Shooting in El Paso

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GreyWolf1129 said:
Speaking of Chicago. As of today...

- 1642 shooting victims.
- 278 dead.

Of course, that's not a single mass shooting like the ones of this past week. You know, the headline grabbers. That's spread over 7 months. Still...

...it works out to 234 shooting victims per month, and 40 dead per month. 33 and 6 per week. So far. Far beyond an average month in El Paso, or Dayton. And those numbers are going to get bigger, much bigger, over the remaining 5 months of this year.

Funny, outside of ABC7 in Chicago, there doesn't seem to be any outrage over this. Especially from the elected officials in the City of Chicago, the State of Illinois, and those who represent Chicago in both the U.S. House and Senate. Elijah included. Maybe they don't have the same numbers I have.

Or maybe gun deaths only matter if they come in single large numbers at a single event. If you can spread a big number out over 12 months, like your mortgage payment, then it doesn't seem so bad. Ignore the elephant, and just focus on one bite at a time, right?

Unless, of course, you happen to be one of those statistics that gets spread out over those 12 months. But then, dead folks don't vote, so...

And this is just Chicago. Only one of the top 5 murder capitals of the U.S. Anybody want the rest of the raw numbers?

Hint: it only gets worse. Especially for the Democrats that own those capitals.
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THe democrats are quite adept at burying this truth. It won't hurt them in the least. As long as more than 1/day dies there, they are good to go. They don't care.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
THe democrats are quite adept at burying this truth. It won't hurt them in the least. As long as more than 1/day dies there, they are good to go. They don't care.
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You are being intellectually dishonest here. Gang violence is far different then randomly getting killed at a Walmart.
 
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Bjorn_Yesterday said:
Legal immigrants and Mexican nationals were among those shot by the white terrorist. Maybe it will click with Miguel that Trump's language is a threat to his wellbeing.
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If I were a cop Obama’s would’ve been to mine. Hell being white is enough.
 
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volfanhill said:
You are being intellectually dishonest here. Gang violence is far different then randomly getting killed at a Walmart.
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Yes and no. Gang shootings are often random and innocents get caught in the crossfire. People still end up dead. I agree there are differences, but there are also similarities.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Mexico threatens to sue America for failing to protect its citizens against 'act of terrorism' after El Paso mass shooting left 20 dead, including seven Mexican nationals

Mexico wants to sue the United States for failing to protect its citizens after this weekend's mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, which left 20 people dead, including seven Mexican nationals.

Mexico Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard called the shooting 'an act of terrorism' against Mexicans and urged the US government to establish a 'clear and convincing position against hate crimes.'

Mexico threatens to sue the US for failing to protect its citizens after El Paso mass shooting | Daily Mail Online
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Not sure that's a case they want reaching a court if it was even a valid suit.
 
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Mick said:
Maybe a more helpful comparison would be motive and weapon used if comparing Red and Blue states. The motive for the mass shooters are different and Deflecting to Chicago (not you) is not a good comparison especially since the problem is mass shootings.
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Really? No. It is convenient excuse.
 
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Bjorn_Yesterday said:
Legal immigrants and Mexican nationals were among those shot by the white terrorist. Maybe it will click with Miguel that Trump's language is a threat to his wellbeing.
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Except that it’s not. He’s smarter than you and can tell the difference between the MS13 gang members Trump was talking about and other Hispanics (that’s what racist call “brown people”) Your language however is a threat to his well being.
 
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volfanhill said:
You are being intellectually dishonest here. Gang violence is far different then randomly getting killed at a Walmart.
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While your statement is true on it's own, the fact is that the leftist politocos are using the random events to make hay toward their bigger goal which is populace disarmament. At this point in time, they don't GAS about gang violence becuse they know there is nothing they can do about it. IF THEY and you are being intellectually honest about that, they know they will never be able to do anything about it. They are going after the low hanging fruit which are the docile law abiding populace. When emotions are high (as they are now) it is easier. Who was it that said "Never let a good crisis go to waste"?

What I find really interesting is how upset people get when there is mass death. Random or not. People get upset by plane crashes, but accept car crash deaths. Why is that? People get upset by random mass shootings, but accept gang violence deaths in any major city.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You are so out of touch with reality.
Miguel is a legal immigrant who has become a US citizen. He loves Trump and thinks that all immigrants should do as he did.

But I’ll tell him tomorrow how you think I don’t give a **** about him. He needs a good laugh.


Shalom y’all
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Any legal immigrant I've spoken to is against open borders. Allowing unrestricted immigration diminishes what they've done, doing it the right way.
 
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DynaLo said:
I personally never considered him a societal threat, just a blowhard azzhole that ran his mouth to much. I am making a point about potential abuse of red flag laws because...

IF, I'd have been of a vindictive mindset, I could have absolutely roasted him as a potential threat under red flag laws and provided law enforcement with enough evidence and witnesses to truthfully back it up so thoroughly that he'd have a hard time buying a plastic pellet gun.

If red flag laws become national the potential for abuse of those laws exists when anybody can report another person. It becomes a case of be careful of what you say and who you say it around. Don't have any known weekend vices that could possibly come back and bite you. Don't have a temper or be prone to impatience outbursts and display it around others.

Even if judicially the evidence presented isn't enough to restrict ownership, those accused have dealt with confiscation, courts, likely mental health professionals, blemished reputation, possible job loss and who knows what associated costs.
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There are going to be more cases where this works than not in my opinion. The Dayton shooter would have been red flagged for sure. This wouldn’t enter the public sphere and false accusations would be punishable under current laws.

If you do this, fix background checks, and address mental health you could save a lot of lives. Obviously the problem will continue.

I think it smarter to engage in moderate solutions than to leave these issues unaddressed until more partisan views control the debate.
 
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Mick said:
How do they feel about mass shootings targeting them?
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Haven't spoken to them but I'm sure they are horrified when any person or group of persons get murdered. I can't speak for them but based on knowing them, they'd probably realize that there are bad people that do bad things for crazy reasons and they would most likely place the blame at the appropriate place. Not on guns, not on the president, not on law abiding gun owners, but squarely at the feet of the POS that pulled the trigger like most logical thinking individuals.
 
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Rifleman said:
There are going to be more cases where this works than not in my opinion. The Dayton shooter would have been red flagged for sure. This wouldn’t enter the public sphere and false accusations would be punishable under current laws.

If you do this, fix background checks, and address mental health you could save a lot of lives. Obviously the problem will continue.

I think it smarter to engage in moderate solutions than to leave these issues unaddressed until more partisan views control the debate.
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Obviously the Dayton shooter falls into what we think should be considered Red Flag territory based on his kill and rape lists in high school. The Issue I have with trying to figure out who would potentially end up on the list. Some random guy gets into an argument with his Ex and she calls the cops and says he threated to kill her even though he didn't. Does that guy fall into a red flag category with out due process? Point I'm making is it will get abused somewhere along the way and turn into something totally different than its initial use.
 
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If this mall wasn't a gun free zone this guy wouldn't have got but a few shots off especially in TX.


The only time I feel unsafe is at my local watering hole. I do sit next to some back exit doors with my truck just outside that has my weapon locked in it.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
If this mall wasn't a gun free zone this guy wouldn't have got but a few shots off especially in TX.


The only time I feel unsafe is at my local watering hole. I do sit next to some back exit doors with my truck just outside that has my weapon locked in it.
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You're the first person I've seen admit to leaving their CCW in a vehicle because of a sign on the establishment door.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Haven't spoken to them but I'm sure they are horrified when any person or group of persons get murdered. I can't speak for them but based on knowing them, they'd probably realize that there are bad people that do bad things for crazy reasons and they would most likely place the blame at the appropriate place. Not on guns, not on the president, not on law abiding gun owners, but squarely at the feet of the POS that pulled the trigger like most logical thinking individuals.
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But you are speaking for them. Call them up and ask.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
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Except that it’s not. He’s smarter than you and can tell the difference between the MS13 gang members Trump was talking about and other Hispanics (that’s what racist call “brown people”) Your language however is a threat to his well being.
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The shooter couldn't be bothered to make that distinction. Neither can any of the white nationalists. They just like the fact that they finally have a President who is speaking their language.

You tell Miguel that "brown people" is in reference to the wide variety of non-whites that Trump doesn't want in our country - the family of the Muslim KIA soldier, the four American congresswomen who disagreed with him on policy, the Hispanic immigrant strawman enemy he created to bring out the white fear vote - and to help rationalize the nuking of asylum seeking families at the border.

If he's still upset, then he, like you, has a hard time with the big picture.

Also, I thought you gave me the last word?
 
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