Should she have been fired?

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YorkVol said:
Some buffoons should be kept around for their entertainment value.

Besides, it is possible many in the school agree with her, wouldn't that make her more effective in her job?
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I can't think of a reason to retain a buffoon in an organization that seeks to make money or be productive in some manner.
 
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YorkVol said:
Really? So, you carry a copy with you? Care to quote where it specifically gives employers this right?
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Do you have access to google? I suggest you educate yourself. Then, come back and tell me where it says employers cannot fire someone for remarks they find detrimental.
 
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#29
Sooner or later you'd think that school employees would figure out to chill it with their Facebook activities.

Or not friend anyone with any connection to the school.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Do you have access to google? I suggest you educate yourself. Then, come back and tell me where it says employers cannot fire someone for remarks they find detrimental.
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I have a copy on my desk, have read it many times and am familiar in what it says. It does not address employer/employee relations anywhere. One could make the argument that the 14th Amendment due process clause would apply for State government employees who are terminated without any sort of hearing. Since she was a State employee, you could argue the state has a requirement to due process in this case.

But, then again, all of this is well outside the point I was trying to make. My point is simply that just because her statement was offensive to some, the more we take away freedom of speech, the more each of our own statements will become suspect. I want to be able say what I want now and into the future. We restrict other peoples rights at the risk of our own.
 
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YorkVol said:
I have a copy on my desk, have read it many times and am familiar in what it says. It does not address employer/employee relations anywhere. One could make the argument that the 14th Amendment due process clause would apply for State government employees who are terminated without any sort of hearing. Since she was a State employee, you could argue the state has a requirement to due process in this case.

But, then again, all of this is well outside the point I was trying to make. My point is simply that just because her statement was offensive to some, the more we take away freedom of speech, the more each of our own statements will become suspect. I want to be able say what I want now and into the future. We restrict other peoples rights at the risk of our own.
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No one is stopping you, or her, from making any sort of comment like this. That doesn't mean you can expect not to face the consequences when you say something stupid. The first amendment protects your right to free speech, not your employment status. Besides, Texas is an at-will employment state, they can fire her for whatever they want as long as it isn't discrimination, whistleblowing, etc. They fired her for reflecting very poorly on her place of employment. The school has a right to not want to be associated with people they find offensive.
 
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#45
Should she be fired? No.

Does her employer reserve the right to fire her for said action? Yes.
 
#46
#46
She should be sterilized and sent to a sweat box

The overreaction in this thread is hilarious.
 
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jguy2 said:
No one is stopping you, or her, from making any sort of comment like this. That doesn't mean you can expect not to face the consequences when you say something stupid. The first amendment protects your right to free speech, not your employment status. Besides, Texas is an at-will employment state, they can fire her for whatever they want as long as it isn't discrimination, whistleblowing, etc. They fired her for reflecting very poorly on her place of employment. The school has a right to not want to be associated with people they find offensive.
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^This

Reminds me of the chick-fil-a fiasco last summer. People were screaming "Free speach" in Dan Cathy's defense. Well he had the right to say whatever he felt but he also opened himself up to the court of public opinion. That's how free speech works.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
^This

Reminds me of the chick-fil-a fiasco last summer. People were screaming "Free speach" in Dan Cathy's defense. Well he had the right to say whatever he felt but he also opened himself up to the court of public opinion. That's how free speech works.
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Court of public opinion vs losing your livelihood? Fact is he was probably the only person in his company who could have said what he said and kept his position. Had an employee said something to cause such a hit to revenue he/she would have been fired. And, I would support the employer's right do do so. I have no issue with an employer tterminating someone due to an obvious disruption at their business. In the case of this racist woman that was not shown to be the case. She was fired simply because she offended people not for any proven or obvious work performance or workplace disruption. That is the part I have trouble with.
 
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