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It is coming to fruition. They reported Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson and Florida St were interested in joining. Schools know the SEC is a juggernaut and with the NIL stuff, it’s only going lengthen the gap in recruiting.
 
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volsknx said:
Wont happen for two reasons: One, ACC teams owe too much for a buyout. Two, SEC already has a Florida and Carolina TV market so, those teams have no added value to the SEC.
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They don’t have all the viewers in that area though. I’m pretty sure it’s about eyeballs not geography. That said, I think you have a bunch of silly people out there just putting stuff out there for clicks… again, because it’s about eyeballs and that includes those digital assets. This is a subject that allows publications to safely toy with fiction during a very slow part of the year in order to get viewership, because it’s also about viewership for them.

Regardless, I do hope you are correct. We need the other conferences to be strong. Competition is essential. The idea of a junior NFL that excludes other schools is ludicrous. It will hurt other Universities. Devastate some.
 
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volsknx said:
Wont happen for two reasons: One, ACC teams owe too much for a buyout. Two, SEC already has a Florida and Carolina TV market so, those teams have no added value to the SEC.
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The buyout is steep but that may be the cost of not getting left out.

Of course the markets, however I think with college football the total is greater than the sum of the parts. It’s not as much like professional leagues in this regard. In that respect Florida State and Clemson have value.
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing Clemson and FSU because they are kind of like SEC schools in the ACC but I don't see the SEC expanding anytime soon.

I wish we could go back to Conferences the way they were in 2000 with the original Big East and Big12 and then make a rule of now poaching from any of the power 6. This way, realignment/expansions would be limited to just grabbing G5 programs. CFB was more fun back then.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
They don’t have all the viewers in that area though. I’m pretty sure it’s about eyeballs not geography. That said, I think you have a bunch of silly people out there just putting stuff out there for clicks… again, because it’s about eyeballs and that includes those digital assets. This is a subject that allows publications to safely toy with fiction during a very slow part of the year in order to get viewership, because it’s also about viewership for them.

Regardless, I do hope you are correct. We need the other conferences to be strong. Competition is essential. The idea of a junior NFL that excludes other schools is ludicrous. It will hurt other Universities. Devastate some.
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It’s both
 
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BeardedVol said:
Not enough money in those brands, or TV market share in those geographic regions. Besides, Sankey wants to add to the top of the conference, not to the middle where most of the conference resides at the moment.
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VT does in the DC market, and they own the most fans in VA. In that respect they are more attractive than Clemson. It would be kind of like the B1G adding Maryland
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
There's a bigger picture that people are missing.

This isn't about "conference expansion." This is about the SEC stripping power away from the NCAA. If the SEC has all the marquee teams, then the SEC is its own boss and the NCAA is irrelevant. It's less a "super-conference" and more an NCAA replacement.

In that sense, it won't matter if the SEC takes 30 teams. The "divisions" or "pods" with the SEC simply become the new conferences.
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It’s the Supreme Court who stripped power from the NCAA. The SEC is positioning themselves for the fallout
 
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Here's an interesting article to keep in mind. It's a bit dated but still relevant
The Geography of College Football Fans (and Realignment Chaos)

One outside-the-box target: Virginia Tech. In addition to its natural (and quite avid) fan base in western Virginia, it also has some reach into Washington, D.C. and other relatively populous markets — enough for it to rank 13th in the country with 1.3 million fans.
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Still, the S.E.C.’s average of about 1.1 million fans per team — not counting Texas A&M — sets a slightly lower bar than the Big Ten’s. Clemson (1.8 million fans), Georgia Tech (1.7 million) or Virginia Tech would improve upon it, while Missouri and West Virginia (1.0 million) are aren’t far from the league average and would do more to expand the conference’s geographic footprint.
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The conference’s survival would be in grave danger, of course, if Texas and Oklahoma were to leave as well. And there aren’t very many attractive expansion targets. Brigham Young, ranking 43rd in the country with about 700,000 fans, would be appealing enough from an economic standpoint. But schools like S.M.U., Houston and Rice have very small fan bases — under 200,000 each — in the extremely competitive market for Texas football.
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If the Big 12 were to collapse, Iowa State, Kansas State and Baylor might have trouble latching on elsewhere: their fan bases each rank outside the top 50 nationally.
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DiderotsGhost said:
There's a bigger picture that people are missing.

This isn't about "conference expansion." This is about the SEC stripping power away from the NCAA. If the SEC has all the marquee teams, then the SEC is its own boss and the NCAA is irrelevant. It's less a "super-conference" and more an NCAA replacement.

In that sense, it won't matter if the SEC takes 30 teams. The "divisions" or "pods" with the SEC simply become the new conferences.
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Exactly my thinking - this is less of a play to have the two in the SEC and more of a coordination of all the top power teams to obliterate the NCAA. With all the top teams in SEC, the NCAA is basically irrelevant. SEC then basically becomes the super conference with almost all of the serious TV money and the major teams, while NCAA becomes some sort of jr conference that rules over the minor league schools. Its not a perfect analogy but kind of like in basketball the NCAA tourney vs the NIT - but the selection pools are permanent. Or maybe not - maybe if your team sucks long enough you get punted down to the minor league....but I doubt that happens because its all about money and TV rights.
 
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TV market is outdated when talking about colleges football. You will make more money adding the best teams, than you will pulling a Big 10 and adding Rutgers and Maryland to capture the NY and DC markets.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
There's a bigger picture that people are missing.

This isn't about "conference expansion." This is about the SEC stripping power away from the NCAA. If the SEC has all the marquee teams, then the SEC is its own boss and the NCAA is irrelevant. It's less a "super-conference" and more an NCAA replacement.

In that sense, it won't matter if the SEC takes 30 teams. The "divisions" or "pods" with the SEC simply become the new conferences.
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This is a good argument. That is until you factor in all the other sports in college athletics. I understand football (money) drives the buss, but in this case there are more riders than the buss can hold. To say that the NCAA is irreverent as to it's overall position is naïve as I see it.
 
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VolInDayton said:
TV market is outdated when talking about colleges football. You will make more money adding the best teams, than you will pulling a Big 10 and adding Rutgers and Maryland to capture the NY and DC markets.
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It's a proxy for measuring fanbases. Large TV Market (populous area) x Large Share of Support (% of fans in market) = Large number of fans/eyeball/viewers
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
aTm argued they are a Texas TV market but here comes Texas. As a matter of fact, aTm says they had a "gentleman's agreement" with the SEC that they'd be the only Texas school in the SEC but here comes Texas.

Not that I think Clemson and FSU are coming to the SEC. They're not. This is a "friendly reminder" to Notre Dame that the time has come for them to stop jerking the ACC around and fully commit. Notre Dame has been selfish and has the best of both worlds with a personal NBC TV deal and limited commitment to the ACC for several sports. The ACC needs them in to negotiate a good TV deal or the ACC will get absorbed in the future.

Notre Dame has always been a selfish school and done nothing but look after themselves. That crap can no longer fly in the post-NCAA era.
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Notre Dame committing to a conference actually stands to benefit them in the long run. Maybe not from the TV rights point of view, but competively they don't have to commit to playing USC and Michigan as their main top opponents and hope that those teams are good enough to be quality wins by the end of the season. Commit to the ACC and you're basically competing with Clemson and Miami for conference champs, and a near guaranteed 9-10 wins every year.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Dear god why?...They add nothing to the SEC...Nothing
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Virginia Tech does. They add the Virginia TV market which is huge. I think they would be great fit culturally.

West Virginia doesn’t add eyeballs to justify the addition, but I think geographically they are close enough to have some natural rivalries.
 
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volsknx said:
Wont happen for two reasons: One, ACC teams owe too much for a buyout. Two, SEC already has a Florida and Carolina TV market so, those teams have no added value to the SEC.
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Clemson draws a ton more viewers than South Carolina. People from all over the country tune in to watch Clemson... not so with USCe. The Clemson-Notre Dame game was the highest viewed regular season game of the year last year. Clemson is always in the top 10 most viewed regular season games... South Carolina never makes that list.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I wouldn't mind seeing Clemson and FSU because they are kind of like SEC schools in the ACC but I don't see the SEC expanding anytime soon.

I wish we could go back to Conferences the way they were in 2000 with the original Big East and Big12 and then make a rule of now poaching from any of the power 6. This way, realignment/expansions would be limited to just grabbing G5 programs. CFB was more fun back then.
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lol ive heard that one before.
 
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Geographically
Penn St and West Virginia should be ACC.
Iowa St and Notre Dame should move to the Big Ten changing the name to the new Big 12.
Florida State and Clemson should stay put.
Add future teams to the SEC to include Ok State and Baylor.
I hate all this realignment crapola but what can I do to stop it? Might as well jump in with an opinion
 
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ptgrbn said:
Geographically
Penn St and West Virginia should be ACC.
Iowa St and Notre Dame should move to the Big Ten changing the name to the new Big 12.
Florida State and Clemson should stay put.
Add future teams to the SEC to include Ok State and Baylor.
I hate all this realignment crapola but what can I do to stop it? Might as well jump in with an opinion
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Given the ease and abundance of air travel, I don't think geography is factoring much into expansion decisions.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Virginia Tech does. They add the Virginia TV market which is huge. I think they would be great fit culturally.

West Virginia doesn’t add eyeballs to justify the addition, but I think geographically they are close enough to have some natural rivalries.
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Virginia Tech would get buried in the SEC and have you ever been to Morgantown West "By god" Virginia?....Trust me, You don't want to.
 
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golfballs said:
It's a proxy for measuring fanbases. Large TV Market (populous area) x Large Share of Support (% of fans in market) = Large number of fans/eyeball/viewers
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Big Team + Big team = Game of the week. It gets national coverage throughout the week, college game day, and all the eyeballs for that time slot. With streaming, the world is all the same TV market.
 
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Carp said:
Notre Dame committing to a conference actually stands to benefit them in the long run. Maybe not from the TV rights point of view, but competively they don't have to commit to playing USC and Michigan as their main top opponents and hope that those teams are good enough to be quality wins by the end of the season. Commit to the ACC and you're basically competing with Clemson and Miami for conference champs, and a near guaranteed 9-10 wins every year.
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ND has gotten away with the Gipper crap too long.

Great school and a truly exceptional college experience, I've heard repeatedly from grads, but they need to join this century when it comes to athletics.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Virginia Tech would get buried in the SEC and have you ever been to Morgantown West "By god" Virginia?....Trust me, You don't want to.
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Just meant that a Virginia school is coveted for its TV market . Virginia Tech would be a much better cultural fit than UVA IMO.

I’m not advocating for Wva, just saying it makes sense geographically. Like you said they really don’t add much of anything. Never been Morgantown, not going out of my way to make plans to visit either.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Just meant that a Virginia school is coveted for its TV market . Virginia Tech would be a much better cultural fit than UVA IMO.

I’m not advocating for Wva, just saying it makes sense geographically. Like you said they really don’t add much of anything. Never been Morgantown, not going out of my way to make plans to visit either.
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I don't think that area is as coveted a CFB TV market as you believe....
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