Shoop gives props to Colton Jumper

[TNnative]

We have a winner!!! This is the entire point....move Barnet inside against a guard and bring pressure from outside on Barnett's side to prevent double-teams on Barnett...

Could play Kongbo at end, Barnett on same side over the guard and bring a blitzer on that side....similar to Bear's 46 Defense...and have some Zone blitz packages with Barnett backing up to take away the slant...

With Vereen and McKenzie/Tuttle on other side....to draw the double team from the Center.....that is a nightmare matchup--even for Bama....

:salute:

Moving players around might have a strategic value. The key to it working is all these players understanding multiple assignments and being able to perform at a high level in less familiar spots.

Like Green Bay moving Matthews inside. It worked well as long as the outside backers held up their spot. But when they didn't? It got messy.

If that works, Stripling will deserve a huge raise.

 

[Biopsyman]

Check cleared

Nothing funnier than a bounced check

 

[Skullbone]

I think Jumper is one of those kind of guys who does everything right in practice.

 

[Biopsyman]

I think Jumper is one of those kind of guys who does everything right in practice.

And make read Dooley notes on shower hygenie

 

[UNAVol89]

I think Jumper is one of those kind of guys who does everything right in practice.

Unfortunately he was pretty awful on the field during games.

 

[Skullbone]

Unfortunately he was pretty awful on the field during games.

Well, duh. I didn't think I had to mention that part. Some guys practice better than they play. It's a phenomenon. I think this may be that. But who knows, maybe Jumper can vindicate himself at some point in the season as a backup.

 

[loggervol]

Instead of putting a title on your threads. Fingers, you should just put the orange pages.

 

[SteelerVol]

of course he has to give him props. His dad is a huge donor to UT

A coach like Shoop doesn't praise players to make friends.

 

[SteelerVol]

Unfortunately he was pretty awful on the field during games.

The fact that he got to play as much as he did is pretty f-in impressive. That shiz don't happen too often in the SEC.

 

[Remy]

I sincerely hope Jumper is the next Hacksaw Reynolds, but I still have vision of Oklahoma last year! Yikes! hmy:




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This where my head is as well. I want young Jumper to be great. I respect Shoop and if he's good with Jumper I am. I suspect Shoop has experience working with a lot of Jumper types the past few years and can get solid production out of them so I'm good. But watching his play during OU, wow, it was a not ready for big time football debut. Happy if he can overcome it.

 

[Dougie_D]

Obviously I’m no coach...

But I think moving Barnett away from DE is such a bad move. Having him and Kongbo on the edge with Mckenzie and Tuttle as big bodies in the middle, is an ideal D-Line.

Just my opinion though :loco:

I think he'll stay on the outside, but most likely he's just getting reps because I'm sure Shoop has a couple of packages with him inside to confuse offenses.

 

[Remy]

Barnett being a solid first round NFL pick as a DE does not bode well if we get a genius suddenly moving him inside most of his final year on The Hill. I surely can see packages where his being inside will occur for our benefit but Barnett will primarily be outside or I at least hope that remains the case. As to being Shoops enforcer, I can totally see that, and I think there's a not so veiled message being sent to particular players and programs that need to feel it up close and personal what that will come to mean.

 

[LWSVOL]

I think Jumper is one of those kind of guys who does everything right in practice.

Last August he was competing against a bunch of kids who were doing a lot of things wrong. So many that staff could not use them much to start the year. It took a few games and many practices for Kirkland to catch up with Jumper, still he was making more mistakes. A year's experience at this level will do wonders for him.

If Shoop believes Jumper is far and away # 2 then he is still far ahead of those behind him... doesn't mean athletically he is much better then those but from a coaches standpoint he is much less risk then the others.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So wait a minute. Jumper, a guy who most on here said should never play another down, is getting some praise by the new DC. Now all of a sudden he is getting some praise. Gotta love VN sometimes.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Obviously I’m no coach...

But I think moving Barnett away from DE is such a bad move. Having him and Kongbo on the edge with Mckenzie and Tuttle as big bodies in the middle, is an ideal D-Line.

Just my opinion though :loco:

Depends on the situation, IMO. For pass rushing situations, why not move him inside to a 3 technique occasionally? He could be a mismatch in for an OG with slow feet and that can give some of our DTs (who honestly, haven't shown much pass rushing prowess) a breather for later in the game when we need them to stop the run.

On 3rd and 1 when the opposing team is in I formation, yeah, I want Barnett defending the edge.

 

[Kristy*]

I think Jumper is one of those kind of guys who does everything right in practice.

This is me as well. He didn't have the instincts last year, and that part is something that a player either has or doesn't usually. He may go through the drills well, but I wonder if he's improved enough in real-game situations.

 

[MikeVol44]

Moving players around might have a strategic value. The key to it working is all these players understanding multiple assignments and being able to perform at a high level in less familiar spots.

Like Green Bay moving Matthews inside. It worked well as long as the outside backers held up their spot. But when they didn't? It got messy.

If that works, Stripling will deserve a huge raise.

Or--it could be as simple as standing guys up and moving them around pre-snap like Chavis did against Fla when he instituted the prowler.....

It's not complicated on the DL in obvious passing situations to have Barnett move down over the guard and Kongbo on his side as DE to get a favorable match-up with Barnett on a OG...

Packages and Personnel for situations.....pretty simple stuff for the front-4...esp. on 2nd or 3rd and long....that was the success of the Bears' 46 D.....you got less than 2.5 seconds to throw the ball....before you die!

 

[LWSVOL]

This is me as well. He didn't have the instincts last year, and that part is something that a player either has or doesn't usually. He may go through the drills well, but I wonder if he's improved enough in real-game situations.

He might not have improved at all but is just a lot better than # 3 or # 4 behind him. Likely no one is playing much if Kirkland remains healthy. and according to Shoop he is much better than 3 and 4 at the position.

Lot of kids have had to go on the field that are not ever going to be SEC level but they are the best the staff has to put out there.

 

[walkenvol]

Depends on the situation, IMO. For pass rushing situations, why not move him inside to a 3 technique occasionally? He could be a mismatch in for an OG with slow feet and that can give some of our DTs (who honestly, haven't shown much pass rushing prowess) a breather for later in the game when we need them to stop the run.

On 3rd and 1 when the opposing team is in I formation, yeah, I want Barnett defending the edge.

I don't understand this line of thought. Barnett's strength is his combination of speed/strength that allows him to beat the OT's outside shoulder. Barnett's not a pure speed rusher from the edge, but when he gets an advantage on the OT's outside shoulder he has the power to drive on around him to attack the QB.

IF moved to DT, Barnett would lose the space to beat the edge of the pocket like he does at DE so well. From my perspective, we'd be taking an outstanding DE and making a slightly above average DT (much like when they moved Lenard Little from DE to MLB). Barnett doesn't have the mass to be a pure bull rusher on an OG. He could shoot the gaps possibly or stunt, but IMO his skill set translates much better to DE. JMO, TIFWIW, BLM, MAGA, AARP

 

[VFL-82-JP]

This is me as well. He didn't have the instincts last year, and that part is something that a player either has or doesn't usually. He may go through the drills well, but I wonder if he's improved enough in real-game situations.

In the early games last year, the ones he started, Colton looked like a deer in the headlights. Completely overwhelmed with the complexity (and speed) of the game around him. And so he got out of position. And let himself be pinned in blocks. And interfered with receivers when he got caught behind.

In short, he looked inexperienced, more than outclassed.

Inexperience can be fixed.

Maybe Jumper is looking like a solid #2 behind Kirkland this fall because he is a lot smarter about the game, the program, the packages, and his role in them, than he was last fall.

Fact is, he played a significant amount in the latter half of the 2015 season, after dropping to the 2-deep position behind Darrin. He just didn't make nearly as many mistakes, and so we didn't notice him as much. That itself is a sign that his inexperience was in the process of being solved.

I was right there with everyone else, cringing at Colton's early 2015 performances. But I'm not gonna think myself smarter than our coaches. If they say he's a solid #2 at the spot, I believe them. And am really happy for the young man.

Go Vols!

 

[butchna]

"Solid #2".

 

[VFL-82-JP]

"Solid #2".

Potty mouth.

 

[Biopsyman]

"Solid #2".

A daily goal

 

[sechamp2012]

In the early games last year, the ones he started, Colton looked like a deer in the headlights. Completely overwhelmed with the complexity (and speed) of the game around him. And so he got out of position. And let himself be pinned in blocks. And interfered with receivers when he got caught behind.

In short, he looked inexperienced, more than outclassed.

Inexperience can be fixed.

Maybe Jumper is looking like a solid #2 behind Kirkland this fall because he is a lot smarter about the game, the program, the packages, and his role in them, than he was last fall.

Fact is, he played a significant amount in the latter half of the 2015 season, after dropping to the 2-deep position behind Darrin. He just didn't make nearly as many mistakes, and so we didn't notice him as much. That itself is a sign that his inexperience was in the process of being solved.

I was right there with everyone else, cringing at Colton's early 2015 performances. But I'm not gonna think myself smarter than our coaches. If they say he's a solid #2 at the spot, I believe them. And am really happy for the young man.

Go Vols!

What a lot fail to mention was Kirkland was out of position and over running plays early but he corrected that as the season went on. Yes Jumper was out of position some but was where he supposed to be most of time he just failed to make some plays and he got some PI's called against him that hurt the team badly.
If we would have started with a easier schedule that progressively got harder I think Kirkland would have started from day 1even though he was a Freshman.

 

[Kristy*]

In the early games last year, the ones he started, Colton looked like a deer in the headlights. Completely overwhelmed with the complexity (and speed) of the game around him. And so he got out of position. And let himself be pinned in blocks. And interfered with receivers when he got caught behind.

In short, he looked inexperienced, more than outclassed.

Inexperience can be fixed.

Maybe Jumper is looking like a solid #2 behind Kirkland this fall because he is a lot smarter about the game, the program, the packages, and his role in them, than he was last fall.

Fact is, he played a significant amount in the latter half of the 2015 season, after dropping to the 2-deep position behind Darrin. He just didn't make nearly as many mistakes, and so we didn't notice him as much. That itself is a sign that his inexperience was in the process of being solved.

I was right there with everyone else, cringing at Colton's early 2015 performances. But I'm not gonna think myself smarter than our coaches. If they say he's a solid #2 at the spot, I believe them. And am really happy for the young man.

Go Vols!

We'll see. Shoop didn't say he was a solid #2 but rather that he was starting to separate himself, this after 2 practices. Obviously, players can improve, and I'm not implying in any way that he can't. But I would have to see it to believe it. And frankly, I'm kinda hoping to see some of the other guys get some live reps, because we don't have a lot of proven MLB depth. All just my perspective.