Dobbs played behind some really bad lines and still found a way to make plays and win games.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
When we held the ball and Charlotte defended, yesterday was a stalemate at best in terms of strength and size with a middling cusa team. We had a measly 10 1st downs to their 13 and net run yardage of 20 something yds. They stuffed our run game like they were Alabama's front line.

The soft culture of linemen recruited for spread finesse is a poor fit in CJP's new offense. Everybody knew that changing the culture of softness was bound to be Pruitt's biggest challenge and not yet a year into his tenure, it remains and looms as the biggest going forward.

We armchair coaches speculate on the need to win 2 of the next 3 to get bowl eligible, but I'm not sure the team itself puts a high priority on doing that. For some of them, playing these final 3 out and getting to the offseason and the holiday break may be their preference. From where the sun now sits, I don't see them sniffing a bowl and winning one of the last 3 is more probable.

Therein lies this prevailing culture of softness CJP walked into. It was always going to be tough. The progress to this point seems agonizingly slow. Want to shake things up and possibly generate some excitement heading down the stretch? Try the QB who actually was groomed to play in a pro set offense. The Cats and Mizzou are no doubt going to pin their ears back and pressure Guantanamo, cram us into a short field like Charlotte did so well but with better personnel. Show some flexibility, Pruitt. Don't be stubborn to the point of limiting your options. If Chryst isn't effective and self destructs, you can always return to your #1 QB anytime during the game. What's there to lose? I doubt most of us and certainly not the oddsmakers expect us to win anyway.
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If the chef don’t have the ingredients, then what do you expect? Serious question. Maybe if KC is what this team needs for a spark then so be it but I think issues start at the offensive line and correlates to everything else involved.
 
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Freak said:
Or spreading out the formation to try to open some running lanes. I don’t care how many blockers we have, more guys in the box is a bad thing for our run game, IMO.

And what about the sweep play to CFA? We ran it one time and gained ten yards.
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Maybe we should pull the guards more. That would help out on the edge rush and who knows maybe tire out their DL more.
 
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508mikey said:
Its not just the OL that doesnt block - take a look at that flea flicker again - Banks just ignores and runs by the guy going in to pound JG
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That's another issue, only Tim Jordan is a proficient blocking RB.

I'm hoping Carlin-Fills-Amy is also a better blocking RB. It is almost a giveaway now that when Jordan isn't at RB, it is a running play.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
If the chef don’t have the ingredients, then what do you expect? Serious question. Maybe if KC is what this team needs for a spark then so be it but I think issues start at the offensive line and correlates to everything else involved.
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Sure. We all know where the issues start, but what is the harm in finding out if a more mature QB handles the pressure somewhat better? Maybe he doesn't. But I would hate to think we close out a dismal campaign and never found out. This is beginning to take on an air of stubborn resilience and I don't even like that word anymore.
 
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southpaw75 said:
Umm, why do we keep asking why the O line stinks when Trey and Kennedy are both out?
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Good point. Worth mentioning as a fairly good excuse (but not totally) for lack of everyone being on the same page, and all the penalties. I don't think Drew Richmond gets a pass though; he's been there long enough to know. I think the lack of Trey Smith being in at the SC game could have cost us that game. I mean... it was a 3 point victory. Wouldn't have taken much to flip that the other way.
 
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I know they started over with S&C, but I am shocked at the look of some of the OL that have been here a few years
 
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Freak said:
My question after yesterday is this: if this line isn't suited for a power run game, why do we insist on trying to force it on them?
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Great question and it speaks to the possibility that a different coach could have walked in and had more success in his first year by being adaptive and using the players in whatever way is most likely to result in wins instead of banging square pegs into round holes. Maybe CJP and his staff don't know how to coach different systems, which is a sobering and somewhat disturbing thought? The alternative is that CJP and staff can coach other systems but are bound and determined to live or die by power I offense and a 3-4 defensive front and are willing to take some extra losses and miss a bowl game this year. I'm not sure that I really like either of those scenarios.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
Sure. We all know where the issues start, but what is the harm in finding out if a more mature QB handles the pressure somewhat better? Maybe he doesn't. But I would hate to think we close out a dismal campaign and never found out. This is beginning to take on an air of stubborn resilience and I don't even like that word anymore.
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Like I said if KC is what this teams needs I’m all for it but once he’s gone then what?
 
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Been busy today with film work, it seems like I may have found something important, I am thinking the O-line is not blocking well.

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I just think it you bench JG, who has played well despite a crappy oline, you may ruin his confidence. Say what you want, but the kid plays with confidence (one of the few on our team) and despite a terrible oline he has stood and taken hits and still made huge pass completions all year long. I really don’t know what more you want from the guy. He hasn’t turned the ball over, only 2 ints all year long. He has been money on third down more times than not. I think people see the limited amount of playing time Chryst has against Bama and just jump to conclusions. Yes he played well, but from what I understand that’s an anomaly. By the sounds of it he’s woefully inconsistent in practice.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes, there are going to be growing pains with such a radical change in offensive philosophy. The "soft culture" was the finesse system that Butch Jones had implemented. Pruitt is trying to force a square peg into a round hole but it's for the benefit of recruiting (let's show Wanya Morriss and Darnell Wright and high school RB's the offensive we are going to be running). This was always going to be a throw away year anyway...
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This is kinda how I see it.
 
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Using your eyes tells you a oot of whats wrong with this team. Watch them play. They have played good in only 1 game, Auburn. And we had Smith then btw. But for the vast majority of this team, you can tell the glaring differences. I am not going to use the LSU/Bama game, but just look at the Mizzou/UF game. Virtually every player for both teams look bigger, faster and more physical. When you watch our OL and DL what do you see? Guys who cannot execute simple things like shed or hold blocks. Our RBs, do you see them making guys miss very much? No you dont. The WRs have picked up their game. But the TEs? They cannot block either.

I believe one of the major factors with us right now is strength and conditioning. 2016 and 2017 there was almost none of it. The significance of a stable S&C program cannot be overstated. I have said it before, look at the best teams year in and year out. Look at how long they have had their S&C coach. Is it any coincidence that the most physical teams have long tenured S&C coaches? Dont think so. We need some stability in our coaching staff. Especially in the S&C department.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Wasn’t our OL better vs USC than vs Charlotte?
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Yes but you could say the same about Florida defense vs Georgia being much better than vs Mizzou. They played harder and were more motivated. Some of that is true for us as well.

I expect us to be much more motivated for our next game with KY.

Our OL isn't as bad as our last game and it isn't as good as it appeared in the Auburn game.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
When we held the ball and Charlotte defended, yesterday was a stalemate at best in terms of strength and size with a middling cusa team. We had a measly 10 1st downs to their 13 and net run yardage of 20 something yds. They stuffed our run game like they were Alabama's front line.

The soft culture of linemen recruited for spread finesse is a poor fit in CJP's new offense. Everybody knew that changing the culture of softness was bound to be Pruitt's biggest challenge and not yet a year into his tenure, it remains and looms as the biggest going forward.

We armchair coaches speculate on the need to win 2 of the next 3 to get bowl eligible, but I'm not sure the team itself puts a high priority on doing that. For some of them, playing these final 3 out and getting to the offseason and the holiday break may be their preference. From where the sun now sits, I don't see them sniffing a bowl and winning one of the last 3 is more probable.

Therein lies this prevailing culture of softness CJP walked into. It was always going to be tough. The progress to this point seems agonizingly slow. Want to shake things up and possibly generate some excitement heading down the stretch? Try the QB who actually was groomed to play in a pro set offense. The Cats and Mizzou are no doubt going to pin their ears back and pressure Guantanamo, cram us into a short field like Charlotte did so well but with better personnel. Show some flexibility, Pruitt. Don't be stubborn to the point of limiting your options. If Chryst isn't effective and self destructs, you can always return to your #1 QB anytime during the game. What's there to lose? I doubt most of us and certainly not the oddsmakers expect us to win anyway.
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So basically hou’re Saying that CJP should start Chryst next game.
 
#49
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LibertyVolance said:
Sure. We all know where the issues start, but what is the harm in finding out if a more mature QB handles the pressure somewhat better? Maybe he doesn't. But I would hate to think we close out a dismal campaign and never found out. This is beginning to take on an air of stubborn resilience and I don't even like that word anymore.
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I get it. But. I think Pruitt has shown that he is willing to put the best guy they feel will give us the best chance to win. Take the secondary for example. Starting 3 true FR instead of upperclassmen. Shuffling the OL around to find the best unit. Same with other positions. Dont you think that if Chryst was playing better day in and day out, that they would play him?

Now I guess we could have anothe Botch Jones on our hands. You know like a Dobbs/Worley type of situation. But that just doesnt seem likely.
 
#50
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UTwick said:
So basically hou’re Saying that CJP should start Chryst next game.
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No, basically I said a lot more than that. I suggested it might be a good idea to try something different and give him a chance either in a surprise start or in relief if the offense is getting stymied against Kentucky and in need of some kind of something to bring it to life. I'm just another armchair coach throwing some thoughts out for discussion. For all I know, it might not help a thing and Chryst may be totally ineffective. We can all have an opinion on something and this is the place to express it. Unless of course, it's forbidden and I will stop participating.
 
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