Sick and tired of our delusional academic administration!

[ncvol17]

From several families who have personal experience with this very situation. My kids went to a large high school and we know several families with kids who had this happen only to be welcomed with open arms their sophomore year.

Seems like a 'pick your battles'. if they still wanted to go to UT in year 2, good for them. If they go to ETSU or the like and stay there good for them. Sounds like in your argument, we got great students in both year 1 and year 2. Doesn't sound like they ended up begging at interstate exits for food.

Glad to hear my alma mater is focusing on academics as well as wanting great sports. Maybe they will attain UVA or Michigan status one day.

 

[1967vol]

We should remember that UVA has between 14 and 15 thousand students. Not really a lot of students for a state the size of Virginia. Keep it small and by default it must be selective. It has always carried out Thomas Jefferson's wish that it be an international university. In fact they believe Thomas Jefferson is still alive and well in Charlottesville.:whistling:

 

[bigorangefan26]

We are a state, land grant university for crying out loud! Our administration act like they are running a private or Ivy League college. Wake up people, we are not that!

This administration is so self-absorbed that that they aren't satisfied unless they can continue to report each year that the ACT score of each freshman class is higher than the previous year.

It's pathetic really, they are turning in-state kids away from admission because they want to hand pick those applicants with the highest ACT scores. Are you kidding me?

Give me a break, the administration has delusions of being something they are not. Go back to first and foremost admitting those in-state kids without the elite ACT scores. Go back to allowing this university to co-exist in a healthy relationship with the athletic department. Let's be real, the university needs the athletic department to be successful.

Quit trying to be some sort of elite academic institution and focus on being a state university that excels equally on and off the field.

UT needs to be realistic. But that won't happen anytime soon, so I'm getting out as soon as possible.

 

[rockytop9808]

We should remember that UVA has between 14 and 15 thousand students. Not really a lot of students for a state the size of Virginia. Keep it small and by default it must be selective. It has always carried out Thomas Jefferson's wish that it be an international university. In fact they believe Thomas Jefferson is still alive and well in Charlottesville.:whistling:

Again, what's the problem with being a selective and academically prestigious university?

I'd rather Tennessee be closer to UVa standards than Radford standards.

 

[1967vol]

Again, what's the problem with being a selective and academically prestigious university?

I'd rather Tennessee be closer to UVa standards than Radford standards.

There is nothing wrong with it. But, it would take a change in mission for UTK to try to be more like UVA. LOL, when I was at UTK in the 60s, students at UVA had to wear white shirts and ties to class at that time. Just a totally different school, history and mission.
For example, not until 1970, under the pressure of a pending federal court suit filed by four female high school seniors, did the College of Arts & Sciences accept women freely into first-year classes, making the University of Virginia fully coeducational.
What we are talking about here is UVA Charlottesville. After much hand wringing and gnashing of teeth in Charlottesville, the state of Virginia forced the establishment of UVA at Wise, a second campus that is totally different to UVA Charlottesville, and a location never visited by Thomas Jefferson.:yes:

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

You really need to get your facts straight... our admissions people are denying in-state kids with GPAs in the 3.0-3.5 range with ACT scores between 25 - 30. Why, because they want to hand pick those from out of state that are slightly higher to fit their needs.

I believe the opposite is true on hand picking out of state students. I was an out of state student from FL and definitely wouldn't meet the academic criteria for admissions today and a friend of mine who came with me from FL definitely didn't meet the standards even back then but we brought an extra $10k apiece so of course we were admitted.

 

[1967vol]

I believe the opposite is true on hand picking out of state students. I was an out of state student from FL and definitely wouldn't meet the academic criteria for admissions today and a friend of mine who came with me from FL definitely didn't meet the standards even back then but we brought an extra $10k apiece so of course we were admitted.

Exactly what are you saying? That you bought your admission to UTK with $10K? :lolabove:

 

[jmkvols]

And this relates to football how?

Do you know who controls the Thompson Center?

 

[jc4vols]

And this relates to football how?

Because even football kids Are having a hard Time Quailfing

 

[Doolittle 1720]

Go back and look at how much money came into the university after the '98 championship. Universities run on money. Because of our mediocre football program, people will be donating less to UT overall.
And if you think that those who are dropping their season tickets and donations are going to donate that money to the English department instead, you are absolutely delusional.

 

[Wii60]

I would personally shatter the national championship trophy if it meant one iota of academic gains.

 

[ice]

A degree from a quality university - priceless

Winning a football game - useless

UT should stay with raising academic standards.

Football is just a game.

 

[whobethis16]

Go back and look at how much money came into the university after the '98 championship. Universities run on money. Because of our mediocre football program, people will be donating less to UT overall.
And if you think that those who are dropping their season tickets and donations are going to donate that money to the English department instead, you are absolutely delusional.

This is exactly what's wrong with our country. And people are astonished as to why education in this country is falling behind China.

 

[govols/cc]

This is exactly what's wrong with our country. And people are astonished as to why education in this country is falling behind China.

There's a lot of things wrong with our country. Throwing money at education shouldn't be what fixes it. What good is an education anyway if there's no jobs to be had. I guess those educated Chinese can thank American corporate greed for their jobs.

 

[rockytop9808]

Go back and look at how much money came into the university after the '98 championship. Universities run on money. Because of our mediocre football program, people will be donating less to UT overall.
And if you think that those who are dropping their season tickets and donations are going to donate that money to the English department instead, you are absolutely delusional.

Nice straw man.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Fire butt cheek

 

[whobethis16]

There's a lot of things wrong with our country. Throwing money at education shouldn't be what fixes it. What good is an education anyway if there's no jobs to be had. I guess those educated Chinese can thank American corporate greed for their jobs.

"Shouldn't be"? So, giving our children the same or better opportunity at an education as we had is something that shouldn't happen? Good to know. You're one of those that thinks teachers are overpaid babysitters aren't you?

 

[govols/cc]

"Shouldn't be"? So, giving our children the same or better opportunity at an education as we had is something that shouldn't happen? Good to know. You're one of those that thinks teachers are overpaid babysitters aren't you?

If that's what you took out of what I said you need to go back to school.

 

[volcrazy333]

A degree from a quality university - priceless

Winning a football game - useless

UT should stay with raising academic standards.

Football is just a game.

if you think a degree from the University of Tennessee is more valuable than a degree from the University of Alabama right now, you are delusional. and i am currently pursuing a degree from the University of Tennessee.

i fyou dont think a good football team increases the value of your reputation and your degree you are delusional...

like i said before, the better the FB team, the more marketing you receive, which leads to a larger applicant pool, which leads to a more selective admission process, which leads to higher academic standards, which leads to higher academic ranking.

and none of this mentions the increase in funds a football team can create for the academic department for the university

 

[pimo1]

He's wrong.

Florida and Georgia are the 2nd and 3rd ranked academic schools in the conference. Bama is about 5th, we are around 8th.

Academic rankings and admissions standards are 2 different things. Yes they are rated as better schools but it is easier to get in those schools dunno why thats so hard to understand.

Basically he is saying UT is trying to improve it's ranking by funneling in "better" students instead of offering better academics by for instance better teachers/curriculum. Playing the numbers game.

 

[volcrazy333]

So we should change our name to Tennessee Community College (or maybe Tennuhsee Kumunity Collij) in order to cheapen our standards for very few students.

also it would be easier/cheaper for me to go bama, but i chose UT and they are ranked higher than us. this argument is invalid.

 

[tennfan8472]

Alabama had a net profit last year from athletics of $32M whereas Tennessee's was $14K..wonder why?

 

[DaddyChad]

I'm too lazy to find it again, but whoever said a B student can't get into UT is an idiot.

It's not hard to get into UT. I went to one of the best high schools in the state and worked to comfortably get into a school that I wanted to go to. It wasn't hard.

Many schools in the SEC are rated better institutions than UT and there's no correlation between football performance and academic performance. And to be honest, I'll take academic improvement over the football team any day of the week.

Get over it

Do you honestly think more money rolling into the university hurts academics? When is the last time a 100K payed to watch a kid take a test?

 

[ice]

if you think a degree from the University of Tennessee is more valuable than a degree from the University of Alabama right now, you are delusional. and i am currently pursuing a degree from the University of Tennessee.

i fyou dont think a good football team increases the value of your reputation and your degree you are delusional...

like i said before, the better the FB team, the more marketing you receive, which leads to a larger applicant pool, which leads to a more selective admission process, which leads to higher academic standards, which leads to higher academic ranking.

and none of this mentions the increase in funds a football team can create for the academic department for the university

You are twisting my words.
Football has absolutely nothing to do with academics.
The colleges with the highest academic standards do not care about football, some, the names most have never heard of.
If what you are saying is true, then Yale, Harvard, MIT, and some of the Ivy Ieague schools should have the best football teams.
Your reasoning is seriously flawed and it worries me that you are a student at UT.

ps: There is a high percentage of college football players all across this country that CANNOT read or write.
As far as major public universities go, I don`t think there is much difference in them.

 

[vol66]

Athletics department donates to academics | The Daily Beacon

UT Men’s Athletic Director Mike Hamilton and Women’s Athletic Director Joan Cronan presented a $10.35 million check from UT athletics for the university’s academic programs.
The check, presented during the football game against Western Kentucky University, was given to Interim President Jan Simek, UT-Knoxville Chancellor Jimmy G. Cheek, Provost Susan Martin and Dean of Libraries Barbara Dewey to support the university’s academic endeavors.
In addition to the donation, athletics pledged an extra $1 million per year to academics, providing at least an additional $15 million.

Compared to some schools, the contribution of UT athletics is unheard of: in 2007-2008, the department contributed over $4.5 million in direct cash to support the university. The University of Alabama, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the University of Virginia’s athletic departments made no contributions to their institutions at all. The University of Georgia’s athletic association donated approximately $75,000 in scholarship gifts. Auburn University’s athletic department provided $200,000 for scholarships.
According to UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics, UT athletics receives only $1 million each year in student fees from the university, which goes directly to women’s athletics to fulfill Title IX responsibilities. UT-Chattanooga and UT-Martin both get about $4 million per year. The University of Florida gives its athletics $2.5 million and Virginia Tech’s athletic department received $3.36 million. Auburn got $4.9 million, and Virginia received a staggering $8.7 million. UT is also one of fewer than 10 athletic programs that receive no funding from state subsidies or taxes.

I do realize that this is an old article. It is my understanding based on different articles that the AD has given anywhere from $6 Million every year, to 17.5 Million the year before Hart arrived.

I have no beef with Cheek's goal of being a top 25 institution, and apparently many of those top 25 recieve no funding from the AD.

If the AD can expect no help from admissions or tutoring, then the academic side should expect no finacial help from the AD. As with most things in life, this is not about ACT scores, higher standards or playing by the same set of rules. It's about money.

I don't pretend to know all that is going on behind the scenes, but if we can't attract the best coach because of percieved problems between the AD and the Administration that needs to be addressed.